Secrecy in Freemasonry

Is that why you never got promoted

Hello again, my fave enemy




why are the aims of the higher degree masons (the illuminati)
kept secret from the majority of their members?

I have done enough explaining on the part of Freemasons.

I started this thread because a Mason requested it.

However, I will not be their spokesman any longer.

If they wish to answer your question, then let them come forward and answer your question.

I could do it for them, but why should I?

Last Edited by IAMIAM on 02/15/2013 07:38 PM

Hmmm, if you don't want to speak up for them, why start the thread?

You are aligned with them, I'll take pity on you and refrain from commenting until a card-carrying (secrecy oath swearing) mason answers

You are so wrong

They are not kept secret at all from the members. You are always seeking masonic light as a traveling man. If you do not find the light you are seeking then that is your failure not the groups.

Having long wondered in darkness one seeks masonic light. You can seek all you want but if you are not looking you will never find it.

No deception at all if you open your eyes to masonic light. Good or bad, you decide.

I started this thread because a Mason requested it.

Now let me make this very clear.

I am aligned with NO ONE.

I have had enough with the Freemasons.

I have had enough with the Catholics.

I have had enough with Muslims.

I have had enough with the Jews.

I have had enough with all the governments of the world.

I have had enough with all those crystal waving, tree hugging, new age, wannabes.

I have had enough with Buddhists, and Taoists, and any and all other "Enlightened" beings.


I have had enough with division, and rancor, and acrimony.

I STAND ALONE.





You either stand with me, or you are against me.

Last Edited by IAMIAM on 02/15/2013 08:00 PM

OP, you are either a naive useful idiot on the bottom of that org nibbling on crumbs of the elders or shilling for the brotherhood of the snake and if so with very weak arguments

Eh, suck my balls.

Is this what you are referring to?

"It is for the Adept to understand the meaning of the Symbols [140] and Oliver declares: "Brethren, high in rank and office, are often unacquainted with the elementary principles of the science". [141] Masons "may be fifty years Masters of the Chair and yet not learn the secret of the Brotherhood. This secret is, in its own nature, invulnerable; for the Mason, to whom it has become known, can only have guessed it and certainly not have received it from any one; he has discovered it, because he has been in the lodge, marked, learned and inwardly digested. When he arrives at the discovery, he unquestionably keeps it to himself, not communicating it even to his most intimate Brother, because, should this person not have capability to discover it of himself, he would likewise be wanting in the capability to use it, if he received it verbally. For this reason it will forever remain a secret". [142]

In view of the fact that the secrets of Masonry are unknown to the bulk of Masons, the oaths of secrecy taken on the Bible are all the more startling and unjustifiable. The oath, for instance, of the first degree is as follows: "I, in the presence of the Great Architect of the Universe, . . . do hereby and hereon solemnly and sincerely swear, that I will always hide, conceal and never reveal any part or parts, any point or points of the secrets or mysteries of or belonging to Free and Accepted Masons in Masonry which may heretofore have been known by, shall now or may at any future time be communicated to me" etc. "These several points I solemnly swear to observe under no less penalty, than to have my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by the root and my body buried in the sands of the sea", "or the more efficient punishment of being branded as a wilfully perjured individual, void of all moral worth". "So help me God", etc."

[link to www.newadvent.org]

Secrecy is everywhere and not just in Freemasonry.

I keep secrets with just my wife that some of my children do not know.

I keep secrets that my father and mother do not know and I am reasonable enough to know that they have secrets that have and will take to the grave that I will never know.

I keep secrets from some employees that do not need to know what is going on.

However, it is NO secret that Freemasons have had and have a large hand in Western society in most every level. Hence, they have a lot of power and I AM glad it is them rather than someone else.

Last Edited by Gnostic Warrior on 02/15/2013 08:13 PM

.....................Ha...clown.........you have nothing..

Last Edited by Jasper on 02/15/2013 08:18 PM

Really Jasper.

Well how about hell be delivered to your door step?

Bolt of lightning to the forehead perhaps?

Just keep watching tardo.

Why do you think? Please keep in mind that I AM no Mason, but I AM a free thinking human who has studied their works, teachings and brotherhood to know probably more than most 32 degree masons. I also believe that I know some things that even 33rd degree mason do not know and of course, vice versa.

Last Edited by Gnostic Warrior on 02/15/2013 08:23 PM

No, they are NOT the government simpleton.

You are obviously speaking from a position of not having a fucking clue what you are talking about.

Allow me to enlighten you.

They are NOT the government.

However, they are obligated to be peaceable citizens to the government.


That is the catch.


Dumb ass.

No discredit to your importance, but your personal secrets don't have much to to do with the kind of secrecy in freemasonry, which allows unquestioning loyalty to the brotherhood.

Their power has shaped our world, that is true, but I can never be glad for the starvation, the corruption and the proposed further enslavement of mankind.

People kill each other and themselves. It is not the Freemasons doing it, but only free will and also, I can barely understand what point you are trying to get across.

My guess is that the majority of Freemasons are simply in it because it's what they and their families have always done. Sort of like a right of passage.

It's also a club of sorts, where the members get to know each other and take care of each other. Membership dues go to supporting Masons via retirement homes and whatnot. This is very real, has nothing to do with the occult, satan, lucifer, isis, or any other bullshit that people can come up with.

Having said that, Freemasonry (IMO) in it's purest form was instituted because many knowledgeable gnostics and free thinkers were rounded up and tortured, killed, etc. In short, they had to take their teachings underground to save what little they had left.

Are there bad, evil, illuminati masons out there? I don't know, I've never met one. My guess? Sure. Just like there's many catholic priests with penchants for little boys.

This can be said about any religion (remember Jimmy Swaggart?).



Mathew 1:
Judge not, that you be not judged.

Matthew 2:
For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Matthew 3:
And why behold you the mote that is in your brother's eye, but consider not the beam that is in your own eye?

Matthew 4:
Or how will you say to your brother, Let me pull out the mote out of your eye; and, behold, a beam is in your own eye?

Matthew 5:
You hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of your own eye; and then shall you see clearly to cast out the mote out of your brother's eye.



Peace.

Last Edited by Still Raging on 02/15/2013 08:27 PM

Does my profile say I am from fucking Brazil dip shit?

This brotherhood you speak of is thousands of years old. There has always been oaths made with penalty of death throughout history and NOT all were Freemasons or Templars etc.

My point was that often there is a reason for secrets, no matter who the secret keepers are. Yes, their secrets deal with much more serious matters than my personal secrets, but they are all one and the same in definition, a secret.

We have always been slaves and just FYI, we slaves under TPTB rule is some of the best damn slavery we plebs have EVER LIVED in the history of slavery. Do I love it or the fact I know who I AM in regards to the government? NO! But I do know that the ultimate goal is not eternal enslavement.

To be free on this earth in most societies, is not a birth rite, it must be earned and or bought with money. This is how our system has worked for thousands of years.

Last Edited by Gnostic Warrior on 02/15/2013 08:35 PM

I am not at liberty to discuss this.



Peace.

The aim of the illuminati, who are the secret inner circle of masons, has always been to install one of the brotherhood close to powerful people of the world and influence decision- making according to the principles of freemasonry -
if you look at the philosophies behind the crucial decisions, they reflect the substitution of God with reason and nature,
mainly, that this deplorable state of the world is just the way it is and we can do nothing to change human nature to fix the problems of starvation and war.

If you want to talk to the Masons, talk to the fucking Masons dip shit.

When you are talking to me, it is best not to use a fucking label.

Now pull your head out of your ass and pay attention to the conversation.

Failure to do so may result in being bitch slapped in a way you have never imagined.

I repeat .........Nothing.....

and i am not even a Mason in the generally accepted status quo..!!

Hell.......not gonna happen........(depends on the definition)
to some we already are all in it...!!

Bolt of Lightening to my forehead.....Doubt it....unless i'm very unlucky (or lucky, depending on you're viewpoint)

yeah, right...

tell me another lie, please

There is a huge difference in the consequences of masonic secrets which swear loyalty to each other above every other affiliation, and the secrets which have no such oaths attached, surely you can see this?

It is time this system of which you speak of is ended, not through communism or socialism, but justice,
the dignity of each and every individual will be restored,
without payment,
and morality will guide decision making, not the precept that the end justifies the means.

I know my position with the Almighty.

I am just his word.

Worse than that, they are close to governments and shape policies in secret.

You're lumping all Freemasons into the same category. To use an analogy, it's like saying "How come all Catholics molest children?" Or, "How come Australians murder Aboriginals?"

That wouldn't be fair now would it? What would be correct, would be to restate your question like this:

"Why are the aims of SOME groups that CLAIM to be Freemasons (the illuminati) kept from the majority of other Freemasons?"

When put into that context, the answer is simple:

Because the vast majority of Freemasons have no idea WTF you're spewing on about.

Peace.

There are absolutely no facts that the Illuminati still exist and is more of a conspiracy term. If you can prove they do, please show me because I cannot find these facts anywhere. I think it is much more complicated than you think. But we are just guessing because we are NOT privy to insider facts, just outsider disinformation.

We are governed in this age under the sword and war. This is a fact now for 3,000 years and 2013 years in this 6th age. War is not something new or the plan for infiniti so some dudes at the top can get rich destroying the planet. But yes, we live in a world that is much like monopoly and managed accordingly.

In regards to starvation, while I do not like anyone to suffer, this has been going on since the dawn of human kind and today is the first time in history that it is not as prevalent as it was in societies in the past. For example, here in America, people simply do not starve to death and guess who the hell founded this country? Could they have been Freemasons???



Last Edited by Gnostic Warrior on 02/15/2013 08:53 PM