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Attention All Watchers for The Rapture of the Church??
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Thanks for your take on it -
1 Well, we know that they (their souls) just arrived out from under the altar and now they are STANDING CLOTHED WITH WHITE ROBES. John says "after these things I saw"...and he see's the 144,000 on earth getting sealed and This large multitude STANDING.
2 "from all the nations" means from all the nations, you can't be true to the text and decide to eliminate jews and make it refer to gentiles only. All nations, kindreds and people is very clear... This is the the body of christ made up of gentiles and messianic jews.
3 I don't know Greek, but I read somewhere that the greek word means "out of the time and place of".. I think the word is "ek"... but I could be wrong of the spelling. Also, yes it is the 6th seal so no, it's not the time of the bowl judgements b/c the 7thseal opens the trumpets before the bowls.
Maybe there's no reference to the ekklesia during the opening of the seals is because John was up in heaven(Rev.4:1) seeing them being opened and the church was/is still on earth.... having not arrived in heaven yet. That's why he didn't see us there in heaven while the seals were being opened because we're here on earth during the 1st 5 seals and then he sees us in heaven during the 6th.
Quoting: Morganite For detail on the Greek, please go to [ link to www.fether.net] and scroll down to "the huge crowd". Rev. 7:14 is where the angel tells John that not only is the crowd "coming", it is specified by the angel as "the great tribulation". This term is held by every scholar I've seen as referring specifically to the last half of the Tribulation, and only a tiny minority put the seals in the 2nd half (because they put all the judgments there). So unless one takes the view that all the judgments are in the 2nd half, the seals must be a part of the 1st half, and yet the crowd comes from the 2nd. Re. references to the church, it is not mentioned on earth either, so I still stand by my view that they're not there.
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