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WTF?????? Sticky tape holding together the fabric of the Eagle lunar lander? Are you serious?
Okay, so I want to believe that humans actually went to the Moon, but believing is not easy.

The image number is : NASA file number AS11-40-5922
Here's a close up of the Eagle Lander;
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]

That image is from the official NASA image library:
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]

Now why would a hi-tech space agency use a scotch or sticky tape to hold together the fabric of its lunar lander??

WTF???
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You can also see what looks like:

Cardboard sheets
Roofing paper
curtain rods
floodlight holders
old tv antenna
Gold foil
Scotch tape



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WTF?????? Sticky tape holding together the fabric of the Eagle lunar lander? Are you serious?
Okay, so I want to believe that humans actually went to the Moon, but believing is not easy.

The image number is : NASA file number AS11-40-5922
Here's a close up of the Eagle Lander;
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]

That image is from the official NASA image library:
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]

Now why would a hi-tech space agency use a scotch or sticky tape to hold together the fabric of its lunar lander??

WTF???
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3M Tape also holds Boeing Jet Wings Together...
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Yup.

There's solutions that impress middle management.

And there's solutions that impress engineers.


In the LM, every ounce counts. Literally...they actually shaved down the handles of the toothbrushes during the great "get this craft under the weight budget now" hunt.

The actual hull is chem-milled aluminium, on load-bearing longerons and stringers. Over that hull is multiple thicknesses of different material, with the outermost being the thermal layer; reflective mylar to reject solar heating, other materials to selectively absorb some heat (so as to, for instance, keep fuel lines from freezing).

These are sheets of thin, fairly fragile material. So, a lot of people might think of shoving a brad through them. That creates a hole, however (defeating the purpose of the coating in that spot), and worse, it create a weak spot where tears can start.

So industrial adhesives makes more sense. Adhesives are STRONG. Consumers can get their hands on adhesives that are stronger than the material they bond (try sticking your fingers together with cyonoacrylic, and see which breaks first; the glue, or your skin!) Industrial adhesives are quite a bit stronger (and available only if you can show the manufacturer you can use the stuff safely. Play college pranks with kapton tape, and someone will be looking at serious medical bills).

The backing is, of course, industrial plastic -- stronger than the material it is binding. That tape is not going to go anywhere. It is the smart solution to the engineering problem.
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Yup.

There's solutions that impress middle management.

And there's solutions that impress engineers.


In the LM, every ounce counts. Literally...they actually shaved down the handles of the toothbrushes during the great "get this craft under the weight budget now" hunt.

The actual hull is chem-milled aluminium, on load-bearing longerons and stringers. Over that hull is multiple thicknesses of different material, with the outermost being the thermal layer; reflective mylar to reject solar heating, other materials to selectively absorb some heat (so as to, for instance, keep fuel lines from freezing).

These are sheets of thin, fairly fragile material. So, a lot of people might think of shoving a brad through them. That creates a hole, however (defeating the purpose of the coating in that spot), and worse, it create a weak spot where tears can start.

So industrial adhesives makes more sense. Adhesives are STRONG. Consumers can get their hands on adhesives that are stronger than the material they bond (try sticking your fingers together with cyonoacrylic, and see which breaks first; the glue, or your skin!) Industrial adhesives are quite a bit stronger (and available only if you can show the manufacturer you can use the stuff safely. Play college pranks with kapton tape, and someone will be looking at serious medical bills).

The backing is, of course, industrial plastic -- stronger than the material it is binding. That tape is not going to go anywhere. It is the smart solution to the engineering problem.
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Though I don't believe any man has ever exceeded 300 miles above the earth's surface (thanks to the Van Allen Belt, God's barrier), this is pretty standard for aerospace. It's generally neater, but that was the 60's.
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That whole thing looks like what hollywood was able to think up for "spacey" props for the time.


I mean aluminum foil? A whirly looking thing that serves no purpose? Craft paper? COME ON.
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One thing I have never heard about on this subject is what happens to the human magnetic field once it leaves earth, which is connected to the brains compass, how would this affect biomagnetism?
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It is an absurd mess of sticky tape and bits and pieces. It is amazing that many intelligent, well educated adults actually believe there is a prosaic explanation for such an apparent impossibility.
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One thing I have never heard about on this subject is what happens to the human magnetic field once it leaves earth, which is connected to the brains compass, how would this affect biomagnetism?
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Just wondering if this was ever taken into account?

There is a fascinating new science called Biomagnetism. It is the study of the living magnetic processes in many different lifeforms. Scientists became interested in Biomagnetism after the discovery of the formation of the mineral magnetite in certain animals.

In 1961 Heinz Lowenstam discovered that chitons (a small shelled sea creature) had teeth made of magnetite. This is important because prior to that time magnetite was believed to only have formed as a result of the geological processes related to volcanoes. Scientists were also astonished when a magnetic bacteria was discovered. Eventually magnetite was found in the brain linings of bees, termites, rhinoceros, and most importantly in pigeons and in humans.

It has become a well accepted scientific theory that the very small crystals of magnetite in the brains of homing pigeons can guide the pigeons successfully for long distances. Many believe that these crystals interact with the nervous system like an electric compass. It is also believed that bees have magnetite in their brains to help them navigate as well.

But why is magnetite found in the brains of humans? In 1990 it was found in the cerebral cortex, cerebellum, and in the lining surrounding the brain and spinal cord. Studies of these magnetic crystals have revealed that they are in fact manufactured by the living cells, and arranged in such a way that the maximum magnetic effect is achieved.
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Looks like it was made by primary school kids!

We went to the Moon - how is the question.

Kubrick did some fake footage and they mixed it with some real...hence all the cafaffle!

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One thing I have never heard about on this subject is what happens to the human magnetic field once it leaves earth, which is connected to the brains compass, how would this affect biomagnetism?
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Just wondering if this was ever taken into account?

There is a fascinating new science called Biomagnetism. It is the study of the living magnetic processes in many different lifeforms. Scientists became interested in Biomagnetism after the discovery of the formation of the mineral magnetite in certain animals.

In 1961 Heinz Lowenstam discovered that chitons (a small shelled sea creature) had teeth made of magnetite. This is important because prior to that time magnetite was believed to only have formed as a result of the geological processes related to volcanoes. Scientists were also astonished when a magnetic bacteria was discovered. Eventually magnetite was found in the brain linings of bees, termites, rhinoceros, and most importantly in pigeons and in humans.

It has become a well accepted scientific theory that the very small crystals of magnetite in the brains of homing pigeons can guide the pigeons successfully for long distances. Many believe that these crystals interact with the nervous system like an electric compass. It is also believed that bees have magnetite in their brains to help them navigate as well.

But why is magnetite found in the brains of humans? In 1990 it was found in the cerebral cortex, cerebellum, and in the lining surrounding the brain and spinal cord. Studies of these magnetic crystals have revealed that they are in fact manufactured by the living cells, and arranged in such a way that the maximum magnetic effect is achieved.
[link to voices.yahoo.com]
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So I guess what I am asking is would going to the moon cause chaos on the human system, but since the study of biomagnetism is a relativly new science the wouldn't have know the affect back then, anybody know?

Geomagnetic polarity reversal – A theoretical modus operandi of evolution

“Discontinuities in the fossil record provide the basis for the evolutionary theory of punctuated-equilibrium proposed by Eldredge and Gould,” says Yoder.

“Their theory suggests that the production of new species (as evidence of evolution) occurs by rapid bursts that are delineated by long periods (50,000 – 100,000 years in most cases) of stasis where no apparent changes take place.

“Clearly, to produce a significant evolutionary burst of this magnitude would require a most striking event leading to an abrupt change in gene frequency. Of the forces that are touted to alter gene frequency and drive evolution, none appear capable of generating such a dramatic alteration so quickly.

“One possibility could involve magnetic (polarity) reversal, a relatively rapid change in the polarity of Earth’s geomagnetic field where the North Pole becomes the south magnetic pole and vice versa.

“This theoretical force of evolution operates on Ecke et al.’s newly-discovered relationship between chiral symmetry (= handedness) and the orientation of the magnetic field.

“With regard to DNA, a change in the orientation of the magnetic field would therefore translate into a left-handed (counterclockwise spiral) to right-hand (clockwise spiral) switch (Z-DNA to B-DNA that can now be transcribed) or the reverse (B-DNA to Z-DNA whose role may be involved with regulating expression of certain genes or in genetic recombination).

“Such changes in handedness of DNA would lead to gene activation or deactivation… differential gene expression, and a change in gene frequency that drives evolution.

Most strikingly, as is well known to geologists, reversals in the orientation of the Earth’s magnetic field occur every 10,000 – 100,000 years (Jacobs 1984) and thus, the pronounced bursts of speciation associated with punctuated-equilibrium evolution are reflected by abrupt changes in gene frequency as a result thereof.”
[link to www.jstor.org]
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We didn't go to the moon.

The technology didn't exist then and it doesn't exist now.

I used to be a believer, but I the more you look into it the more obvious it becomes that the whole think was a hoax.
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You subhuman killworthy piece of shit dont even know what Kapton is ? It is still used for the exact same purpose to this day. Just look up a few images of currently build satellites.
You disgusting disgrace to the gene pool must be slaughtered together with the whole rest of your family, especially women and children, the breeders, so you cannot continue to further pollute the gene pool. But then again, in India they through half rotten corpses into a river and then bath in it and drink the water. Every indian should be terminated, pollutants, all they are.
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Take your own advice and just drown yourself in a septic tank, looser.
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One thing I have never heard about on this subject is what happens to the human magnetic field once it leaves earth, which is connected to the brains compass, how would this affect biomagnetism?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22897564


Just wondering if this was ever taken into account?

There is a fascinating new science called Biomagnetism. It is the study of the living magnetic processes in many different lifeforms. Scientists became interested in Biomagnetism after the discovery of the formation of the mineral magnetite in certain animals.

In 1961 Heinz Lowenstam discovered that chitons (a small shelled sea creature) had teeth made of magnetite. This is important because prior to that time magnetite was believed to only have formed as a result of the geological processes related to volcanoes. Scientists were also astonished when a magnetic bacteria was discovered. Eventually magnetite was found in the brain linings of bees, termites, rhinoceros, and most importantly in pigeons and in humans.

It has become a well accepted scientific theory that the very small crystals of magnetite in the brains of homing pigeons can guide the pigeons successfully for long distances. Many believe that these crystals interact with the nervous system like an electric compass. It is also believed that bees have magnetite in their brains to help them navigate as well.

But why is magnetite found in the brains of humans? In 1990 it was found in the cerebral cortex, cerebellum, and in the lining surrounding the brain and spinal cord. Studies of these magnetic crystals have revealed that they are in fact manufactured by the living cells, and arranged in such a way that the maximum magnetic effect is achieved.
[link to voices.yahoo.com]
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This is how astrology works, The tiny bit of magnetite forms and uploads the natal chart of the baby as it leaves the embryonic fluid. The human thus downloads a unique life program from the electromagentic waves of the planetary alignments.
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Space tape.... like nascar have race tape
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One thing I have never heard about on this subject is what happens to the human magnetic field once it leaves earth, which is connected to the brains compass, how would this affect biomagnetism?
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Just wondering if this was ever taken into account?

There is a fascinating new science called Biomagnetism. It is the study of the living magnetic processes in many different lifeforms. Scientists became interested in Biomagnetism after the discovery of the formation of the mineral magnetite in certain animals.

In 1961 Heinz Lowenstam discovered that chitons (a small shelled sea creature) had teeth made of magnetite. This is important because prior to that time magnetite was believed to only have formed as a result of the geological processes related to volcanoes. Scientists were also astonished when a magnetic bacteria was discovered. Eventually magnetite was found in the brain linings of bees, termites, rhinoceros, and most importantly in pigeons and in humans.

It has become a well accepted scientific theory that the very small crystals of magnetite in the brains of homing pigeons can guide the pigeons successfully for long distances. Many believe that these crystals interact with the nervous system like an electric compass. It is also believed that bees have magnetite in their brains to help them navigate as well.

But why is magnetite found in the brains of humans? In 1990 it was found in the cerebral cortex, cerebellum, and in the lining surrounding the brain and spinal cord. Studies of these magnetic crystals have revealed that they are in fact manufactured by the living cells, and arranged in such a way that the maximum magnetic effect is achieved.
[link to voices.yahoo.com]
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So I guess what I am asking is would going to the moon cause chaos on the human system, but since the study of biomagnetism is a relativly new science the wouldn't have know the affect back then, anybody know?

Geomagnetic polarity reversal – A theoretical modus operandi of evolution

“Discontinuities in the fossil record provide the basis for the evolutionary theory of punctuated-equilibrium proposed by Eldredge and Gould,” says Yoder.

“Their theory suggests that the production of new species (as evidence of evolution) occurs by rapid bursts that are delineated by long periods (50,000 – 100,000 years in most cases) of stasis where no apparent changes take place.

“Clearly, to produce a significant evolutionary burst of this magnitude would require a most striking event leading to an abrupt change in gene frequency. Of the forces that are touted to alter gene frequency and drive evolution, none appear capable of generating such a dramatic alteration so quickly.

“One possibility could involve magnetic (polarity) reversal, a relatively rapid change in the polarity of Earth’s geomagnetic field where the North Pole becomes the south magnetic pole and vice versa.

“This theoretical force of evolution operates on Ecke et al.’s newly-discovered relationship between chiral symmetry (= handedness) and the orientation of the magnetic field.

“With regard to DNA, a change in the orientation of the magnetic field would therefore translate into a left-handed (counterclockwise spiral) to right-hand (clockwise spiral) switch (Z-DNA to B-DNA that can now be transcribed) or the reverse (B-DNA to Z-DNA whose role may be involved with regulating expression of certain genes or in genetic recombination).

“Such changes in handedness of DNA would lead to gene activation or deactivation… differential gene expression, and a change in gene frequency that drives evolution.

Most strikingly, as is well known to geologists, reversals in the orientation of the Earth’s magnetic field occur every 10,000 – 100,000 years (Jacobs 1984) and thus, the pronounced bursts of speciation associated with punctuated-equilibrium evolution are reflected by abrupt changes in gene frequency as a result thereof.”
[link to www.jstor.org]
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Did You Watch The Latest Futurama? S7 E13?

First this thread brought to light a new science called Biomagnetism, basically we have magnets in our brains. This causes issues for us if 2012 includes the Earth's magnetic pole to switch. Does this mean there actually might be something to tinfoil hats????

The Futurama connection shows fish swimming upstream to spawn, they know the way yet don't know why, after successfully finding the way one fish says "It's because of the magnets in my head".

Line 68 - 81:
[link to subtitlesbank.com]

The episode also ends with UFO's using lazer's in space to blow up the Earth... and the punchline is "Insuring your world, and it's destruction"...
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That whole thing looks like what hollywood was able to think up for "spacey" props for the time.


I mean aluminum foil? A whirly looking thing that serves no purpose? Craft paper? COME ON.
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Not aluminium foil -- which is basically aluminium rolled out thin -- but polyimide film (plastic) coated with pure aluminium on the back. The advantage is that whilst aluminium is a good reflector (80% of visual light, significant in the infrared as well) it isn't as good a radiator at lower temperatures. The plastic is, and it is thermally bonded to the aluminium.

The crinkled appearance in spacecraft is not just intentional, it was on the Apollo craft carefully done by hand. The reason? It increases the radiative surface (without increasing the cross section) and also reduces the points of contact with underlying material (through which thermal conduction could occur.)


I don't know what you mean by "whirly looking thing" but people who know the Apollo hardware can probably name every major structure on that craft and tell you what it does.

If I had to guess, what you are pointing at is probably that antenna visible behind the RCS quad near the center of the photograph; which I think is probably the unified S-band antenna.

Or it might be one of the VHF antenna. That would make more sense.
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That whole thing looks like what hollywood was able to think up for "spacey" props for the time.


I mean aluminum foil? A whirly looking thing that serves no purpose? Craft paper? COME ON.
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Why does it look so unlike almost every Hollywood spacecraft, then?

Particularly those from a few years BEFORE Apollo flew!


Are you saying the LM looks like the Pan-AM clipper from "2001?" Perhaps it looks like the United Planets Cruiser C57-D (from "Forbidden Planet") or the Jupiter-7 or our old friend NCC-1701?

Please, show me these Hollywood spacecraft from the late 60's that look like the LM.
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That whole thing looks like what hollywood was able to think up for "spacey" props for the time.


I mean aluminum foil? A whirly looking thing that serves no purpose? Craft paper? COME ON.
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Not aluminium foil -- which is basically aluminium rolled out thin -- but polyimide film (plastic) coated with pure aluminium on the back. The advantage is that whilst aluminium is a good reflector (80% of visual light, significant in the infrared as well) it isn't as good a radiator at lower temperatures. The plastic is, and it is thermally bonded to the aluminium.

The crinkled appearance in spacecraft is not just intentional, it was on the Apollo craft carefully done by hand. The reason? It increases the radiative surface (without increasing the cross section) and also reduces the points of contact with underlying material (through which thermal conduction could occur.)

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It should be crinkly in a definite pattern so that defects can be more easily spotted by technicians. This is one of the main reason why we keep things tidy, humans are part of the WHOLE craft and the cognitive processes within humans them so too.
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You can also see what looks like:

Cardboard sheets
Roofing paper
curtain rods
floodlight holders
old tv antenna
Gold foil
Scotch tape



???
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don't forget teh bicycle horns.

this is a multi-billion dollar interstellar craft capable of withstanding wild temperature variations and teh vaccum of space. and in later missions they slept in it for 3 days, honest.

whatever
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Looks like a grammer school art project gone bad. Not
real aero-dynamic looking - how could they calculate
anything? Hell, it looks like i've got all the materials
necessary to fly around the moon right in my shed. I
wonder why they chose what looks like corrugated roofing
material, guess it must be moon worthy - who would have thunk? Maybe they were just cost cutting...it looks like
you could probably put the whole thing together at home depot for a couple grand, and that's using new stuff, go
salvage and you talking a couple hundred.
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Hmm. Not a bad point. I think the major argument against it is that the film is expected to have flaws; it is the performance in aggregate that matters. And with the irregular surface they had to cover, getting a pattern to match would be non-trivial.



(And if you want to descend to the arcane, it is extremely difficult to cover a complex surface with a 2d repeating pattern. Now, if it was a 3d pattern it could be "slice" along the surfaces, but as a 2d pattern, it has seams. And, worse, if there are any compound curves, it has to stretch -- or have darts or other incongruities.)

(So there would be "defects" in the pattern that would catch the eye.)
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The photo is extremely valuable. It is proof that things are not what they seem.
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Looks like a grammer school art project gone bad. Not
real aero-dynamic looking - how could they calculate
anything? Hell, it looks like i've got all the materials
necessary to fly around the moon right in my shed. I
wonder why they chose what looks like corrugated roofing
material, guess it must be moon worthy - who would have thunk? Maybe they were just cost cutting...it looks like
you could probably put the whole thing together at home depot for a couple grand, and that's using new stuff, go
salvage and you talking a couple hundred.
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Have a Steinway ebony concert grand shipped to you. Cost? About 110,000 dollars. Are you going to judge the worth and the workmanship by WHAT THE SHIPPING CRATE LOOKS LIKE?

Because that's what you are doing with the LM. That isn't the pressure hull you are looking at. That's the space equivalent of an auto bra.
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That whole thing looks like what hollywood was able to think up for "spacey" props for the time.


I mean aluminum foil? A whirly looking thing that serves no purpose? Craft paper? COME ON.
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Not aluminium foil -- which is basically aluminium rolled out thin -- but polyimide film (plastic) coated with pure aluminium on the back. The advantage is that whilst aluminium is a good reflector (80% of visual light, significant in the infrared as well) it isn't as good a radiator at lower temperatures. The plastic is, and it is thermally bonded to the aluminium.

The crinkled appearance in spacecraft is not just intentional, it was on the Apollo craft carefully done by hand. The reason? It increases the radiative surface (without increasing the cross section) and also reduces the points of contact with underlying material (through which thermal conduction could occur.)


I don't know what you mean by "whirly looking thing" but people who know the Apollo hardware can probably name every major structure on that craft and tell you what it does.

If I had to guess, what you are pointing at is probably that antenna visible behind the RCS quad near the center of the photograph; which I think is probably the unified S-band antenna.

Or it might be one of the VHF antenna. That would make more sense.
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Crinkle it by hand? Are you fucking nuts? Dude, this is not a 3rd grade craft project.

The technology now is 1000x better, computing power 1 million x better, yet somehow today we can't get to the moon, China can't, Russia can't, it was all a farce back in the 60's, entire cold war was a scam to fleece the people, govt. programs, siphon money into pockets of leaders, they were all in cahoots, explains why no one ratted each other out.
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It is an absurd mess of sticky tape and bits and pieces. It is amazing that many intelligent, well educated adults actually believe there is a prosaic explanation for such an apparent impossibility.
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i predict the shills will do their best...

[link to davesweb.cnchost.com] long funny in depth analysis of appollo program.

personally i never used to care but now i think it was cover for (illegal) militarization of space at height of cold war.
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Re: Close up of Apollo Eagle Lander Shows Sticky Tape holds together Fabric!
If you think back in the 60's before nano tech, advanced polymers, way before the commodore 64, that there was enough tech to successfully send man to the moon and back, you are fucking nuts.

Today it should be a piece of cake for any country to do it. So much better tech and computing power.
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08/31/2012 03:53 AM
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Re: Close up of Apollo Eagle Lander Shows Sticky Tape holds together Fabric!
You subhuman killworthy piece of shit dont even know what Kapton is ? It is still used for the exact same purpose to this day. Just look up a few images of currently build satellites.
You disgusting disgrace to the gene pool must be slaughtered together with the whole rest of your family, especially women and children, the breeders, so you cannot continue to further pollute the gene pool. But then again, in India they through half rotten corpses into a river and then bath in it and drink the water. Every indian should be terminated, pollutants, all they are.
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Wow! People who lose their cool have something to hide.
If you are an American, and you DID go to the moon, then you should be PROUD. Doesn't matter what others think. So if they DID go to the Moon, why are so many people trying to poke holes? Obviously because there are a lot of things that are not convincing about this.
If Armstrong did go to the Moon, then every human should be proud that humanity extended itself. But what if they didn't .........?

IT shouldn't really make you angry.
The fact that you got angry shows :
>You have something to hide.
>You most likely belong to the Masonic-Zionist Greedy scumbag shitstains, who need to be eliminated from this world once and for all.
All that hate you spewed applies to and your Zionist people shitwad. For all the crimes you have committed against humanity , you need to be burned to a crisp.

Also your Masonic Zionist arse-holes lack brains.
So you messed it up, and now people are aware of it.
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08/31/2012 03:57 AM
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Re: Close up of Apollo Eagle Lander Shows Sticky Tape holds together Fabric!
Hey, I think I figured this whole moon hoax out.
They went to the moon alright, they just don't want
us to know how easy it was. After carefully analyzing
the posted picture, including using the zoom tool for extra close scrutiny, it's clear any tard with some scotch tape, plastic sheeting, and some other doo dads could put this together in their back yard. THEY DON'T WANT THAT. They
don't want every Tom Dick and Harry flying to the moon and back. Space travel is easy, too easy - they're the one's saying it was a hoax, so we don't figure out we're all just a couple afternoons in the garage away from the moon, mars or whereever. Probably oil or something valuable up there.
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08/31/2012 03:59 AM
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Re: Close up of Apollo Eagle Lander Shows Sticky Tape holds together Fabric!
That whole thing looks like what hollywood was able to think up for "spacey" props for the time.
 Quoting: Canadian Coward 11696035

It does exactly not.

I mean aluminum foil? A whirly looking thing that serves no purpose? Craft paper? COME ON.
 Quoting: Canadian Coward 11696035

So you admit you don't know what it is you're looking at?
book

The technology didn't exist then and it doesn't exist now.
 Quoting: MK_Ultra

Which technologies specifically?
book

This is how astrology works
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINIST

First proof that astrology works.
book

Not real aero-dynamic looking
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1593102

classic-facepalm

Crinkle it by hand? Are you fucking nuts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22926243

So you didn't understand the explanation?
Why am I not surprised?

The technology now is 1000x better, computing power 1 million x better,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22926243

WHAT technology?
What is the propulsion power of a megabyte?
By your analogy automobiles should now be able to drive around the world on a single tank of gas.

yet somehow today we can't get to the moon, China can't, Russia can't,
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What China and Russia can't has no bearing on what NASA could.
And can, if the misers in Congress would properly fund them.

it was all a farce back in the 60's, entire cold war was a scam to fleece the people, govt. programs, siphon money into pockets of leaders, they were all in cahoots, explains why no one ratted each other out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22926243

The Hoaxie Creed.
No show us your evidence.
book

[link to davesweb.cnchost.com] long funny in depth analysis of appollo program.
 Quoting: UK Coward 11508444

It's funny alright.
Why doesn't Dave come here and face the music?

And why can't you speak for yourself?

personally i never used to care but now i think it was cover for (illegal) militarization of space at height of cold war.
 Quoting: UK Coward 11508444

Which forms of militarisation of space are illegal?
And why need a cover if the DoD has its own space force?
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