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Wow, so there really is NOTHING you can do in regards to a sociopath!

 
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An 18yr old is still a child. pick
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Fuckin Millenials. In the 1800's pioneers started families earlier than that, busted sod, raised crops and built a nation. These fuckin kids needs a size 12 boot up the ass and often. Tell that tated pierced ball shaving smart phone watching SOB to straighten up or he's gonna get his fuckin ass kicked all over fuckin the place!!!!!


AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!
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Sorry you're going through this OP. I am in almost the same boat as you. My stepson is a little older.

I am now permanently disabled due to the stepson.

His dad refused to get him help when he was younger, and now that he's an adult, there isn't much that can be done unless he actually does something so bad that the police get involved.

Of course his dad refused to call the police during the incident that injured me.

I wish I had good, solid advice to you other than just stay away from his as much as you can.

hf
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Sorry you're going through this OP. I am in almost the same boat as you. My stepson is a little older.

I am now permanently disabled due to the stepson.

His dad refused to get him help when he was younger, and now that he's an adult, there isn't much that can be done unless he actually does something so bad that the police get involved.

Of course his dad refused to call the police during the incident that injured me.

I wish I had good, solid advice to you other than just stay away from his as much as you can.

hf
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fuck that, I would have called the popo myself.
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Op sociopaths are not born, but creates when real love bonds are not made. Your partner helped create him, so you better make sure he does not fuck up the rest of his family. If he had to stable loving parents this thread would likely not exist.

I bet your husband or partner was too busy with his own life to be there for his son. You can not fix a sociopath and the best thing to do is remove them from your life. I would leave the husband and him to sort their lives out.

If you stay with this family you will have a life of misery.
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Yes. Raising family means more than putting a roof over their head and food on the table. Parents needs to code emotions and personalities into their children as well. IT'S THEIR FUCKING DUTY TO! Simply don't have kids if you're too immature to do this.
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That's why society used to have strict rules of behavior. So even the young, who used to have all the kids, knew how to raise the kids and had the support of society.

Today's Millenials are useless lumps of GMO HFCS flab ass pierced tatted genital shaved and obsessed smart phone watching assholes. They are no more mature than an eight year old.
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Just go on how cool it is to be human and wish he could relate but let him know that he can't because he is high functioning (a little too high functioning)
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Re: Wow, so there really is NOTHING you can do in regards to a sociopath!
18 year old step son,....bad bad bad....

in doing my research, I am discovering that there is very little you can do with a soul that has no conscience.


Now, how do I talk his father into dealing with this so that the rest of his family are protected?
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Kill him. Seriously if he's a sociopath he's just one more walking set of DNA that the human race does not need.
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18 year old step son,....bad bad bad....

in doing my research, I am discovering that there is very little you can do with a soul that has no conscience.


Now, how do I talk his father into dealing with this so that the rest of his family are protected?
 Quoting: Sireenie


Kill him. Seriously if he's a sociopath he's just one more walking set of DNA that the human race does not need.
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^ I found one.
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07/29/2014 12:45 PM
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There is a way to teach them some empathy. I've seen this happen to a sociopath, it required caring for another life like a dog. Do you have any pets?
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3 dogs and a cat.

He's good to the dogs, ignores the cat.

of course our dogs could kick his ass too.
 Quoting: Sireenie


this is very telling.

You said the dog could kick his ass, too.

You sound like you actually regard him as non threatening, a weakling, yet you act as though you are concerned about the 'safety' of the family.

This is how all intelligent bullies behave, they act like they are afraid of their victim.

not saying that, he is probably just your typical screwed up child.

yeah you are a hot young step mom, with an 18 year old step son, that has gotta be confusing.

Aren't there jerk qualities in your husband that attracted you though? why aren't his jerk qualities as attractive, just because he is younger and dumber? One day maybe his jerk qualities will blossom into a successful jerk aggression and he will figure out how to steal money legally.
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What the heck did you think was going to happen. This is text book behaviour and your own attitude is also textbook. You're trying to detach this man from his own child so you can feel secure in your own new relationship with him.
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THIS
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I stay in this relationship FOR my husband...I certainly am not in it for me.

I have NO security issues what so ever.

In fact I have done more for that boy in terms of teaching, guiding and loving than his own family.

I have had NUMEROUS conversations with my husband about his neglect to his son.

I understand it's easy to think you understand the situation but without actually personnally experiencing it, you haven't a clue.

His mother is experiencing this for the first time as she's staying with us until she gets her own place. She had no idea how bad it was until she's been personally victimized and seen with her own eyes and heart what her son is capable of.

And she sees he just doesn't care.
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18 year old step son,....bad bad bad....

in doing my research, I am discovering that there is very little you can do with a soul that has no conscience.


Now, how do I talk his father into dealing with this so that the rest of his family are protected?
 Quoting: Sireenie


And this diagnoses comes from whom?

While its true the sociopath can not be 'fixed', they can, with professional help, be given tools to work within society.

And it is not altogether true that sociopaths do not have a conscious, or for that matter feelings. Most have a conscious, just not to the degree non-sociopaths may have.


Protecting the rest of the family. Well, considering you don't know that there is a conscious residing in that soul, I think it is highly unlikely he will do something to endanger himself, which doing something to endanger others will lead to endangering self.

Sociopaths DO have a survival instinct which works very well, thank you.


Bad bad bad.... What does that mean? Are there certain behaviors that are problematic?

Then address the individual behaviors.

Understand he is 18... Most 18 year olds are at that point where they are partially legally an adult, but society still thinks they are children in many ways.

This kid has also gone through puberty, which is hell in and of itself throw any condition or disorder on that and you will pretty much have behavioral issues.

I assume that he has been diagnosed by a doctor. I would strongly suggest you visit the diagnosing doctor, or the currently one he sees and ask them what resources exist to get the kid help - that is if he even needs help.
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I stay in this relationship FOR my husband...I certainly am not in it for me.

I have NO security issues what so ever.

In fact I have done more for that boy in terms of teaching, guiding and loving than his own family.

I have had NUMEROUS conversations with my husband about his neglect to his son.

I understand it's easy to think you understand the situation but without actually personnally experiencing it, you haven't a clue.

His mother is experiencing this for the first time as she's staying with us until she gets her own place. She had no idea how bad it was until she's been personally victimized and seen with her own eyes and heart what her son is capable of.

And she sees he just doesn't care.
 Quoting: Sireenie



Father neglects the kid? And you expect to go to him for a solution? I fail to see the logic in this.


Now this brings to mind the potential that who ever diagnosed the kid may not have known of the home life situation.

Kids can't grow up right in the head if they are neglected... Is there other forms of abuse in this situation?

Mom and Dad divorced when? What happened with that? Typically mom gets the kid - what sort of situation took place back then?

Mind those are rhetorical questions. My point is that this kid has had other things in his life which may actually have more influence on his development.

The diagnosis of sociopath may actually be wrong. His behaviors may be the result of the neglect, a bad divorce, other situational things which impacted him growing up...

I think it may be time to seek another opinion on this particular diagnoses. With a psychologist, NOT a psychiatrist.

Psychologist will spend a few sessions with him, not just 15 minutes. And with something like this, a doctor is going to need to spend time with him to figure out what could be the influencing factor.
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I'm not doubting your amateur diagnosis but think it's also possible he is still an angry and confused child without full adult reasoning capacity.

Just because he is 18 doesn't mean his brain is fully developed yet. In young men, it happens in their early 20's.

I'd say hope for the best and remove opportunities for him to hurt you or anyone else. Try to structure his environment and relationships so that it is easier for him to do the right things much the way you would with a small child.

I haven't read every entry you've made in the thread but have yet to see any specific examples of what you say is sociopathic behavior.
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Hmmm, i betcha shes bangn one of them....
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So feel for you. Let me tell you it is hard. My son was just like this. I don't want to drag out a long story, but it was at the point where my husband and I would lock ourselves and our 3 other kids in our room because we didn't know what he was going to do. We kicked him out the day he turned 18. I could go on and on about the things we did, help we got him, diagnosis, etc... But I won't bore you all. My husband is his step father. If I had been him, I would have left me. It was that bad. To make a long story short, he is 34 now, married and has two beautiful daughters. Is an amazing father and husband. Hope this helps. We thought he'd end up dead or in prison. Sometimes life is ok.
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So feel for you. Let me tell you it is hard. My son was just like this. I don't want to drag out a long story, but it was at the point where my husband and I would lock ourselves and our 3 other kids in our room because we didn't know what he was going to do. We kicked him out the day he turned 18. I could go on and on about the things we did, help we got him, diagnosis, etc... But I won't bore you all. My husband is his step father. If I had been him, I would have left me. It was that bad. To make a long story short, he is 34 now, married and has two beautiful daughters. Is an amazing father and husband. Hope this helps. We thought he'd end up dead or in prison. Sometimes life is ok.
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Kicking him out was probably the beginning of his turning point. Having those closest to him being forced to shut him out.

Congratulation on a success story and that does fill me with hope...especially after all the other experiences shared.
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Re: Wow, so there really is NOTHING you can do in regards to a sociopath!
Have him beaten up by someone. A good kicking should sort him out.
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Or just make him resentful and angry.
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Ya,then a killer. Don't go down that road.
He needs to be put into an extreme emotional stressed situation whereby seeing the harm he is by not seeing all sides of a situation.
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Re: Wow, so there really is NOTHING you can do in regards to a sociopath!
everyone is always so quick to point to the parents when a person is a socio/psycho path

i don't know.

the one sociopath i had constant contact with had lots of other quite normal siblings that were raised in the exact same home by the exact same parents.

imo, my sociopath had a fever or was dropped on her head. that is my theory.

i don't think she was born "bad" or was made "bad" by her situation. i think it was a physical thing.
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No contact, only way.
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Re: Wow, so there really is NOTHING you can do in regards to a sociopath!
My adopted (at age six) daughter had all kinds of diagnoses, including Reactive Attachment Disorder (the "kid" form of Antisocial Personality Disorder, the "real" name for sociopathy); and before I continue, some kids with RAD go on to develop APD, but not all. We tried everything we could reasonably do to get her to be "normal", but nothing worked. When she made the choice to move out at age 18 -- we made it a condition that for her to continue to live with us that she had to stay in school and do what was required to at least got her high school diploma "on time" -- although we hated her choice to leave, it nevertheless felt like an enormous load had been lifted. Things had been so bad between us, that when she left and said she never wanted to see us again, believe me, the feeling was mutual.

Then, after moving back in with her drug-addicted (meth and cocaine) bio mom and living the white trash lifestyle for a few months, and getting arrested a couple of times, and living with a succession of low-lifes, and having a baby out of wedlock with one of them (a felon, no less), she contacted us two years ago when she was 21, saying she was so sorry for the hell she had put us through, did not realize how good she had it with us, etc., etc., etc. We have now re-established a relationship (long distance though it is) to the point that she has visited us for a few days about six times in the past two years. She still continues to make bad choices, in our opinion, but she is not nearly the COMPLETELY self-centered, manipulative, hateful, mean, destructive, thieving, and compulsive liar she was -- or, at least, she appears to have changed. ("Sociopaths", as most of you know, are very good manipulators and VERY good actors!)

So was she really a "sociopath" and/or is she still a sociopath? I honestly don't know. However, we still don't trust her and probably won't for many years, if ever. (Yes, she was that bad.)

So, regarding your stepson, the only advice I can give is to protect yourself whatever it takes, TRY to have him booted out of your house (and the military MIGHT be a good choice for him, btw),and just hope that a few hard knocks from being on his own might "wake him up", like it did -- MAYBE -- my daughter.





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