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Breaking: Senate Vote Passes

 
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Help me understand..

The republicans can shut down the government at this point?

That's alot of power? Am I right?

I'm trying to understand...
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Both parties are on the same corporate team. Nothing will be shut down. The agenda continues and we, divided and conquered, keep pulling at each others' faces over social non-issues. It's all a fucking act. Smoke and mirrors.
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"Senate votes 100-0 on procedural measure to move ahead on bill to fund government, unwind health care law - @AP"

Not one fucking nay from that lot of cretins.
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"Senate votes 100-0 on procedural measure to move ahead on bill to fund government, unwind health care law - @AP"

Not one fucking nay from that lot of cretins.
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Harry Reid will vet to make an amendment to the bill. He will remove the language that states obamacare ia to be defunded and it will only need 51 votes. There are 53 democrats so basically Passing tthis bill is passing to fund obama care
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"Senate votes 100-0 on procedural measure to move ahead on bill to fund government, unwind health care law - @AP"

Not one fucking nay from that lot of cretins.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 926633


Harry Reid will vet to make an amendment to the bill. He will remove the language that states obamacare ia to be defunded and it will only need 51 votes. There are 53 democrats so basically Passing tthis bill is passing to fund obama care
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At that point is goes back to congress to be voted on again…correct?
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what does it mean? they're gonna defund it or not? they confuse me sometimes with the way they word shit.
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It means they are voting for cloture, which means, they are going to fund Obamacare. Reid can now strip the defund part out, only need 51 votes to send that new bill to the House. In this particular vote, Senators who wanted to defund Obamacare should have voted NO.
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Vote to Fund FED.GOV but defund 0bamacare

60 Ayes as of right now, no Nays.
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"Senate votes 100-0 on procedural measure to move ahead on bill to fund government, unwind health care law - @AP"

Not one fucking nay from that lot of cretins.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 926633


Harry Reid will vet to make an amendment to the bill. He will remove the language that states obamacare ia to be defunded and it will only need 51 votes. There are 53 democrats so basically Passing tthis bill is passing to fund obama care
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4183623


This is the problem before us... Cloture means the measure can pass with 51 Aye votes, it will not require 60 Ayes as it should.

Now the question is, how will Harry Reid amend the bill before he calls the final vote? This is the fight which is brewing... and which Cruz was trying to prevent.
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what does it mean? they're gonna defund it or not?
they confuse me sometimes with the way they word shit.

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they are essentially voting to close debate, to allow for the
next vote UP or DOWN to support the House Bill to keep the
government funded but de-fund ObamaCare



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 Quoting: Bucephelus


NO. Voting for cloture in that vote, allows Reid to strip the defund part out, which he will do,, then vote on just the CR to fund the government, which the Democrats will do and be able to pass with only 51 votes instead of the 60 they would have needed if the vote went the other way. So, the Dems won this one because of spineless Republicans and traitor Dems. So now a new bill without the defund Obamacare language goes to the house for the House to vote on. House needs to put the language back in and send to Senate. Only thing, time is running out and government will have to shut down if they do this. I say, shut it down.
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someone jumped the gone on making and pinning this thread
 Quoting: Mr Oysterhead


^this^

They are voting for cloture, not approval of whatever Harry Reid pulls out of his ass.
 Quoting: Resister


Gotcha...so, the cloture vote was today, and they now only need 51 votes to pass an amended bill, correct?

If so, this sucks.
 Quoting: SaveUSa


Yes, that's right. It will then go back to the House for reconciliation. The House may then refuse to accept it and send back a demand for delay of Obamacare so this isn't over yet.

The really good thing is that this is getting high profile exposure and stiring up a lot of pissed off Americans.
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God help us all if this thing passes!

PS Loved the Harry Reid comment lol
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Help me understand..

The republicans can shut down the government at this point?

That's alot of power? Am I right?

I'm trying to understand...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28084171


And Obama and the Senate can prevent it. All they have to do is pass the bill the Republicans present to them, but they won't do it. That's alot of power isn't it? Shill.
The House controls the purse strings. The Republicans won the House therefore, they control the purse strings this time around. It's the Dems that are obstructing the will of the people in this round. Don't let the MSM tell(lie to)you otherwise.
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someone jumped the gone on making and pinning this thread
 Quoting: Mr Oysterhead


^this^

They are voting for cloture, not approval of whatever Harry Reid pulls out of his ass.
 Quoting: Resister


Gotcha...so, the cloture vote was today, and they now only need 51 votes to pass an amended bill, correct?

If so, this sucks.
 Quoting: SaveUSa


Yes, that's right. It will then go back to the House for reconciliation. The House may then refuse to accept it and send back a demand for delay of Obamacare so this isn't over yet.

The really good thing is that this is getting high profile exposure and stiring up a lot of pissed off Americans.
 Quoting: Resister


And showing the true colors of our RINO's....
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Help me understand..

The republicans can shut down the government at this point?

That's alot of power? Am I right?

I'm trying to understand...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28084171


Both parties are on the same corporate team. Nothing will be shut down. The agenda continues and we, divided and conquered, keep pulling at each others' faces over social non-issues. It's all a fucking act. Smoke and mirrors.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28558316


:this:
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this doesn't make any sense why are the democrats voting yes
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Great question! Anyone know?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28084171


because we do not have the real info op is guessing.
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Anyone still watching live?

The damn GALL of most of these democrats! This whole overtone of suppressing any opposition to the ACA is just astonishing.

Mocking Cruz and anyone who thinks like him...essentially telling any voice of reason to just sit down, shut up, and take it!

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Defund. sounds like if congress defunds then you and I and every other working class donkey has got to make up for the defunded part and fund it. Cuz besides the fact that they are playing the theatrical roles to keep our attention focused non something that will never be put into into action they will find a way to do what ever they want to us. Now shut up, and go get your flu shots and make sure you drink plenty of our flammable H20 before its all destroyed or they give it away to Nestley
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Notice how these bureaucrats fain shock at a possible govt. shutdown as though it were the apocalypse? There must be worse doom than govt.'s inability to spend like there's no tomorrow.
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this doesn't make any sense why are the democrats voting yes
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Great question! Anyone know?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28084171


because even traitors like keep receiving salary and maintaining their protection w/ tax payers' money better than obamacare?

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Notice how these bureaucrats fain shock at a possible govt. shutdown as though it were the apocalypse? There must be worse doom than govt.'s inability to spend like there's no tomorrow.
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what if those fuckers know there's indeed no tomorrow?

From their behavior in the past few years you can tell they are merely kicking the can further until the moment and they clearly know when that moment will arrive.
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Help me understand..

The republicans can shut down the government at this point?

That's alot of power? Am I right?

I'm trying to understand...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28084171


Both parties are on the same corporate team. Nothing will be shut down. The agenda continues and we, divided and conquered, keep pulling at each others' faces over social non-issues. It's all a fucking act. Smoke and mirrors.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28558316


:this:
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the corporate/government will alwys be funded the rest of us can go get fucked
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what does it mean? they're gonna defund it or not?
they confuse me sometimes with the way they word shit.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13248837
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they are essentially voting to close debate, to allow for the
next vote UP or DOWN to support the House Bill to keep the
government funded but de-fund ObamaCare



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 Quoting: Bucephelus


^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

It's a unanimous Yea vote... fight ON!


So either we are forced to implement 0bummercare, or we get a government shutdown... this is why the DEMs are in favor; they want to use their favorite SCARE TACTICS to rile up their ignorant voters. "Your government bennies will be cut off if the government shits down." is their claim - Chickie Schummer has already claimed this in his comments... now Harry Peter Reid, is beating the "Government Shutdown will be disastrous" drum...

More false dichotomy rhetoric is what it amounts to.
 Quoting: LT Prepper


Yep! They been playing this game for years! Offering up the lesser of two evils doesn't make it less evil!
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"Senate votes 100-0 on procedural measure to move ahead on bill to fund government, unwind health care law - @AP"

Not one fucking nay from that lot of cretins.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 926633


Harry Reid will vet to make an amendment to the bill. He will remove the language that states obamacare ia to be defunded and it will only need 51 votes. There are 53 democrats so basically Passing tthis bill is passing to fund obama care
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4183623


At that point is goes back to congress to be voted on again…correct?
 Quoting: YaRight


Not exactly. It will go back to the House for reconciliation which happens by committee not a full floor vote. This is how they got the unconstitutional monstrosity through in the first place. The Senate took an unrealted bill the House had already passed, threw everything out of it to create a shell of a bill that was already approved and sent it back for Nancy Pelosi to rubber stamp. The saving grace this time is that Boehner is not nearly as bad as Pelosi and may bat it right back with a demand to delay Obamacare like a tennis ball for the Senate to reconcider.
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Notice how these bureaucrats fain shock at a possible govt. shutdown as though it were the apocalypse? There must be worse doom than govt.'s inability to spend like there's no tomorrow.
 Quoting: Hard Eight


what if those fuckers know there's indeed no tomorrow?

From their behavior in the past few years you can tell they are merely kicking the can further until the moment and they clearly know when that moment will arrive.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47342726


Apparently the govt.'s ocean of cash may be the only thing keeping this turd of an economy afloat. Courtesy flush already.
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The lobbyists have essentially gamed the system. After all, they are the real rulers.
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Let those asstards pass it.

THEY do not have to participate, thus, we need to do likewise...DO NOT PARTICIPATE.
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Ok, if they fund Obamacare and I refuse to participate what are they gonna do ?
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Ok, if they fund Obamacare and I refuse to participate what are they gonna do ?
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You'll have a 'relationship' with the IRS.
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Vote to Fund FED.GOV but defund 0bamacare

60 Ayes as of right now, no Nays.
 Quoting: LT Prepper


This is simply a vote for a continuing resolution (I believe). They still have the ability to deliberate and amend the bill, and attempt to re-insert funding for ACA. The big vote is Saturday I think, because the Dems know that they may not have the 60 votes necessary to pass an amended bill (inclusive of Obamacare funding), so they will attempt cloture - which gives them the ability to amend with only 51 votes (I think)...
 Quoting: SaveUSa


This ^^





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