Why you pay taxes, it is voluntary, understand the nature of your voluntary consent.

you say that because you are in China. the IRS will get you jail if you do not pay taxes.

This lead in is perhaps old info to many, but it sets the stage for what follows, freedom from tax slavery, under the thumb of big banks. enjoy

When Congress borrows money on the credit of the United States, bonds are thus legislated into existence and deposited as credit entries in Federal Reserve banks. United States bonds, bills and notes constitute money as affirmed by the Supreme Court (Legal Tender Cases, 110 U.S. 421), and this money when deposited with the Fed becomes collateral from whence the Treasury may write checks against the credit thus created in its account (12 USC 391). For example, suppose Congress appropriates an expenditure of $1 billion. To finance the appropriation Congress creates the $1 billion worth of bonds out of thin air and deposits it with the privately owned Federal Reserve System. Upon receiving the bonds, the Fed credits $1 billion to the Treasury's checking account, holding the deposited bonds as collateral. When the United States deposits its bonds with the Federal Reserve System, private credit is extended to the Treasury by the Fed. Under its power to borrow money, Congress is authorized by the Constitution to contract debt, and whenever something is borrowed it must be returned. When Congress spends the contracted private credit, each use of credit is debt which must be returned to the lender or Fed. Since Congress authorizes the expenditure of this private credit, the United States incurs the primary obligation to return the borrowed credit, creating a National Debt which results when credit is not returned.

that's awesome until the IRS garnishes your wages or puts a lean on your house. Then you have to pay lawyer fees to fight it and will lose anyway. But good luck with that.

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How you get involved and become libel for taxes.

However, if anyone else accepts this private credit and uses it to purchase goods and services, the user voluntarily incurs the obligation requiring him to make a return of income whereby a portion of the income is collected by the IRS and delivered to the Federal Reserve banksters. Actually the federal income tax imparts two separate obligations: the obligation to file a return and the obligation to abide by the Internal Revenue Code. The obligation to make a return of income for using private credit is recognized in law as an irrecusable obligation, which according to 'Bouvier's Law Dictionary' (1914 ed.), is "a term used to indicate a certain class of contractual obligations recognized by the law which are imposed upon a person without his consent and without regard to any act of his own."

Nope, I personally know over 80 people currently doing this and have been doing it for over 4 years. Paying no taxes on there income when they redeem/exchange Federal reserve notes for treasury notes, lawful money of the US.

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In 'Brushaber v. Union Pacific RR Co.' 240 U.S. 1 (1916) the Supreme Court affirmed that the federal income tax is in the class of indirect taxes, which include duties and excises. The personal income tax arises from a duty -- i.e., charge or fee -- which is voluntarily incurred and subject to the rule of uniformity. A charge is a duty or obligation, binding upon him who enters into it, which may be removed or taken away by a discharge (performance): 'Bouvier', p. 459. Our federal personal income tax is not really a tax in the ordinary sense of the word but rather a burden or obligation which the taxpayer voluntarily assumes, and the burden of the tax falls upon those who voluntarily use private credit.

No matter where you are if you are a US citizen with income you are be subject to US taxes if you use private credit, not in China anyway. Stop showing your ignorance in regard to US citizens and tax liability.

Today, we have two competing monetary systems. The Federal Reserve System with its private credit and currency, and the public money system consisting of legal tender United States notes and coins. One could use the public money system, paying all bills with coins and United States notes (if the notes can be obtained), or one could voluntarily use the private credit system and thereby incur the obligation to make a return of income. Under 26 USC 7609 the IRS has carte blanche authority to summon and investigate bank records for the purpose of determining tax liabilities or discovering unknown taxpayers: 'United States v. Berg' 636 F.2d 203 (1980). If an investigation of bank records discloses an excess of $1000 in deposits in a single year, the IRS may accept this as prima facie evidence that the account holder uses private credit and is therefore a person obligated to make a return of income. Anyone who uses private credit -- e.g., bank accounts, credit cards, mortgages, etc. -- voluntarily plugs himself into the system and obligates himself to file. A taxpayer is allowed to claim a $1000 personal deduction when filing his return. The average taxpayer in the course of a year uses United States coins in vending machines, parking meters, small change, etc., and this public money must be deducted when computing the charge for using private credit.

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Congress has the power to abolish the Federal Reserve System and thus destroy the private credit system. However, the people have it within their power to strip the Fed of its powers, rescind private credit and get the bankers to pay off the National Debt should Congress fail to act. The key to all this is 12 USC 411, which declares that Federal Reserve notes shall be redeemed in lawful money at any Federal Reserve bank. Lawful money is defined as all the coins, notes, bills, bonds and securities of the United States: 'Julliard v. Greenman' 110 U.S. 421, 448 (1884); whereas public money is the lawful money declared by Congress as a legal tender for debts (31 USC 5103); 524 F.2d 629 (1974). Anyone can present Federal Reserve notes to any Federal Reserve bank and demand redemption in public money -- i.e., legal tender United States notes and coins. A Federal Reserve note is a fixed obligation or evidence of indebtedness which pledges redemption (12 USC 411) in public money to the note holder. The Fed maintains a ready supply of United States notes in hundred dollar denominations for redemption purposes should it be required, and coins are available to satisfy claims for smaller amounts. However, should the general public decide to redeem large amounts of private credit for public money, a financial melt-down within the Fed would quickly occur. The process works like this. Suppose $1000 in Federal Reserve notes are presented for redemption in public money. To raise $1000 in public money the Fed must surrender U.S. Bonds in that amount to the Treasury in exchange for the public money demanded (assuming that the Fed had no public money on hand). In so doing $1000 of the National Debt would be paid off by the Fed and thus canceled. Can you imagine the result if large amounts of Federal Reserve notes were redeemed on a regular, ongoing basis? Private credit would be withdrawn from circulation and replaced with public money, and with each turning of the screw the Fed would be obliged to pay off more of the National Debt. Should the Fed refuse to redeem its notes in public money, then the fiction that private credit is used voluntarily would become unsustainable. If the use of private credit becomes compulsory, then the obligation to make a return of income is voided. If the Fed is under no obligation to redeem its notes, then no one has an obligation to make a return of income. It is that simple! Federal Reserve notes are not money and cannot be tendered when money is demanded: 105 So. 305 (1925). Moreover, the Ninth Circuit rejected the argument that a $50 Federal Reserve note be redeemed in gold or silver coin after specie coinage had been rescinded but upheld the right of the note holder to redeem his note in current public money (31 USC 392; rev., 5103): 524 F.2d 629 (1974); 12 USC 411.

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Yeah dumbass, suck up on your constitution on your 'truth' about money.

Let me tell you a little about reality.

The IRS has guns, jails. You do not have guns, nor can you resist jail.

Whether lawful or not, whether money or federal reserve notes are real or not. That does not matter, if you don't pay the bullies with guns, you get arrested.

Do you really think this is the land of the free???????????????????????????????????????????????????

DUMBASS

I can only assume you work for them as fear tactics are one of there specialties. Nice try.

Check out my other thread. It gives the nuts and bolts of how to redeem Federal reserve note for lawful money

Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

Sorry does not work. Next time you are in the states try this and get back to me with the results, lol

Sure is, guess Wesley Snipes just volunteered to go to prison too...

Brief, did you bother to read the link, Snipes did not exchange redeem his federal reserve notes for treasury notes.

By using FRN's, private money, you owe the private company, the FED for the use of their money.

When the country was using treasury notes, before the FEDeral reserve came into existence. Taxes were declared unconstitutional. It was only after FRN's notes came into existence were taxes considered constitutional. The US constitution does not cover private contracts. There fore when you use some one else's private things, in this case money, you pay a use tax

Thanks OP. Similar to this:
[link to www.whatistaxed.com]
and this:
www.marcstevens.net

It sounds good in theory, but when there is a monopoly on violence it is intimidating to test these theories, but I definitely would like to see more people test the waters on this...

I always see these posts and have not yet seen one good explanation of what these people do to avoid paying taxes.

They always say, "use lawful money". That's it. No shit. How the fuck do you about getting lawful money?

I am involved with a group, 80 plus people, and we have been using this for over 4 years, no threats, no garnishments, no jail time, and no trials.

In reality you can't, but the mere fact that you demand it when depositing a check or cashing a check is enough to remove the tax liability. You must keep accurate records, Ie photo copies of the endorsed check cashed or for deposit, with the demand included in the endorsement area of the check.

It takes time but they will get you...

That's just retarded...

here is a sample of the correct endorsement


Redeemed in Lawful money
Pursuant to Title 12 USC §411
True name dba Legal name

True name= first, middle
legal name= first, middle and family name (last name)

fine with me Brief keep paying taxes, while I enjoy my tax free income. No sweat off my ass.

:alrightythen:

Haven't gotten me in 17 years. not going to happen now. lol

But based on your comments you haven't read the link as it clearly states the supreme court rulings in regard to taxes on private money verses public money. Or perhaps you just stupid. Sorry ignorance can be fixed stupid, well there is just no hope. I have seen your posts and I don't think your stupid, so I will assume you have not read the link.

you use your brain fuckstick. currency FLOATING around the US corp. are dual notes

Keep paying those taxes, slaves! Keep paying to have chemtrails dumped into the air to poison your lungs.

You are right OP!!!
Thing is, until we all band together and stop allowing the bullies to bully, we will continue on this path where they steal your wages.
When we band TOGETHER and just stop paying, this BS will STOP NOW!!!
These clowns don't mind paying half of their wages for taxes to fund wars. They don't have a clue!

Read the first page of my other thread about redeeming lawful money. it pretty well explains the process.

Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

Redeemed in Lawful money
Pursuant to Title 12 USC §411
True name dba Legal name

trust me, I have an understanding of the process of redemption