I'm Starting To Like ObamaCare!

I've never had health insurance, and I'll be damned if I'm starting now. Fuck them. If I earn money, I'll keep it. They can get in line behind the other creditors if they want to get paid.

There ya go way to stick it to the man!

Oh now it's the good ole "shill" comment. You're pathetic, lol!

No you don't know what you're talking about, proven!

Your discount is through your EMPLOYERS policy, not yours, which they can cancel at any time!

Did I say I couldn't afford it, NO....I was questioning your statement. Which was, people who live paycheck to paycheck could afford it.

Damn, it's hard keeping you on the same page....reading is fundamental, is it not?

ok then.

Go take a blood pressure pill or something. Obamacare is your new healthcare system like it or not.



Last Edited by Phoenix 2012 on 01/26/2013 07:59 PM

Holy Gee Willickers..

This is why it is so difficult to debate with some of you. The drivel you spout off right at the get go in an argument is vulgar, to say the least. No wonder people think the majority of you guys are nuts.

Instead of seeing P2012 as a "retard" or whatever, why not try to actually debate him, kinda how Brief is doing? Who knows, you may actually learn a thing or two in the process that you can use in a real life debate... Or do you just look at someone in pain and shout "F*** YOU!"

Stop playing how Liberals play the game, debate the guy, don't insult him.

P2012, I'll throw in this argument: The problem I have with The Affordable Care Act, is that it's another shove. We keep drawing a line in the sand and saying, Ok, but you can't cross it THIS time. Of course we let them cross it, and draw another line and say the same thing. One of these times, the line has to be held, not just redrawn.

If the Government can tell you to buy health care, what else do they have the "legal" right to force you to buy, or even further, what else can they tell you to do?

I live in a small urban town currently. My family's premiums have gone up.

I give up....you're just yankin chains and to the replies, lol!

Good luck with your OC, hopefully they'll cover your mental issues, lol!

You're absolutely right. We've watched friends and neighbors get laid off from small businesses who simply couldn't afford to keep their doors open anymore. They'll burn through savings until they get a low-wage job with no benefits, go from 2 cars to 1, run up credit cards to buy groceries that keep getting more expensive. They're no longer paying into retirement accounts or saving for their kids' college. Hell, we're still doing reasonably well and the 2% out of our January check has made me have to rework our budget. We won't get to go to our favorite local restaurant as much...and the cycle continues.

you're on GLP man, most everyone here is a clone parroting the same stupid shit they take in. Almost no one thinks for themselves. They are all about "fitting in" with the pub-tards that post here lol

I'm sure some peoples premiums will go up and I can simply urge people to shop around.

I would have been in full agreement with you a month ago. I was one who believed that our healthcare system didn't need to be altered outside of a few reforms.

As a earlier poster stated we also had the social security and medicare issues on our backs as well, not to mention the baby boomers are about to set the record for retirement.

All in all I don't really think they ever planned for OC to be passed and more or less had set up a reform with concessions in the bill.

Low and behold it did pass and now they scurry to make it work. I think it will work in time but of course that just my opinion.

I think it will be a better system in the long run but it will be miserable at start up. Requiring one to carry healthcare being no different than requiring a DL to drive.

We could debate the requiring of one to carry a DL infringes upon ones freedoms?

The health insurance industry rivals the banking in terms of corruption and greed. Obamacare does not hand our health care over to the government...it gives it directly to the insurance companies. Now that's scary.

I argue that a DL isn't even in the same category. It isn't a true analogy. For starters, you aren't required to carry a Driver's License. You have the choice NOT to drive a car. There are other state issued IDs that you can get besides a DL. Secondly, this is what I am talking about as a line in the sand. A driver's license costs how much in comparison to paying for Health Care?

Maybe DL wasn't a good analogy. You are not required to have insurance either but there is a fine if you don't. The cost of driving a car and carrying a license with required insurance would be comparable to carrying health insurance IMHO.

If you drive without insurance you pay a fine etc..

Stop...please you're making my head hurt! OMG!

it's your body, it's our business

Op,

Rejoice in your dear leader obama’s metered healthcare system and know that your Achilles heel will be discovered and exploited to your detriment.

Let us look at more mature socialist healthcare systems and yes, you too are screwed so keep rejoicing.(refer to links)

130,000 elderly patients killed every year by ‘death pathway’, claims leading UK doctor
[link to www.lifesitenews.com]

Now sick babies go on death pathway: Doctor's haunting testimony reveals how children are put on end-of-life plan
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

I will give them a read and he is not my dear leader btw.

The fact the government is getting complete medical histories on each of us...

The fact the government will be telling us what treatments we can and can't have...

The fact that it nationalized 1/6 of the U.S. Economy...

the fact that it has centralized care to bigger towns, shutting down small regional health clinics...

The fact they are going to use your medical history against you for any number of government functions...

Ok read them both. SO terminally ill seniors are in effect euthanized humanely?

Terminally ill and severely disabled babies are in effect euthanized?

Sounds like a religious issue?

Why would I have a problem with the terminally ill patient being put down?

They are going to die anyway and have no quality of life in the process.

Or are you saying that they will go further?

That's not what the Obamacare that I have been reading about is.

Feel free to point me in the right direction.

They will define and label

"terminally ill"
and
"severely disabled"

What if you thought you were healthy, according to your standards OP, but you actually are labeled as terminally ill?

I would have a problem of course. but I don't see us allowing that kind of abuse in the system.

Creeping suspicion that OP is playing Devil's Advocate.



Like I said, you can CHOOSE not to drive. What option do you have to avoid paying for Health Care? Live and pay, or Die. The fine is not an option, you're still paying into it.

You won't be so happy when your employer dumps your insurance and forces you to pay for Obamacare. They'll just pay the fine. It's cheaper. And wait until you get sick or old you'll soon change your tune but it will be to late. Stupid people like you only see the now and not what could be a nasty future for medicine dictated by government eugenics.The government, drug companies will dictate treatment. And probably forget about your vitamins the government does not believe in them.and remember to take all your vaccinations. Man the world is full of you stupid motherfuckers, thats the problem.

:notsureifserious:

I guess we need to define Obamacare? If my employer drops my insurance I will go back to the carrier I used before I was employed by this employer.

Yes they will still exist.

SO who is Obamacare for you make it sound like it's a carrier that I will run to later?

you like 'medi-cal' type health care huh?? your an IDIOT - have you ever had decent health care? im sure you have not. you like the GOV telling you what meds you can and cannot have instead of the doctor deciding what works best for you? you like to wait weeks or months for a simple doctors appointment? you are MORONIC and uneducated to say the LEAST. Ohh yeah and your GOV is here to help you because they care about you, they know what is best..Dumb ass

The fact that no small business can afford to pay it's fees and so small businesses are drying up. They employ most Americans by the way in case you are wondering why you are unemployed.

Every small business person I've asked says they can't afford to pay obamacare and that they are deliberately laying off workers or reducing their hours below the benefit threshold, 30 hours or so.

Obamacare was created by a big insurance company insider and is designed to transfer all health care to the US to destroy like they've done with all the social services.

It has no market incentives so it will never address costs, only make them go up or require denial of service. Because of obamacare my company switched over to a denial-of-service type plan where you pay most everything out of pocket.

Also the plan fails to qualify the only plan that actually brought real cost competition to health care, medical savings account. Thus it doesn't offer the only low cost insurance that makes any sense.

So this POS was designed by brain-dead satanic overlords who whish you to become feudal serfs of the state. Naturally good liberals love this, since they want to be the slaves serving their government pharoahs, like Obama.

Other than that I have no problem with it.

That's right, and what about our liberties? How is forcing us to do something like this in keeping with the constitution?

Anyone that approves of Obamacare is a God Damned Communist!

I know doctors and dentists that have retired because of Negro-care, and I also know some that don't know how they will pay their bills and feed their families because of the Pinko motherfucker...I have a friend now that can't get medicines he needs because of cutbacks in medicare...

Fuck government healthcare, and the communists they rode in on!

Golly geewillikers, I did just what you said. He did a 180 degree turn WHILE STILL DEFENDING his drivel.

First he said ObamaCare was tax free.

So I pointed out to him the Supreme Court ruling that declared ObamaCare is a TAX!!

Next thing you know, the crazy man is all over the map claiming everything is a tax including ObamaCare.

How do you argue with an insane person? You don't. So I told him to carry on with his lunacy.

If you don't have 50 employees, it does not affect you in any way.