QUICKEST DEBATE WITH AN ATHEIST EVER.

Cool story bro. So something can come from nothing.

That is exactly how you do it son. The 9/11 thing is perfect.

It's a good argument, but it kind of shows how God doesn't exist. The Universe exists, though, and that's for sure.

Wrong question again. Since God always was - even outside of time - nothingness never existed.
That is why the Bible can declare: in the beginning, there was God. (and not 'nothing')

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You forgot to post the part where you won.

Yes sir! I actually didn't say this I just felt the need to share.

Blessings :-)

Are people still believing in that whole god thing? I had hoped that that fad had finally passed..kinda like parachute pants..

Does a paramecium in a drop of water assume it sees the entire universe ?

What started the universe? Do not say the big bang or I will shoot you ;)


Last Edited by WarriorsOfTheLord on 06/28/2013 04:07 PM

It must be disturbing indeed that although it has been predicted since the very beginning of Christianity that this 'fad' will go away, it is still going strong.

Nice.

It's impossible to prove God exists. It's impossible to prove God does not exist. The agnostics have the correct point of view.

The problem I have with both the big bang and god is they're both something out of nothing.

label me a doubter. Until I see physical proof of either, I am not confident either exist or happen.

they're both humans justification for existence.

I'm no physicist, but I think the color blue would have a mass.

Ohh it does. One the things Einstein got right. But OP is still on the right track.

My wife and her whole family are full-on orthodox christians - go to church, cross themselves every time the see one if they go somewhere in a car, that sort of thing.

I'm the complete opposite of everything that they are. Makes for some great dinner parties now we've got over the "awkwardness" of having an atheist in their midst while they're toasting god and all the dead people, and so on.

I just sit there and tell them I think they're all mentally ill, and they think the same about me, lol!

They have some funny ideas about atheists, like they think I'm in league with the devil or something, and that I won't set foot in a church for some reason. I love going in old churches and cathedrals - fantastic places - but they seem to think that because I don't believe in god, that I must believe in some kind of anti-god. Sometimes I tell them I do, just to wind them up a bit.

Bonkers, the whole lot of them.

A Universe From Nothing.

Yeah sure, nothing you wrote can be proven but that's why it's called a belief system.

you may have "won" this debate, but you didnt prove anything either.

glad to hear there's at least one creationist in the UK

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bingo.

the best retort to my lack of faith, was I put my faith in science. It wasn't about what we know is wrong, just that I have 'faith' in science being right. Some things are fact, but the theories require faith... So to speak. Like, the big bang theory. Its a theory, not a fact... Yet.

Another example that women are traitors.

So if God can always have existed why can't the universe?

ME: Prove it.

How on earth does that qualify as an 'illogical' question? That sounds like a intellectually dishonest attempt to avoid admitting that you cannot answer the question because you have absolutely no idea.

Your basis of your argument is that things that exist needed to be created by something else that preceeded it. But when someone asks you how 'God' was created, you violate the basis of your argument by claiming that this rule no longer applies and that 'God' didn't need to be created and that something can just 'always exist' without ever needing to be created.

You use the law of causation for your argument when it's convenient for you but then claim that the law of causation no longer applies when you are asked to explain how something can exist without being created and with no prior cause that gave rise to it.

If you really want to 'win' the argument, just show some humility and admit that neither one of you are in a position to explain the true nature or origins of our existence. You're both only guessing and assuming that you know.

Prove that God Doesn't exist.....

He is invisible yet his works are seen everywhere

go outside and look at the sky.......

That is God

God Is Everywhere!

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The onus of proof is not on me, it is on you for making an assertion.

FLRW cosmology ( " Big Bang " ) is interesting in that it is mathematically consistent to something like .0000000000006 seconds from T = 0 ( The " start " )

Pretty good, imo.

There's an interesting conceptual corollary in the gnostic interpretations of the Hebrew alphabet, specifically the letter " iod/Yod " and it's place as the crown on the Tree of Life, representing the first emergent light, the Christ, the Ain Soph Aur.

The letter is drawn as a speck specifically to represent this concept.

When that light first emerges from the unknowable region, the unmanifested, that which is a state of non-existence, the first emergent light is the Christ, the ray of Okidanokh.

That dot is symbolized in the Tree of Life as Kether (Hebrew for the “crown”), the very first sphere on the Tree of Life. So Kether, the Father of the Father, the “crown of life,” is related with the letter Iod. It is the first manifestation of existence.

[link to gnosticteachings.org]

I think it's very interesting that the Fine Structure Constant shares the same number with the gematria value of the word " Kabbalah ", which itself has some insightful meanings.

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Godders always try to goad science with the taunt that "they can't prove stuff 100%" when the simple fact is that virtually nothing can be proven in totality especially topics like the beginning of the universe and evolution.
They continue to do this ignoring the absolute irony that there is zero in the way of empirical fact to prove a god exists or has ever existed whilst for both the topics I mentioned above they have a huge amount of evidence in their favour. If you could quantify them, you could guess that they are almost proven, only the details are needed now.
As yet there is no factual and irrefutable evidence whatsoever in favour of a god or gods.

So whilst I can never completely disprove the existence of a god I (or prove the non-existence as that's impossible) can say with 99.99r% certainty that there isn't and never has been one (or some).

Yawn.........just another exercise in looking for an ultimate method of coping.

Thats why the 9/11 WT7 clause is vital.