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Bush - Constitution "Just A Goddamned Piece Of Paper"

 
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The Government Men
In Masks Who Terrorize Iraq

By Dahr Jamail and Harb al-Mukhtar
Inter Press Service
12-10-5


BAGHDAD -- After the US forces and the bombings, Iraqis are coming to fear those bands of men in masks who seem to operate with the Iraqi police.

Omar Ahmed's family learnt what it can mean to run into the police, their supposed protectors. Omar was driving with two friends in the Adhamiya district of Baghdad at night on September 1 when they were stopped at a police checkpoint.

"The three of them were arrested by the police even though there was nothing in the car," an eyewitness told Inter Press Service, speaking on condition of anonymity. They did not return home for days, and the family began to search the morgues, common practice now when someone is arrested by the Iraqi police and does not return.

"Five days after they were arrested we found Omar's body in the freezer in a morgue, with holes in the side of his head and shoulders," a friend of the family said. "We don't know if the other two men are dead or alive. But we know these men were guilty of nothing other than driving their car at night. We have no security and the problem is that police are killing and disappearing the Iraqi people every day now."

The "death squads" as they have come to be called are getting more active with just a week to go before the December 15 election.

On Tuesday this week Iraqi police said they found 20 bodies dumped at two different locations in western Iraq, according to the al-Sharqiyah television network. Eleven bodies of men wearing civilian clothes were found dumped on the main road between Baghdad and the Jordanian border. The bodies were found near al-Rutbah city, with their hands tied behind their backs. Nine bodies, also of civilians and riddled with bullets, were found on the side of a road near Fallujah on Monday.

Signs are emerging that such killing is the work of death squads operating with the Iran-backed Shi'ite forces that dominate the government, and therefore the police.

Omar, a 39-year-old unemployed engineer who now sells petrol and cigarettes on the black market says he survived one such Shi'ite squad. "I was sleeping on the roof of my house one night because it was so hot and we had no electricity as usual," Omar said. "I was awakened by a loud explosion nearby, and immediately surrounded by strange men wearing night-vision goggles."

Omar says he was thrown to the ground by the men, handcuffed and blindfolded. "They started to beat me using the end of their guns," he said. "Then they searched my house, took my gun which I told them I had, then they took me away." His 32-year-old wife Sumia, a teacher, was also handcuffed and taken away.

Omar says he saw about 10 pick-up trucks carrying at least 100 men wearing black masks before a bag was placed over his head. He was taken to the back of a truck, and beaten up until he fainted.

Sumia was beaten up too. "I received so many kicks to my stomach," she said. "I heard screaming in pain, so I fought until they handcuffed me and beat me until I couldn't do anything else."

The two were taken to the Iraqi police station in Suleakh, Baghdad, where they were interrogated and accused of owning a mortar. "I explained to them that I don't know anything about mortars," said Omar. "And that I have never had anything to do with the resistance, but they said so many insulting words to me, and beat me further."

Sumia, who was also interrogated, pleaded with the policemen to let them return home to care for their young children. "They would not give me a headscarf to cover my head," she said. "They kept asking me about mortars and wouldn't let me go to look after my children. We know nothing about any mortars."

Omar said the next morning he was moved into another room where he saw men lying handcuffed, with their heads covered with sacks. "They were lying on the ground without a blanket or pillow." In a while, he saw 14 men wearing black masks enter the room carrying whips. "I watched them beat the prisoners. They told them this was their breakfast."

Omar and Sumia were later taken home, and warned that if security forces were attacked in their neighbourhood, they would be detained again.

Omar said the men who detained him and his wife were members of the Shi'ite Badr Organization, a militia affiliated with Abdel Aziz al-Hakim, leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq. Tensions in Baghdad run high, as people who live in areas not controlled by the Badr Army face daily threats of being kidnapped or killed by members of the militia.

"The Badr Organization is conducting a campaign to destroy other political parties and their electoral advertisements," said Saleh Hassir, a doctor at a Baghdad medical center. "We see black paint and tears on ex-prime minister Allawi's posters and those of the Sunni groups, but pictures of al-Hakim remain unaffected."

The doctor says the Americans have helped bring in new Iran-backed terror.

"So many of us are against Iraq being controlled by these fundamental Islamic Iranian loyalists like al-Hakim," the doctor said. "Now we are seeing the suffering and ultimate dictatorship they have brought us here with the help of the Americans."

Isam Rashid contributed to this article.


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Bush is shredding our Constitution and Bill of Rights and doing all he can to replace it with his TREASONOUS 'Patriot Acts'. WHAT about this do you not get?


Today his targets are people who look like Middle Easterners as that unfortunate chap that was gunned down on a US runway. When Bush is bored with them or needs more carnage in order to force his schemes upon us, YOU, WHITE people will be next. The wannabe little fucktard nazi is already slavering over the propects...



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Torture And
White Phosphorus


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"The captured terrorists of the 21st century do not fit easily into traditional systems of criminal or military justice, which were designed for different needs. We have to adapt."
-- Condoleezza Rice


I've previously charged Condoleezza Rice with having an appalling ignorance of history. I don't mean the kind of knowledge - dates of battles, names and terms of treaties, etc. - that earns a good grade on an exam. We know Condoleezza got good grades in school. No, I mean a deeper understanding of the economic, social, and moral forces of history and of the irrepressible role of truth despite the countless attempts to silence it.

Guerilla warfare, terrorism, and fanatical causes are not new to the 21st century, they are as old as human society, and governments have had many ways of dealing with them. This goes so far as governments changing around those regarded as terrorists and heroes, according to the needs of the time, much the way victors in a war define who were the good guys and bad guys.

One thing history surely does tell us is that nothing is more dangerous than Condeleezza's tendency to speak in sweeping, virtually meaningless generalizations about the people she regards as foes. Every war of aggression, every wave of state terror, every deadly fanatical cause has used just such terms. People are described with de-humanized slogans, making them easy to hate and abuse. We should all go on a personal terror alert when powerful figures talk this way.

The assertion of a special case or status in the current situation is utterly dishonest. It is more than dishonest: it is a deliberately constructed logical fallacy calculated to elicit the idea of special measures from listeners. It is America's special measures that Condoleezza went to Europe to defend.
The special measures of concern are secret prison camps and torture. Condoleezza's basic approach at the start of her trip was to assert that the United States doesn't do anything nasty or underhanded while at the same time just telling everyone to mind their own business. That didn't get her very far, and she had to adjust her words in the face of incredulity, frustration, and anger.

Then Condoleezza demonstrated a remarkable ability to turn around American policy or at least to seem to be doing so. In one day, she went from firmly stating that Americans abroad were exempt from certain international commitments of the United States in treating prisoners to saying they were bound. European leaders were publicly contented with what seemed a concession, but the truth is they were just not prepared to stand up to threats Condoleezza whispered in their ears.

"The United States has not transported anyone and will not transport anyone to a country where we believe he will be tortured. Where appropriate, the United States seeks assurances that transferred persons will not be tortured." Condoleezza Rice

I wonder then what could have been happening then when a German citizen was kidnapped in Macedonia about two years ago, drugged, flown to Afghanistan, kept for five months, tortured, and finally left abandoned in some bleak place in Bosnia when his American Gestapo captors apparently learned they had made a mistake?

I wonder what was going on when a Canadian citizen whose plane made a stopover in the U.S. was removed, imprisoned, and denied his rights? He happened to be a dual citizen with the country of his birth, Syria, so instead of sending him where his wife, children, and home were in Canada and where he repeatedly asked to be returned, he was deported to Syria for a year of (totally predictable) brutal imprisonment and torture.

There are many such cases known, and they must be regarded as more than administrative glitches. What are all those mysterious places in Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Romania, Poland, and as far away as Diego Garcia, now run by American crew-cut thugs and to which there is no access? What are all the many hundreds of flights recorded by dedicated amateur plane spotters and checked back to registration? Are we to believe the US is not running a huge, illegal secret prison and torture system?

How could such an enterprise possibly conform to international agreements and treaties? Are there really thousands of people looking for free trips in shackles to nowhere courtesy of the CIA? Thousands ready to give up all rights and years of their lives voluntarily to satisfy the urges of American paranoia? Of course not, to ask the question is to know the answer.

I don't want to quibble about the meaning of torture. The CIA term "enhanced interrogation technique" is straight out of the horrors described in Orwell's Politics and the English Language. If, as one wag put it, it isn't torture, then why not use it on Cheney in getting to root of current scandals in Washington? Of course, it's torture.

So simple a thing as deprivation of sleep can reduce a healthy human being to delusions in a short time. One of Israel's favorite tortures has been to keep captives' heads in a large hood, shaking them vigorously while their heads bob and bounce around inside the hood, making them dizzy and anxious, perhaps feeling their necks might be snapped. Sounds like no big deal compared to pulling out finger nails? Try it on your kids for a week or two. The CIA is known to use "waterboarding," submerging a victim strapped to a board in just enough water to cause him to gulp, gurgle and gasp, panicking him into thinking he is being drown, over and over.

Nothing, I repeat nothing, the United States thinks it is protecting itself from is worth this descent into moral hell.

"The United States will use every lawful weapon to defeat terrorists" Condoleezza Rice

That statement is a platitude, useful only to stir blood at a Fourth of July speech in Muncie, Indiana. It tells us nothing. It is inherently evasive because the lawfulness of tactics being used is the very issue in question.

We all recall with a frown or a grimace Bill Clinton's playing with truth when he testified, "It depends on what you mean by the word is"? Although his statement concerned a relatively trivial matter, it is actually representative of something far greater and more sinister that has grown to become an integral part of American political culture. American politicians and their creatures like Condoleezza simply have become expert in the art of giving an interview or a speech and avoiding saying almost anything meaningful. Artful lying, subtle avoidance, and giving an answer different than the question asked have become a basic set of political job skills.

Members of the American government, more and more, resemble those sleazy well-prepared witnesses on the stand who just can't recall point after point or a cheap lawyers who rephrases a statement to a similar-sounding one and assure you, yes you have his word on that.

The string of lies and misrepresentations leading up to the invasion of Iraq alone are enough, in the words of Charles Laughton in Witness for the Prosecution, "to make the Testament leap from her [the witness's] hand."

Only recently, after a year of denials about using napalm at Fallujah, despite the words of witnesses and the charred bodies of victims, we learn that white phosphorus was used. Indeed, Marines are trained to use white phosphorus to drive people out to places where they can shoot them, only the people are supposed to be soldiers, not civilians. Now, I am not sure people whose flesh is roasted to bubbling globs care whether the Marines used napalm or white phosphorus doing it.

But on such fine distinctions and guarded answers stands the word of the United States today. "No, Sir, I don't understand how those good folks got roasted, but I can assure you we did not use napalm." So when Condoleezza asserts, as she did a while back on a trip to Canada, that "the word of the United States is as good as gold," you just have to smile bitterly.



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Is the United States Secret Service protecting the Nation and the Office of the President or the Puppet that holds this position.

Make you choice soon SIR much depend on your decision.
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You alone as a USSS agent will have to bear this burden
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I notice the discussion has strayed from a discussion of Bush's statement.

If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us." -- George HW Bush
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DEATH BY plastic bullet by

[red] US AIR MARSHAL[/red]

So he said screw the constitution or was it I've got a BOMB¿
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the democrats in power always target 'americans' as terrorists

you don't want to see a democrat in charge of homeland insecurity
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"Death to America" seems always to have many like-minded here...
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I read the blurb from "Average Black Guy", and due to his poor spelling, poor grammar, and obvious hatred of white people, he certainly lives up to his name.

This presupposes, of course, an IQ of about 85.

See the book "The Bell Curve".

As for the supposed Bush comment about the constitution, I'm sure it never happened, but liberals never let facts get in the way of a shrill diatribe, now do they?
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most people here want America to live, under the same constitution with which it was founded

those who nullify the constitution are the real killers of america
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well MR President all the money you have made in the past six to eight years.

THEY ARE ALL JUST GODDAMNED PIECES OF PAPER.

SO

SHUT THE FUCH UP AND IF YA DON'T LIKE IT ........LEAVE
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Is the United States Secret Service protecting the Nation and the Office of the President, or someone who might compromise them both..

remember the
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Big Brother knows best, trust him! The proles will have to co-operate, or they will be accused of aiding terrorism and facilitating attacks like the London bombings. Non-compliance is irresponsible, disobedience could be fatal. The message is, if you see your neighbours being rounded up or shot, hear nothing, see nothing, say nothing and do nothing, if is for your protection. Just stay indoors, close the curtains and cower in fear, because it could be you next. It all sounds familiar, historians should recognize the signs.
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Remember John Titor? What he said about the Constitution?

Do you have a copy for your living room yet?
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the constitution was the promise upon which the republic was founded
without it
there is no unity of the states
plain and simple
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''baseball team majority owner
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I think not--A very small minority owner---But he did help steal the land that is under the Rangers "ENRON STADIUM"
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The Constitution is the law which the government is constrained to operate withen. Once they stepped outside the Constitution they were no longer ligitamate. The President is required to swear an oath to which he is legally bound to uphold and defend the Constitution.

Bush is essentially asking us what we intend to do about it and thumbing his nose at us Bush certainly didn't start the downslide, but he oversaw a large percentage of it.

His goal is to create a civil conflict. Do not fight each other , fight the real enemy. Remember, Robert E lee and Useless S Grant BOTH went to Westpoint.

If we allow ourselves to be divided we will be senselessly slaughtered. If we do nothing, foriegn invasion is inevitable. It is only a matter of time before there is open warfare on American soil. Soon, we will get a taste of war on our own territory. It will be difficult to identify the enemy. Remember the underlying goal, the breakup of the United States and it's capitulation to the jew world order.
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9570...... how does the"Average Black Guy", occasional "poor spelling, poor grammar" presuppose an IQ of 85? posting comments on a thread is hardly the place to worry about perfect english. Or do you mean to say that because he "hates white people" his IQ must be 85? And if he hates white people why is it he singled out Clinton for praise...the last time I looked Bill seemed pretty white to me!!! Please expand a bit on how you arrived with the number 85.
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I notice the discussion has strayed from a discussion of Bush's statement.

If the people knew what we had done, they would chase us down the street and lynch us." -- George HW Bush
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Wow
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Is hemp called paper? If no Bush lied, unless he's talking about another Constitution.
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George W was the worst President of my lifetime...then came Obama, I didn't think it could get any worse... Now we got Joe Biden like "hold my ice-cream".

Jesus, please come back soon!
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Remember John Titor? What he said about the Constitution?

Do you have a copy for your living room yet?
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Yes I do!
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George W was the worst President of my lifetime...then came Obama, I didn't think it could get any worse... Now we got Joe Biden like "hold my ice-cream".

Jesus, please come back soon!
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Joe is great.





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