Strange how spiders didn't starve out during the milleniums it took to evolve silk and web weaving skills, right Mr darwin?

chicken or the egg?

darwin is long dead dude.

but while you are at it, why is only a small fraction of one percent of known species still alive today, and the rest extinct?

that would mean gods creations aren't very successful , if creationism is at play.

Good thing for the chicken species they learned how to design and construct eggs in the first ones life span or they would be extinct after the the first failure. They're so much more scientific minded than they appear, scratching around in the dirt all day.

If you believe in evolution, you can't possibly believe anything is extinct as long as one creature remains alive.

'Cause stuff like this don't combo well I think;

The spiders probably evolved from a land based creature that left a sticky residue behind it. Creatures became slowed by it, the creature was able to eat more and succeed. As the eons passed it became more and more refined in its tactics. It would start leaving a strand between branches to catch flying insects. It would go into a hole and sticky up the floor and wait. Eventually they succeeded more than the creatures around them. They were able to eat, reproduce, and out compete their surrounding competition. A geological era later we have spiders. And a billion other things that grew, survived, and specialized.

face it, we evolved from animals on earth. We have a long ancient history of survival and we dont need the bible god because we all have the god force

You are correct. This proves Gods existence, as it is the only logical explanation.

However, God needs faith to exist.

Proof denies faith.

And you just killed God with that bit of logic.

Congratulations. You anti-God shill.

So why did this thread get one starred? Only one person commented somewhat intelligently.

No one knows, but we all get to find out.

So.... uhhh... doesn't that sound just a little vague, can you be a bit more exacting in explaining this? Especially the part about developing the silk and spinning device. I seemed to have skipped over the 'eons' part. That sounded more like time than intelligence.

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it really doesnt matter though does it?


It doesnt make any difference to go with the whole genesis thing, OR evolution, if its seven days or seven billion, ultimatley makes zero difference.


We are here all the same. Get used to it.

There are miracles, or there are no miracles, pick one and go with it.

If its possible for there to be a single miracle. Then everything must also be a miracle, it has to be that way.

OR...there is no such thing as a miracle and we are doomed to die of "whatever" and rot in the ground.

I know which one I have chosen.


And really, the "choice" is yours. Its up to you.

When you start posting "creativity vs evolution" type threads here, you are setting yourself up for the one true conclusion that (deep down) you knew would come to in the end anyway.

What I like to do now and then is to surf around the space sites on the net, and view the AWESOME space photos. There is all the "evidence" I need. There is no way all THAT came from a single "spark" where according to science, there was nothing and then it blew up?

The choice is yours......................

In Darwin's time, they thought flies could spontaneously generate from cow pies. Kind of gives you an idea of the scientific foundation for evolution. It's a fairy tale.

I think it was all supposed to be more of an Eden thing, like this only different;

You friggin dumbass. Why do you waste your time attempting to refute evolution when you don't even understand the most basic and fundamental aspects of it?

Quite honestly, your pet god jehovah is no doubt the most absurd and asinine character ever invented by ignorant bronze age zealots.

Instead of evolution, we are supposed to believe that some almighty being spends his time "poofing" everything into existence. If that were the case, he sure is doing a lousy job of it! He poofs creatures into existence that need to kill and eat other creatures to survive, all his creatures die of old age and disease, most of them die brutal painful deaths, he created parasites to infest, infect, or torment his otherwise noble creatures. He allegedly can do anything according to you, but he is unable to create life forms that don't need to kill to survive, or that can live directly off of the sun's energy, or that are immortal. --- Have you ever stopped to really think about what a feckless asshole your god jehovah character must be?

And not only that, your so called 'almighty god jehovah' needs to be worshiped. Hmmm... doesn't sound very 'almighty' to me, sounds more like he has an insecurity problem in addition to his incredibly sloppy and careless creative abilities.

The concept of an almighty god is so absurd and asinine that your suggestion that evolution doesn't make sense is a patently ludicrous accusation!

Oh, and don't forget to count your time, you self serving narcissistic looney.

I think one thing the anti-evolutionists don't understand is the immense scale of time involved. It's equal to the sheer size of our enviroment. We can't observe with our most powerful instruments an edge to the universe.

Anti-evolutionist, can you not see the similarities between a dinosaur and a bird?

I don't know maybe they just did what today's non-web weaving spiders do, and hunt?
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you know there are spiders that hunt without webs?

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Oooh I get it now... an ENTIRE UNIVERSE can poof into existence from nothing... but a little spider... nah, not possible. No God there.

So make-believe explanations are superior to complicated ones or, god forbid, an incomplete explanation? Would you rather know that there are things that are yet to discover or just make up a cheat code for reality at the beginning? The arrogance with which you wield your magical belief pretty much answers my question...

simple answer to the threads question was "they hunted their prey", argument is now null and void.

many spiders line the silk to walls of their dwelling to improve insulation and structural integrity, and hunt without web spinning, a jumping spider uses one piece as a safety line to pounce on its prey from any angle, as well as a funnel spider lining his web only at his door step, which seems to just be a more advanced method than the one used by trap door spiders, my hypothesis is that your simply overlooking the fact that ancestors to modern spiders were most likely much larger and not relying on web spinning and the fact you would use this to attempt to deny evolution is extremely entertaining.

Science is just as "magical" when it comes to explaining the origins of the universe. Face the facts, both religion and science boil down to faith at a certain point.

Either you have faith that the Bible is correct and God created the universe or you have faith that an entire universe, for no good reason, popped into existence out of a literal nothing, resulting in a billion of coincidences of PERFECT alignment that allow complex life to exist and flourish here on Earth, an the explanation given by people that can barely reach the bottom of the ocean on their own planet let alone speculate what came before the "big bang". Deny it all you want, there's faith on both sides.

WOW THIS DARWIN GUY IS SO WRONG, BECAUSE I SAID SO.



NOW LISTEN TO ME READ "TRUTH" OUT OF THIS BOOK WHICH WAS RE-TRANSLATED/EDITED/USED TO ENSLAVE MANKIND.

Or: option c) EVERY OTHER POTENTIAL OPTION


Meaning, we don't know.


stupid dualistic view of "its jesus or darwin" What would I do if my mind was so restricted.

ScienceDaily (Dec. 31, 2008) —New interpretations of fossils have revealed an ancient missing link between today’s spiders and their long-extinct ancestors. The research by scientists at the University of Kansas and Virginia’s Hampden-Sydney College may help explain how spiders came to weave webs.

The research focuses on fossil animals called Attercopus fimbriunguis. While modern spiders make silk threads with modified appendages called spinnerets, the fossil animals wove broad sheets of silk from spigots on plates attached to the underside of their bodies. Unlike spiders, they had long tails.

The research findings by Paul Selden, the Gulf-Hedberg Distinguished Professor of Invertebrate Paleontology in the Department of Geology at KU, and William Shear, the Trinkle Professor of Biology at Hampden-Sydney College, were published this week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
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wolf spider, crab spider, fishing spider, jumping spi.....did you even research before you posted this bs?????????
does god even condone research anymore?

Evolution does not rule out God it never did, science can still not rule out God and it never will.
Even if they find the "God" particle, it will not rule out a divine source for the creation of the universe.
The big Bang?
Yeah, maybe Gods hobby is making universes collide and go bang on a Sunday afternoon......