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Thanks to Allison on Rapture Watch for reminding me and everyone else that Yum Kippur is NOT OVER YET!!! Please read??



Yom Kippur has now begun, today at sunset Israel timezone. This correlates to 8am PST, 10am CST, 11am EST in the US. Yom Kippur is from sunset today till sunset tomorrow. Here is some very interesting ideas pertaining to Yom Kippur and its possible prophetic fulfilment. Many calendars mark Yom Kippur as ending today but based upon the sighting of the new moon for Rosh Hashanah, it is from today till tomorrow. You can do some research on what Yom Kippur is and how it is celebrated in google which I suggest. I would highly recommend doing a study on the paralells between the 40 days of repentance between Elul 1 till Yom Kippur at which time the door of heaven is closed, as well as the books in heaven and judgement is sealed, with the 40 days and 40 nights of Jesus' fast when He was tempted in the wilderness and also the 40 days and nights Moses' was on the mountain and came down in glory. Also read about Jonah and the 40 day warning to Nineveh.





*Looking UP*




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The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry...The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles. The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.

AMEN TO THAT!! MAYBE THE LORD WILL COME???? bump
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From now on calling Rapure every single day?
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May the LORD hear the cries of our hearts and minds.


May we wait patiently and anxiously for our KING of KINGS!


The Lamb of GOD..Jesus our Christ who takes away the sins of the world!


Maranatha Jesus!!!
Susie

For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.....Matthew 6:21
There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: Ecclesiastes 3:1
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abduct Thanks for the heads-up! blobr
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May the LORD hear the cries of our hearts and minds.


May we wait patiently and anxiously for our KING of KINGS!


The Lamb of GOD..Jesus our Christ who takes away the sins of the world!


Maranatha Jesus!!!
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May be you have forgotten the oil for your lamp.
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I still think the Rapture is a number-specific event, and that the Feasts pertain not to the church but to Israel.

Rom. 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.

Acts 15:14 Simon has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

16 “‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’—
18 things known from long ago.
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Hi Keepthecode,

Yes, I think you are right... that it's number specific. But I do believe it's based on 2 numbers. Two groups have to reach their full number.

The full # of church-age gentiles in Rom.11:25 as you pointed out but also the full # of church-age martyrs must come in Rev.6:10-11.

After studying it; I've come to the conclusion that the end of the church-age and hence rapture and beginning of Jacob's trouble/trib. is at the opening of the 6th seal(Rev.6:17).

In verse 6:11 the church-age martyrs whose souls are in heaven under the altar ask how much longer till wrath/vengeance comes. Their(we're) answer comes in 7:9. I believe that's us... the large multitude of &:9-17 who suddenly arrive in heaven after the rapture.

I know a lot of people believe that none of the seals have been opened yet, but I think Jesus began opening them when he entered heaven after his resurrection as the victorious Lamb. After all, there have been more martyrs in the 20th century than all previous combined. I don't know the stats yet for 21st so far.

But even though the rapture is dependent on these 2 full #'s to come in, that doesn't necessarily rule out a specific or special date that God has in mind. He could make those 2 groups of people complete on a random day or during a feast.

Anyway, just some thoughts.abduct

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Their(we're) answer comes in 7:9. I believe that's us... the large multitude of &:9-17 who suddenly arrive in heaven after the rapture.

I know a lot of people believe that none of the seals have been opened yet, but I think Jesus began opening them when he entered heaven after his resurrection as the victorious Lamb. After all, there have been more martyrs in the 20th century than all previous combined. I don't know the stats yet for 21st so far.

But even though the rapture is dependent on these 2 full #'s to come in, that doesn't necessarily rule out a specific or special date that God has in mind. He could make those 2 groups of people complete on a random day or during a feast.

Anyway, just some thoughts.abduct
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Quite possible, of course. But I don't think the large crowd is from the church age, for these reasons:

1-- The appearance of something in heaven doesn't necessarily mean it just arrived. The four horses "appear", the souls under the altar "appear", etc. John is simply recording the order in which he sees various things.

2-- The group is described as "from all the nations" and is in contrast to the just-sealed group of 144k from the tribes of Israel, which seems to indicate that it is an all-Gentile group. Yet the church age believers are "a new creation", "neither Jew nor Greek", a third entity made from the other two. If the crowd is all Gentile, then it can't be the church.

3-- The Greek indicates that the group is composed of people who "come out of the Great Tribulation". This raises two points: that though this is only the sixth seal, these people are from the time of the bowl judgments; and the grammatical parsing indicates not time but origination. That is, "These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation". The group is not yet completed, and the time from which they arrive has not yet happened.

Along with the absence of any reference to the ekklesia after the seven letters and until the end of the Tribulation, it seems to me that this all adds up to the church not being on earth when the seals begin to open.
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I'm tired of this. It's really painful to watch so many Christians bow their knees to Satan by believing in this "rapture".

No wonder Jesus cried.

Rapture believers are lazy and incapable of performing their own research. And the really sad part is that it doesn't take much.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

As the days of Noah; Meaning that the flood surprised everybody an KILLED them!! Those that were taken were not saved, but CONDEMNED!!!
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I'm tired of this. It's really painful to watch so many Christians bow their knees to Satan by believing in this "rapture".

No wonder Jesus cried.

Rapture believers are lazy and incapable of performing their own research. And the really sad part is that it doesn't take much.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.


^THIS - THIS - THIS^


29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

As the days of Noah; Meaning that the flood surprised everybody an KILLED them!! Those that were taken were not saved, but CONDEMNED!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21090171
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another soultard who forgot they were spirit that existed before the creation and let their beast/soul get out of the sea of forgetfulness to wonder in the wilderness lost,again,this aint your first rodeo spirit that drives the ark/body...the dragon that gives the beast/soul its power is the -lie- of the soul...but suit yourself and throw your authority away over the creation and be bound by the creation...for its written,that which you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven,that which you loose in heaven shall be loose in heaven..souls who cant get out of the sea of forgetfulness and remember they are spirit remain bound by the creation..
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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I'm tired of this. It's really painful to watch so many Christians bow their knees to Satan by believing in this "rapture".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21090171


And I'm tired of people just lumping a bunch of verses together and calling it an argument, and not bothering to study rapture documentation that explains our reasoning in detail. But saying that people who disagree with your INTERPRETATION are bowing to Satan is a serious charge for which you will answer to God. You will be held to account for slandering us!
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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May the LORD hear the cries of our hearts and minds.


May we wait patiently and anxiously for our KING of KINGS!


The Lamb of GOD..Jesus our Christ who takes away the sins of the world!


Maranatha Jesus!!!
 Quoting: christian
that is the spirit speaking through that ark you call jesus..it is the spirit that takes away the sin,no ark can do that...and we all have the spirit in equal measure,but you have forgotten that by replacing the spirit with a soul and putting a god,goddess,savior and prophet on a pedestal separated from the spirit by mistranslated religions... you were never born ,you incarnated again and you were never created..we create the arks we incarnate into over and over...there is a j.e.w. or gentile or free or bond for we are all the same spirit that existed before the creation...the spirit of truth ends all wars and divisions,the lie of the soul keeps arks separated and waring...

Last Edited by T Ceti H.C. Radnarg on 09/26/2012 06:45 PM
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Thanks to Allison on Rapture Watch for reminding me and everyone else that Yum Kippur is NOT OVER YET!!! Please read??



Yom Kippur has now begun, today at sunset Israel timezone. This correlates to 8am PST, 10am CST, 11am EST in the US. Yom Kippur is from sunset today till sunset tomorrow. Here is some very interesting ideas pertaining to Yom Kippur and its possible prophetic fulfilment. Many calendars mark Yom Kippur as ending today but based upon the sighting of the new moon for Rosh Hashanah, it is from today till tomorrow. You can do some research on what Yom Kippur is and how it is celebrated in google which I suggest. I would highly recommend doing a study on the paralells between the 40 days of repentance between Elul 1 till Yom Kippur at which time the door of heaven is closed, as well as the books in heaven and judgement is sealed, with the 40 days and 40 nights of Jesus' fast when He was tempted in the wilderness and also the 40 days and nights Moses' was on the mountain and came down in glory. Also read about Jonah and the 40 day warning to Nineveh.





*Looking UP*




--

The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry...The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles. The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.

AMEN TO THAT!! MAYBE THE LORD WILL COME???? bump
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YAWN...2000+ years of any day now..one would think you fools would catch on by now.
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May the LORD hear the cries of our hearts and minds.


May we wait patiently and anxiously for our KING of KINGS!


The Lamb of GOD..Jesus our Christ who takes away the sins of the world!


Maranatha Jesus!!!
 Quoting: christian
that is the spirit speaking through that ark you call jesus..it is the spirit that takes away the sin,no ark can do that...and we all have the spirit in equal measure,but you have forgotten that by replacing the spirit with a soul and putting a god,goddess,savior and prophet on a pedestal separated from the spirit by mistranslated religions... you were never born ,you incarnated again and you were never created..we create the arks we incarnate into over and over...there is a j.e.w. or gentile or free or bond for we are all the same spirit that existed before the creation...the spirit of truth ends all wars and divisions,the lie of the soul keeps arks separated and waring...
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg
PS you can tell the souls from the spirit for souls never acknowledge the creator but say god or Jesus or some other prophet..that is how you test the spirits to see if they be of the creator or not..the spirit will remember ,the soul will not remember..so wake the heaven up souls and stop causing division by your forgetfulness...

Last Edited by T Ceti H.C. Radnarg on 09/26/2012 06:49 PM
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Their(we're) answer comes in 7:9. I believe that's us... the large multitude of &:9-17 who suddenly arrive in heaven after the rapture.

I know a lot of people believe that none of the seals have been opened yet, but I think Jesus began opening them when he entered heaven after his resurrection as the victorious Lamb. After all, there have been more martyrs in the 20th century than all previous combined. I don't know the stats yet for 21st so far.

But even though the rapture is dependent on these 2 full #'s to come in, that doesn't necessarily rule out a specific or special date that God has in mind. He could make those 2 groups of people complete on a random day or during a feast.

Anyway, just some thoughts.abduct
 Quoting: Morganite


Quite possible, of course. But I don't think the large crowd is from the church age, for these reasons:

1-- The appearance of something in heaven doesn't necessarily mean it just arrived. The four horses "appear", the souls under the altar "appear", etc. John is simply recording the order in which he sees various things.

2-- The group is described as "from all the nations" and is in contrast to the just-sealed group of 144k from the tribes of Israel, which seems to indicate that it is an all-Gentile group. Yet the church age believers are "a new creation", "neither Jew nor Greek", a third entity made from the other two. If the crowd is all Gentile, then it can't be the church.

3-- The Greek indicates that the group is composed of people who "come out of the Great Tribulation". This raises two points: that though this is only the sixth seal, these people are from the time of the bowl judgments; and the grammatical parsing indicates not time but origination. That is, "These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation". The group is not yet completed, and the time from which they arrive has not yet happened.

Along with the absence of any reference to the ekklesia after the seven letters and until the end of the Tribulation, it seems to me that this all adds up to the church not being on earth when the seals begin to open.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Thanks for your take on it -
1 Well, we know that they (their souls) just arrived out from under the altar and now they are STANDING CLOTHED WITH WHITE ROBES. John says "after these things I saw"...and he see's the 144,000 on earth getting sealed and This large multitude STANDING.

2 "from all the nations" means from all the nations, you can't be true to the text and decide to eliminate jews and make it refer to gentiles only. All nations, kindreds and people is very clear... This is the the body of christ made up of gentiles and messianic jews.

3 I don't know Greek, but I read somewhere that the greek word means "out of the time and place of".. I think the word is "ek"... but I could be wrong with the spelling. Also, yes it is the 6th seal so no, it's not the time of the bowl judgements b/c the 7thseal opens the trumpets before the bowls.

Maybe there's no reference to the ekklesia during the opening of the seals is because John was up in heaven(Rev.4:1) seeing them being opened and the church was/is still on earth.... having not arrived in heaven yet. That's why he didn't see us there in heaven while the seals were being opened because we're here on earth during the 1st 5 seals and then he sees us in heaven during the 6th.

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I'm tired of this. It's really painful to watch so many Christians bow their knees to Satan by believing in this "rapture".
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And I'm tired of people just lumping a bunch of verses together and calling it an argument, and not bothering to study rapture documentation that explains our reasoning in detail. But saying that people who disagree with your INTERPRETATION are bowing to Satan is a serious charge for which you will answer to God. You will be held to account for slandering us!
 Quoting: Keep2theCode



Try reading and understanding those 'lumped together' verses.

And that is not slander - if rapture believers accept the first one coming back as Jesus, they will be be deceived by the so called 'antichrist'.

Jesus returns at the very last trump - the 7th one.

The antichrist comes at the 6th trump.

Simple math - 6 comes before 7.
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I'm tired of this. It's really painful to watch so many Christians bow their knees to Satan by believing in this "rapture".
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And I'm tired of people just lumping a bunch of verses together and calling it an argument, and not bothering to study rapture documentation that explains our reasoning in detail. But saying that people who disagree with your INTERPRETATION are bowing to Satan is a serious charge for which you will answer to God. You will be held to account for slandering us!
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Those are direct verses in correct order from the book of Matthew. Shows what you know "Christian". You are one of the main reasons Jesus wept. Hope you're proud.
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Thanks for your take on it -
1 Well, we know that they (their souls) just arrived out from under the altar and now they are STANDING CLOTHED WITH WHITE ROBES. John says "after these things I saw"...and he see's the 144,000 on earth getting sealed and This large multitude STANDING.

2 "from all the nations" means from all the nations, you can't be true to the text and decide to eliminate jews and make it refer to gentiles only. All nations, kindreds and people is very clear... This is the the body of christ made up of gentiles and messianic jews.

3 I don't know Greek, but I read somewhere that the greek word means "out of the time and place of".. I think the word is "ek"... but I could be wrong of the spelling. Also, yes it is the 6th seal so no, it's not the time of the bowl judgements b/c the 7thseal opens the trumpets before the bowls.

Maybe there's no reference to the ekklesia during the opening of the seals is because John was up in heaven(Rev.4:1) seeing them being opened and the church was/is still on earth.... having not arrived in heaven yet. That's why he didn't see us there in heaven while the seals were being opened because we're here on earth during the 1st 5 seals and then he sees us in heaven during the 6th.
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For detail on the Greek, please go to [link to www.fether.net] and scroll down to "the huge crowd". Rev. 7:14 is where the angel tells John that not only is the crowd "coming", it is specified by the angel as "the great tribulation". This term is held by every scholar I've seen as referring specifically to the last half of the Tribulation, and only a tiny minority put the seals in the 2nd half (because they put all the judgments there). So unless one takes the view that all the judgments are in the 2nd half, the seals must be a part of the 1st half, and yet the crowd comes from the 2nd.

Re. references to the church, it is not mentioned on earth either, so I still stand by my view that they're not there.
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Those are direct verses in correct order from the book of Matthew. Shows what you know "Christian". You are one of the main reasons Jesus wept. Hope you're proud.
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You can't just list verses, which we ALL know and don't accept YOUR INTERPRETATION of them. The order of the verses is not the point of disagreement.

You're an insulting, arrogant, judgmental person, and those are NOT fruit of the Spirit. God will judge you!
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? (Gal. 4:16)
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Those are direct verses in correct order from the book of Matthew. Shows what you know "Christian". You are one of the main reasons Jesus wept. Hope you're proud.
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You can't just list verses, which we ALL know and don't accept YOUR INTERPRETATION of them. The order of the verses is not the point of disagreement.

You're an insulting, arrogant, judgmental person, and those are NOT fruit of the Spirit. God will judge you!
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"My interpretation" ha...um. THose are the direct words of Jesus...and I quote "29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

Yes...a direct quote from Jesus himself written in the gospels. How is there any other way to interpret direct words? Clearly he will send his angels to gather the elect AFTER the tribulation. Could it possibly be any more clear and concise? People like yourself clarify the fact that God is sending a grand delusion upon those who are not in love with the truth. You are the epitome of his words.
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putin The stupid, it burns. Herp.
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YAWN...2000+ years of any day now..one would think you fools would catch on by now.
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Jesus doesn't commend YAWNERS... It shows you're lazy and NOT WATCHING.. come on now, I know we all get tired but it's time to wake from your slumber and know Jesus.

"Watch ye therfore: for you know not when the master of the house cometh, at evening, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." Mark 13:35-27


Link to wake up and come to the light - Jesus:

[link to www.gotquestions.org]

If you believe that the Bible offers truth about the way to salvation, but you have not made the decision yet to become a Christian, it's as simple as praying this prayer. You can pray by yourself, using your own words. There is no special formula. Just pray from your heart to God, and He will save you. If you feel lost and just don’t know what to pray, here’s a prayer of salvation that you can pray:

Dear Lord,
I admit that I am a sinner. I have done many things that don’t please you. I have lived my life for myself. I am sorry and I repent. I ask you to forgive me. I believe that you died on the cross for me, to save me. You did what I could not do for myself. I come to you now and ask you to take control of my life, I give it to you. Help me to live every day in a way that pleases you. I love you, Lord, and I thank you that I will spend all eternity with you.

Amen.

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soultards follow the lie/dragon that falsely gives them power and the spirit follows the spirit which is power..poor babies still drinking milk from the pulpits who refuse to regrow up as spirit..someone blow their noses and wipe their baby asses too..
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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“COME AGAIN HOLY SPIRIT!” James W. Goll:
One of the most consistent ways the Lord speaks to me is through the avenue of dreams. Many of my writing and speaking assignments are given to me in such a manner. Prayer assignments over the years have almost always come in the forms of visitations and visions. This is true especially if it is a strategic assignment.

While ministering in Brazil in this past July, I was seeking the Lord for His mind and thoughts concerning future movements of the Holy Spirit. I went to sleep in my hotel room in Belo Horizonte and woke up out of a "stunner of a dream". The manifested presence of God was riveting on my body as an aftereffect of this dream encounter. It shook me.

I have yet to tell the full dream experience publicly, but I have been directed to present portions of it to you now. Perhaps I will be released at a later date and in the proper setting to actually proclaim the message. For now, I am going to steer away from my craft of interpreting and just bring you the raw message.

I Saw Southern California as a Womb for the Body of Christ!

Like an eagle in flight, I was hovering over the globe in search of a place to land. Suddenly the entire West Coast of the United States came before me. I was zoomed in upon the state of California and with the eye of an eagle I saw glimpses of redemptive purposes and plans. I then turned in flight over portions of Southern California and I saw something that seemed unusual. Southern California was a womb for the Body of Christ. She had been used to conceive the Word and the Spirit over the last one hundred years of the Church and to bring forth different movements of God.

My "knower" was on high alert as I flew over Los Angeles and Orange County that this womb had already received another word - implanted at least a year earlier - and that another long-term, almost overdue, birth was imminent. I then soared over Pasadena and the next thing I knew, the eagle suddenly flew into the historic Mott Auditorium on the hallowed grounds of William Carey University.

I Saw John Wimber Standing on the Platform!

The Mott Auditorium was packed with worshipping Believers with standing room only. The place was electric with the presence of God. Rabid worship was happening with occasional authoritative declarations by various leaders. I noticed a few desperate pastors I know crying out with anguish for God to visit them once again. Then things suddenly shifted.

All of a sudden, the late John Wimber, former leader of the Vineyard Movement and voice for the Third Wave, was firmly standing on the newly purple-carpeted platform. The cultural atmosphere was now pregnant with a realm of the glory and the thick majesty of God. Then I heard and felt the voice of John Wimber echo an invitation that rattled the entire place. He simply declared,

"COME AGAIN HOLY SPIRIT!"

People started crashing to the floor en masse under the impact of the power and authority that resonated in those simple words. Once again another sound wave was released, "COME AGAIN HOLY SPIRIT." It was not gentle Jesus showing up or the comforting dove of God manifesting. It was not just another renewal or revival meeting - though it seemed to include all of those qualities. It was the violent invasion of Heaven entering a time and space world. It was a Church quake.

I felt the reverberation coming off the sound waves of the voice of the invitation. It shook the very building, the grounds and all those present. The fear of the Lord fell and an earthquake of a 5.7 magnitude resulted. The quake resulted in an anointing resting on Psalm 57: "Be gracious to me, O God, be gracious to me. For my soul takes refuge in You; And in the shadow of Your wings I will take refuge until destruction passes by. I will cry to God Most High, to God who accomplishes all things for me. He will send from Heaven and save me."

People screamed in terror as the entire grounds and buildings were rattled by the sound of God's voice being heard and felt once again. Signs and wonders broke out but it appeared as an aftereffect, not the primary goal. Then a third time I heard the pronouncement from John Wimber, "COME AGAIN HOLY SPIRIT!" People crashed onto the floor in droves.

As I pen this, I just now realized some things I had forgotten. I was reminded of them as they just flashed suddenly within me as I compose this. I also saw the late Jill Austin, one of the fieriest prophetesses of the last decade, gazing in upon what was happening and smiling. I heard her laugh echo over the occurrence as to say, "I told you He was coming!" I saw a great cloud of witnesses including Aimee Simple McPherson and others who were gathering around to peer in upon this strange outbreak. The convergence of old anointings - still seemingly resident upon California - were now colliding.

Suddenly I was Awakened!

My senses were heightened. It was July and I was ministering in Brazil – a land pregnant with revival - but suddenly it appeared to be another season. It was Fall - right at the time of the Jewish New Year of Rosh Hashanah. Then pages of a book flipped quickly from one chapter of time to another and suddenly it was 40 days and nights later. I smelled smoke in Mott Auditorium as if the place had been filled with the burning fiery sacrifices of violent praise and worship. I smelled burnt flesh. I smelled aromas of life and death simultaneously at work.

Short messages from different anointed vessels were a part of this new sound wave but again it was not the main thing. Miracles happened - they just suddenly occurred. But again, this was not the aim. It was not why the people even assembled. Yes, there were even short passionate pleas and desperate cries for help! But even that was not the central focus. This move of God centered on the radical worship of the One – Christ Jesus the Lord - and the welcoming with abandonment of the third person of the Godhead – the Holy Spirit! The jealousy of God permeated the experience.

It was not a conference. It was not polished. It was not even 24/7 as we presently know it. It was raw and overpowering. It was not rehearsed. It was an invasion of the Holy Spirit Himself.

A window of opportunity had opened and this uncontrollable surging sound wave jumped spontaneously around the globe. A man appeared on a pogo stick gleefully jumping from city to city and nation to nation. The man on the stick was William Seymour of the historic Azusa Street Revival. He leapt across the nations and everywhere his pogo stick landed, light came for a brief moment! The nations were in an uproar - and fire and light were falling around the globe.

Then I Heard One Last Word:



"A Line Has Been Drawn in the Sand." Terror gripped me. I shook. I honestly did not know what was coming next. I still do not know having pondered deeply on this experience. Was it Days of Glory or impending societal chaos? Was it times of economic collapse or reformation where a new order was created out of tumultuous uncertainty? I honestly was left not knowing what the outcome or the result was or would be.



But this I knew: Hope for the fragmented Body of Christ and the nations was being released. An invitation was being sent from Heaven to earth and a line was being drawn in the sand.

The word went in me. The word penetrated me. The word has disturbed me. But this I know, Heaven has a word that must be heard in the earth realm, "COME AGAIN HOLY SPIRIT!" And the invitation must have an urgent and appropriate response.

In the fear of the Lord James W Goll

soultards follow the lie/dragon that falsely gives them power and the spirit follows the spirit which is power..poor babies still drinking milk from the pulpits who refuse to regrow up as spirit..someone blow their noses and wipe their baby asses too..
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg

"I want to know Christ more and experience the mighty power that raised Him from the dead." Philippians 3:10

"Blessed are those servants whom the lord will find watching when he comes." Luke 12:37
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time to knock the dust from my shoes for the soul/beast/dragon/crawling serpent to eat as it crawls on its belly all it days instead of flying as the dove...be ye wise as serpents but harmless as doves...for the serpent turns into wisdom when it fly's as a flying serpent with the wings of a dove aka the spirit instead of a soul..
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Wow, the venom drips furiously from the fangs of the Rapture haters around here. They think this is a salvation issue or something, who knows.
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“COME AGAIN HOLY SPIRIT!” James W. Goll:
One of the most consistent ways the Lord speaks to me is through the avenue of dreams. Many of my writing and speaking assignments are given to me in such a manner. Prayer assignments over the years have almost always come in the forms of visitations and visions. This is true especially if it is a strategic assignment.

While ministering in Brazil in this past July, I was seeking the Lord for His mind and thoughts concerning future movements of the Holy Spirit. I went to sleep in my hotel room in Belo Horizonte and woke up out of a "stunner of a dream". The manifested presence of God was riveting on my body as an aftereffect of this dream encounter. It shook me.

I have yet to tell the full dream experience publicly, but I have been directed to present portions of it to you now. Perhaps I will be released at a later date and in the proper setting to actually proclaim the message. For now, I am going to steer away from my craft of interpreting and just bring you the raw message.

I Saw Southern California as a Womb for the Body of Christ!

Like an eagle in flight, I was hovering over the globe in search of a place to land. Suddenly the entire West Coast of the United States came before me. I was zoomed in upon the state of California and with the eye of an eagle I saw glimpses of redemptive purposes and plans. I then turned in flight over portions of Southern California and I saw something that seemed unusual. Southern California was a womb for the Body of Christ. She had been used to conceive the Word and the Spirit over the last one hundred years of the Church and to bring forth different movements of God.

My "knower" was on high alert as I flew over Los Angeles and Orange County that this womb had already received another word - implanted at least a year earlier - and that another long-term, almost overdue, birth was imminent. I then soared over Pasadena and the next thing I knew, the eagle suddenly flew into the historic Mott Auditorium on the hallowed grounds of William Carey University.

I Saw John Wimber Standing on the Platform!

The Mott Auditorium was packed with worshipping Believers with standing room only. The place was electric with the presence of God. Rabid worship was happening with occasional authoritative declarations by various leaders. I noticed a few desperate pastors I know crying out with anguish for God to visit them once again. Then things suddenly shifted.

All of a sudden, the late John Wimber, former leader of the Vineyard Movement and voice for the Third Wave, was firmly standing on the newly purple-carpeted platform. The cultural atmosphere was now pregnant with a realm of the glory and the thick majesty of God. Then I heard and felt the voice of John Wimber echo an invitation that rattled the entire place. He simply declared,

"COME AGAIN HOLY SPIRIT!"

People started crashing to the floor en masse under the impact of the power and authority that resonated in those simple words. Once again another sound wave was released, "COME AGAIN HOLY SPIRIT." It was not gentle Jesus showing up or the comforting dove of God manifesting. It was not just another renewal or revival meeting - though it seemed to include all of those qualities. It was the violent invasion of Heaven entering a time and space world. It was a Church quake.

I felt the reverberation coming off the sound waves of the voice of the invitation. It shook the very building, the grounds and all those present. The fear of the Lord fell and an earthquake of a 5.7 magnitude resulted. The quake resulted in an anointing resting on Psalm 57: "Be gracious to me, O God, be gracious to me. For my soul takes refuge in You; And in the shadow of Your wings I will take refuge until destruction passes by. I will cry to God Most High, to God who accomplishes all things for me. He will send from Heaven and save me."

People screamed in terror as the entire grounds and buildings were rattled by the sound of God's voice being heard and felt once again. Signs and wonders broke out but it appeared as an aftereffect, not the primary goal. Then a third time I heard the pronouncement from John Wimber, "COME AGAIN HOLY SPIRIT!" People crashed onto the floor in droves.

As I pen this, I just now realized some things I had forgotten. I was reminded of them as they just flashed suddenly within me as I compose this. I also saw the late Jill Austin, one of the fieriest prophetesses of the last decade, gazing in upon what was happening and smiling. I heard her laugh echo over the occurrence as to say, "I told you He was coming!" I saw a great cloud of witnesses including Aimee Simple McPherson and others who were gathering around to peer in upon this strange outbreak. The convergence of old anointings - still seemingly resident upon California - were now colliding.

Suddenly I was Awakened!

My senses were heightened. It was July and I was ministering in Brazil – a land pregnant with revival - but suddenly it appeared to be another season. It was Fall - right at the time of the Jewish New Year of Rosh Hashanah. Then pages of a book flipped quickly from one chapter of time to another and suddenly it was 40 days and nights later. I smelled smoke in Mott Auditorium as if the place had been filled with the burning fiery sacrifices of violent praise and worship. I smelled burnt flesh. I smelled aromas of life and death simultaneously at work.

Short messages from different anointed vessels were a part of this new sound wave but again it was not the main thing. Miracles happened - they just suddenly occurred. But again, this was not the aim. It was not why the people even assembled. Yes, there were even short passionate pleas and desperate cries for help! But even that was not the central focus. This move of God centered on the radical worship of the One – Christ Jesus the Lord - and the welcoming with abandonment of the third person of the Godhead – the Holy Spirit! The jealousy of God permeated the experience.

It was not a conference. It was not polished. It was not even 24/7 as we presently know it. It was raw and overpowering. It was not rehearsed. It was an invasion of the Holy Spirit Himself.

A window of opportunity had opened and this uncontrollable surging sound wave jumped spontaneously around the globe. A man appeared on a pogo stick gleefully jumping from city to city and nation to nation. The man on the stick was William Seymour of the historic Azusa Street Revival. He leapt across the nations and everywhere his pogo stick landed, light came for a brief moment! The nations were in an uproar - and fire and light were falling around the globe.

Then I Heard One Last Word:



"A Line Has Been Drawn in the Sand." Terror gripped me. I shook. I honestly did not know what was coming next. I still do not know having pondered deeply on this experience. Was it Days of Glory or impending societal chaos? Was it times of economic collapse or reformation where a new order was created out of tumultuous uncertainty? I honestly was left not knowing what the outcome or the result was or would be.



But this I knew: Hope for the fragmented Body of Christ and the nations was being released. An invitation was being sent from Heaven to earth and a line was being drawn in the sand.

The word went in me. The word penetrated me. The word has disturbed me. But this I know, Heaven has a word that must be heard in the earth realm, "COME AGAIN HOLY SPIRIT!" And the invitation must have an urgent and appropriate response.

In the fear of the Lord James W Goll

soultards follow the lie/dragon that falsely gives them power and the spirit follows the spirit which is power..poor babies still drinking milk from the pulpits who refuse to regrow up as spirit..someone blow their noses and wipe their baby asses too..
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg

 Quoting: enoch01
PS, souls have a form of godliness but deny the power of the spirit...sleeping soultards who are breasts and brutes who cant find peace within the kingdom of the creator that is within us all...the kingdom is spirit and your pineal gland either binds it or looses it...if its calcified you bind it, if its not calcified you loose it..now you know why pineal glands are calcified by fluoride and other man made chemicals along with the parasites in beef and pork that dont die when you cook the meat..the world hates the spirit, for the spirit exposes the mistranslations and lies of the creation...take the manna and clean out your pineal gland and free your spirit..thread> 777 is the number of god and i am god...hf
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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I still think the Rapture is a number-specific event, and that the Feasts pertain not to the church but to Israel.

Rom. 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.

Acts 15:14 Simon has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

16 “‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’—
18 things known from long ago.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode
the rapture is symbolism of the spirit leaving the lie of the soul behind aka leaving the beast/soul in the sea of forgetfulness and not bringing it out of that sea...the spirit is always within but it cannot grow if you hold to the lie of the soul and smother your light within the ark you drive through the creation...hf souls cannot recognize the spirit that speaks through this ark ,so go souls and cast your beast off and remember your are spirit instead...

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How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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For detail on the Greek, please go to [link to www.fether.net] and scroll down to "the huge crowd". Rev. 7:14 is where the angel tells John that not only is the crowd "coming", it is specified by the angel as "the great tribulation". This term is held by every scholar I've seen as referring specifically to the last half of the Tribulation, and only a tiny minority put the seals in the 2nd half (because they put all the judgments there). So unless one takes the view that all the judgments are in the 2nd half, the seals must be a part of the 1st half, and yet the crowd comes from the 2nd.

Re. references to the church, it is not mentioned on earth either, so I still stand by my view that they're not there.
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Yes, I'm familiar with the prevalent commentary on Rev.7:14 being in the "2nd half", it's what I grew up learning. The word "out of" is indeed ek which means "from the midst of" so I think we are snatched out of or away from the impending wrath in Rev.6:12.

The reason the church isn't "mentioned on earth either" is because John is in heaven watching Jesus open the seals and relaying what's going on in heaven...so he's not mentioning what's happening on earth.

Anyway, thanks for the conversation and good link.hf
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Wow, the venom drips furiously from the fangs of the Rapture haters around here. They think this is a salvation issue or something, who knows.
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I've noticed that too. I just hope they truely know Jesus and will be raptured with us anyway. And if some don't know Jesus yet that they aren't duped into accepting the Anti-christ's mark in order to survive.
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