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Secret Keylogger Found in New Dell Computer - Dell, Police, and DHS All Refuse To Explain

 
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I was opening up my almost brand new Dell 600m laptop, to replace a broken PCMCIA slot riser on the motherboard. As soon as I got the keyboard off, I noticed a small cable running from the keyboard connection underneath a piece of metal protecting the motherboard.

I figured "No Big Deal", and continued with the dissasembly. But when I got the metal panels off, I saw a small white heatshink-wrapped package. Being ever-curious, I sliced the heatshrink open. I found a little circuit board inside.

Being an EE by trade, this piqued my curiosity considerably. On one side of the board, one Atmel AT45D041A four megabit Flash memory chip.

On the other side, one Microchip Technology PIC16F876 Programmable Interrupt Controller, along with a little Fairchild Semiconductor CD4066BCM quad bilateral switch.

Looking further, I saw that the other end of the cable was connected to the integrated ethernet board.

What could this mean? I called Dell tech support about it, and they said, and I quote, "The intregrated service tag identifier is there for assisting customers in the event of lost or misplaced personal information." He then hung up.

A little more research, and I found that that board spliced in between the keyboard and the ethernet chip is little more than a Keyghost hardware keylogger.

The reasons Dell would put this in thier laptops can only be left up to your imagination. It would be very impractical to hand-anylze the logs, and very CPU-intensive to do so on a computer for every person that purchased a dell laptop. Why are these keyloggers here? I recently almost found out.

I called the police, as having a keylogger unknown to me in my laptop is a serious offense. They told me to call the Department of Homeland Security. At this point, I am in disbelief. Why would the DHS have a keylogger in my laptop? It was surreal.

So I called them, and they told me to submit a Freedom of Information Act request. This is what I got back:

Click link to see pics and the response letter from DHS...

[link to virus.org.ua]

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This is what it looks like to be caught red handed ... lol
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unbelievable

wtf
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wow..
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for really sensitive stuff, boot linux os from a usb drive. You don't even need to have any HD at all to use it, and you'll also be able to get online.
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This machine was purchased directly from Dell? Not secondhand?
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The Dell keylogger conspiracy hoax

by Ryan Block, posted Jun 16th 2005 at 8:08PM

Just in case you've seen that web page floating around implicating Dell in some wacked out government conspiracy by suggesting they fit a 4mb keylogger between the keyboard end of some guy's 600m and the Ethernet adapter, we'd like to point out a few key bits, having been inside a Dell laptop or forty.

Dell laptop keyboards plug directly into the motherboard with a ribbon cable

He was inside to replace a broken PCMCIA slot riser on the motherboard? Uh, that's a guaranteed next-day mobo replacement on a "almost brand new Dell 600m"—not that you could, but why bother even if you knew how and had spare laptop motherboard parts?

We've never seen a zip-tied circuit board in professionally assembled machine

That device is far too massive to fit under the mobo of a Dell laptop

Awful blurry picture of where it's at in the machine!

Sorry dude, but we're calling major, major BS on this. Anyone care to prove us wrong and open up a huge can of civil rights violations?

Update: Looks like the hoaxster pulled the images from here. [Thanks, scim]

[link to www.engadget.com]


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Last Edited by IntoTheLight on 08/28/2013 05:16 PM
6 months UK then 6 months USA.

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Freemason Gov

Will be Freemason Gov

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Join the Anti American/British Freemason Party and boot out the Freemason Party in power in government now

vote them all out
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From the "Related Threads" below, it appears that Dell (at least) has been pulling this shit for over 8 years!

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Its time dell went out of business then and its competitors who don't commit acts of piracy and criminal behavior , specially on behalf of government, get all the business and profit, amen
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This is AT LEAST 8 years old. Just FYI..it didn't happen to OP lol

Still not proven it's true.

[link to www.tomshardware.com]

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OK, this has been revealed as a scaremongering bit of trolling.
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Hah, funny. It might be a good idea to check out any used equipment for stuff like this, though.
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Click link to see pics and the response letter from DHS...

[link to virus.org.ua]

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MalwareBytes blocked a malicious site @ 80.77.81.41

siren2 Proceed with Caution siren2
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Re: Secret Keylogger Found in New Dell Computer - Dell, Police, and DHS All Refuse To Explain
I suspect many laptops visiting repair centers had this modification done also. Are there hooks in Windows OS that poll the capture chip based upon IP address/MAC address and unique identifiers Microsoft assigns to your computer? Perhaps..

Just consider every manufactured computer and peripheral device is compromised after 2 years DHS became a entity.

Seek out legacy computers, old hardware and use a vintage unix or linux operating system with this older hardware if you desire more private computing experience.
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If this is a hoax, then the person also forged a letter from DHS...
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The Dell keylogger conspiracy hoax


[link to www.engadget.com]



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It' is not a hoax, it is old technology. This is how they USED to track everyone. Now-a-days, it must be much simpler.

I happen to know for a fact that at least 5 years ago there was a device you could point at a computer through a window from across the street, and a recreation of what was happening on that computer would appear on another computer connected to the device. No hardware required. Used laser line of sight.

I imagine by now that can be done by satellite.
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If this is a hoax, then the person also forged a letter from DHS...
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Dude you are really retarded.

Ever hear of them new fangled word processor thingeys? I hear they can type what ever you want.
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Im astonished that they would need a hardware key logger when all your information is already probed by the NSA or GCHQ and stored in Yotta-byte data centers for further analysis.
Every email every text message every phone call every thing you do or say on the internet.
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In case you all forgot what Snowden revealed.
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Apparently this is a few years old....
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If this is a hoax, then the person also forged a letter from DHS...
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Dude you are really retarded.

Ever hear of them new fangled word processor thingeys? I hear they can type what ever you want.
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The legal risk of forging DHS letterhead is pretty extreme just to create a hoax. The hoax would've been fine without the letter.
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Coming from the likes of you, that's like a 5 star confirmation of the OP's allegation.
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In case you all forgot what Snowden revealed.
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Ya think?
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Re: Secret Keylogger Found in New Dell Computer - Dell, Police, and DHS All Refuse To Explain
The Dell keylogger conspiracy hoax

by Ryan Block, posted Jun 16th 2005 at 8:08PM

Just in case you've seen that web page floating around implicating Dell in some wacked out government conspiracy by suggesting they fit a 4mb keylogger between the keyboard end of some guy's 600m and the Ethernet adapter, we'd like to point out a few key bits, having been inside a Dell laptop or forty.

Dell laptop keyboards plug directly into the motherboard with a ribbon cable

He was inside to replace a broken PCMCIA slot riser on the motherboard? Uh, that's a guaranteed next-day mobo replacement on a "almost brand new Dell 600m"—not that you could, but why bother even if you knew how and had spare laptop motherboard parts?

We've never seen a zip-tied circuit board in professionally assembled machine

That device is far too massive to fit under the mobo of a Dell laptop

Awful blurry picture of where it's at in the machine!

Sorry dude, but we're calling major, major BS on this. Anyone care to prove us wrong and open up a huge can of civil rights violations?

Update: Looks like the hoaxster pulled the images from here. [Thanks, scim]

[link to www.engadget.com]


speedbanan
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wow, sounds like someone talking out of their ass.

"Dell laptop keyboards plug directly into the motherboard with a ribbon cable"...yea, thats the point, there shouldnt be anything on the cable that connects the mainboard and keyboard.

"We've never seen a zip-tied circuit board in professionally assembled machine".....really?!?!? look harder

"That device is far too massive to fit under the mobo of a Dell laptop".......what are the dimensions of this device? you must know if you KNOW it wont fit.

"Awful blurry picture of where it's at in the machine!" i can see it just fine.

"He was inside to replace a broken PCMCIA slot riser on the motherboard? Uh, that's a guaranteed next-day mobo replacement on a "almost brand new Dell 600m"—not that you could, but why bother even if you knew how and had spare laptop motherboard parts?"....yes you can [link to www.youtube.com]

"Sorry dude, but we're calling major, major BS on this.".....How many computers have you built? Just because you dont understand it doesnt mean it isnt possible. To think otherwise is childish.
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maybe a hoax but the latest computers (Win8 ready) with UEFI motherboards did away with the BIOS chip and run a low lever OS before the regular OS boots (Windows, Linux, & Others)

this is definitely a security concern!

UEFI = Unified Extensible Firmware Interface
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wow op call fox news asap
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Oh please!!!

Next you're gonna say Michael Dell and the Pope are

jewi...oh wait...nevermind.





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