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User ID: 70204004 United States 09/10/2015 04:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UPDATE: BY AN ELECTRICIAN/ USA TODAY obtained news about our Nation's power grid. If this information is true, how have we avoided a blackout? My question is: if all of this is true, then why has this Country kept from having a Nationwide blackout? Quoting: ^^Mountain Woman^^ Because its typical main stream media fear mongering bullshit hype. So when they INTENTIONALLY pull the plug the last thing the sheep will remember is "hackers" and "jhadist". Then the satanic us government can claim another innocent nation is to blame so they will have a reason to invade, murder and destroy the rest of the middle east. Do you really think that with all the advanced technology this shit hole government has, they cant secure their cyber networks from hackers? This is a fucking joke. If they "hacked" it over 100 times without fucking anything up then why dont they fucking fix it so they cant do it again? Pfffff...propaganda "Real eyes realize real lies" |
**Watcher**
User ID: 63588920 United States 09/10/2015 04:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UPDATE: BY AN ELECTRICIAN/ USA TODAY obtained news about our Nation's power grid. If this information is true, how have we avoided a blackout? Not sure if you are familiar with Perry Stone. He is an advocate for what the Bible describes as the "catching away" of God's People. He believes this event, when it happens, will cause a global blackout (imagine the force it would take to raise all the dead in the world...EMP style). Like him, I believe that is why our governments and news agency are always warning of power failure from... solar flare EMP cyberattack Pick your poison... Because the last thing they want anyone thinking when the power goes down worldwide, or in waves possibly, is that it had anything to do with God. I am just throwing this out there! I know our aging infrastructure is bound to give out at a moments notice and we should be prepared for any of the above to leave us without a power supply. I just think that if the power goes out where you live at the same time as what appears to be mass graves opening and the disappearance of all the innocent and God's people, don't believe the talking heads when they try to convince everyone it was a cyber attack! "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:9 "It will be good for those servants whose master finds them WATCHING when he comes..."Luke 12:37 <"}}}>< (me) ><{{{"> <"}}}>< |
T-1000 User ID: 63719907 United States 09/10/2015 04:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UPDATE: BY AN ELECTRICIAN/ USA TODAY obtained news about our Nation's power grid. If this information is true, how have we avoided a blackout? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70258596 United States 09/10/2015 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UPDATE: BY AN ELECTRICIAN/ USA TODAY obtained news about our Nation's power grid. If this information is true, how have we avoided a blackout? How can you avoid continually posting ridiculous "news" stories that never pan out and are always based on fear and worry? Everyone knows how to read drudge. Nothing original here. Just re-posting "news" with no original thought or discussion. Have fun with your life of fear & loathing. 1 start for continuous unoriginality and doom spam. [link to www.usatoday.com] Quoting: ^^Mountain Woman^^ USA TODAY has obtained through the Freedom of Information Act dire news about ongoing cyber attacks within the Department of Energy. The cyber attacks have enabled a breach of information, but most dire of all is the hacker obtains the ability to do anything within the Department of Energy. The Power Grid is a sitting duck, and we have to accept we could lose everything due to this fact. It could happen anytime, and we can only imagine what our world will be like. For those of you off the grid, you should be proud of yourselves, and please pray for those of us still in the system. What I do not understand is how have we avoided a Nationwide blackout thus far...that is if it can happen so easily? LINK: Cyber attackers successfully compromised the security of U.S. Department of Energy computer systems more than 150 times between 2010 and 2014, according to a review of federal records obtained by USA TODAY. Incident reports submitted by federal officials and contractors since late 2010 to the Energy Department's Joint Cybersecurity Coordination Center shows a near-consistent barrage of attempts to breach the security of critical information systems that contain sensitive data about the nation's power grid, nuclear weapons stockpile and energy labs. The records, obtained by USA TODAY through the Freedom of Information Act, show DOE components reported a total of 1,131 cyberattacks over a 48-month period ending in October 2014. Of those attempted cyber intrusions, 159 were successful |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69619035 United States 09/10/2015 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UPDATE: BY AN ELECTRICIAN/ USA TODAY obtained news about our Nation's power grid. If this information is true, how have we avoided a blackout? There is a pretty easy fix for that. Quoting: G. House Seems to me to be a no-brainer. If this is any problem at all especially at nuclear plants... WHY are the systems connected to the internet in the first place? Can't hack it from the internet if it isn't hooked up to the internet. Apparently most of the people that run anything important in this country are idiots! They need to have these systems completely stand alone and heavily shielded from EMP. And I say that because anyone with half a brain knows that a Carrington-like event is going to happen sooner or later. Unless it's because they full well know that if another Carrington-like event happens we are all doomed anyway. Think about it, all the nuke plants will melt down, hundreds of Fukushima-like events. Sure, many will survive such an event short term and possibly long term. But what will fail at a relatively low threshold is the human races ability to reproduce. And just about everything else on the planet. This makes me so mad...they don't care. They will go into seclusion and come out when everyone else is dead. There will be nothing to come out to. If a Carrington event happened, and all Nuke power plants melted down around the world, The elite will reemerge into a radioactive waste land. Truthfully though, they may as well stay underground and become the Morlocks that they are. |
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User ID: 69937630 United States 09/10/2015 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UPDATE: BY AN ELECTRICIAN/ USA TODAY obtained news about our Nation's power grid. If this information is true, how have we avoided a blackout? That was one of the best videos on TEOTWAWKI I have seen. Thanks for posting it Mountain Woman. By the way preppercamp.com check that out for a line up of speakers this month. I am not a real conspiracy theorist I just play one online. (and i ain't that good)(not Taylor swift bad more like Coldplay) |
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User ID: 19824003 Canada 09/10/2015 06:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UPDATE: BY AN ELECTRICIAN/ USA TODAY obtained news about our Nation's power grid. If this information is true, how have we avoided a blackout? The one fortunate reality is that most of the electrical infrastructure is decades old and and has very poorly integrated network connectivity at best. Perhaps we should applaud the obsolescence as the Commander Adama solution. ;-) Stellarcomposite |
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User ID: 58458367 United States 09/10/2015 07:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UPDATE: BY AN ELECTRICIAN/ USA TODAY obtained news about our Nation's power grid. If this information is true, how have we avoided a blackout? Just a little bit about me. I started out my career. 40 years ago working in the transmission, distribution, construction, part of a very large company I worked my way all the way up to superintendent. I was there when they started changing out the breakers and the switching gear From Oil circuit breakersTo vacuum breakers, starting at 300 A up to 1200 A. I do not think that getting onto the web and getting into a switching yard center will totally screw everything up. So let's say they get into the power grid through the web and turn things off. If that happens, it can be just for a day or two. I do not know how to say this, but there's other ways, shutting down the grid for weeks may be even months, but I do not think the Internet would be that big problem because you can clear it and bypass it and man all the substations With switchman. Something to think about. You all live on the end of the extension cord. You need electricity to make gasoline and diesel, without it, you will not have any. 98% of all water is pumped With electric motors Those are three things, and you can go on and on. |
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User ID: 51176435 United States 09/10/2015 07:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UPDATE: BY AN ELECTRICIAN/ USA TODAY obtained news about our Nation's power grid. If this information is true, how have we avoided a blackout? It made sense since the lights are still on. If it could be hacked...it would've been hacked already. Think of all the people out there that would get in line to shut off the power in the US. It is still very vulnerable to a ton of other things and still worth having some prep for. Last Edited by Dr.Hill on 09/10/2015 07:50 PM |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 59866150 United States 09/10/2015 07:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UPDATE: BY AN ELECTRICIAN/ USA TODAY obtained news about our Nation's power grid. If this information is true, how have we avoided a blackout? Just a little bit about me. I started out my career. 40 years ago working in the transmission, distribution, construction, part of a very large company I worked my way all the way up to superintendent. Quoting: polewalker I was there when they started changing out the breakers and the switching gear From Oil circuit breakersTo vacuum breakers, starting at 300 A up to 1200 A. I do not think that getting onto the web and getting into a switching yard center will totally screw everything up. So let's say they get into the power grid through the web and turn things off. If that happens, it can be just for a day or two. I do not know how to say this, but there's other ways, shutting down the grid for weeks may be even months, but I do not think the Internet would be that big problem because you can clear it and bypass it and man all the substations With switchman. Something to think about. You all live on the end of the extension cord. You need electricity to make gasoline and diesel, without it, you will not have any. 98% of all water is pumped With electric motors Those are three things, and you can go on and on. Thank you so much for such a great post. Life is very fragile, and we live in a very delicate world. Each day that we have fresh water to drink, electrical appliances, and a normal functioning exchange with the world is a blessed event. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 59866150 United States 09/10/2015 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UPDATE: BY AN ELECTRICIAN/ USA TODAY obtained news about our Nation's power grid. If this information is true, how have we avoided a blackout? I don't think you can hack the inner workings of the power grid. I read somewhere(that I wish I could find again) that all the main components are offline and you cannot gain remote access. Quoting: Dr.Hill It maid sense since the lights are still on. If it could be hacked...it would've been hacked already. Think of all the people out there that would get in line to shut off the power in the US. It is still very vulnerable to a ton of other things and still worth having some prep for. Very well said, Dr. Hill. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67285741 United States 09/10/2015 07:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UPDATE: BY AN ELECTRICIAN/ USA TODAY obtained news about our Nation's power grid. If this information is true, how have we avoided a blackout? China intends to oust dollar from oil trade Published time: 8 Sep, 2015 13:52Edited time: 8 Sep, 2015 14:22 China is planning to launch its own oil benchmark in October, similar to Brent and WTI, striving for a more important role in establishing crude prices. Unlike the Western benchmarks, the Chinese contracts will be nominated in the yuan, not the US dollar. Shanghai International Energy Exchange sent a draft futures contract to market players in August, Reuters reported quoting sources. Oil futures will be the first Chinese contract to permit direct participation of foreign investors. However, this is not the first step for greater oil market openness in China. In July, Beijing allowed private companies to import crude. Previously importing was only done by state-run majors such as Sinopec, China National Petroleum Corporation and China National Offshore Oil Corporation, the Xinhua news agency reported. A Shanghai-based contract will compete in the crude futures market, which is worth of trillions of dollars and is dominated by two contracts, London’s Brent, seen as the global benchmark, and WTI, the key U.S. price. North Sea, Brent oil was first developed in the 1970s. The ICE Brent futures contract was developed in 1988. With an approximate output of only 1 million barrels per day, this blend is considered a benchmark and its contracts are now used to set prices for roughly 2/3 of the world’s oil. More… |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70290414 Ireland 09/10/2015 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UPDATE: BY AN ELECTRICIAN/ USA TODAY obtained news about our Nation's power grid. If this information is true, how have we avoided a blackout? There is a pretty easy fix for that. Quoting: G. House Seems to me to be a no-brainer. If this is any problem at all especially at nuclear plants... WHY are the systems connected to the internet in the first place? Can't hack it from the internet if it isn't hooked up to the internet. Apparently most of the people that run anything important in this country are idiots! They need to have these systems completely stand alone and heavily shielded from EMP. And I say that because anyone with half a brain knows that a Carrington-like event is going to happen sooner or later. Unless it's because they full well know that if another Carrington-like event happens we are all doomed anyway. Think about it, all the nuke plants will melt down, hundreds of Fukushima-like events. Sure, many will survive such an event short term and possibly long term. But what will fail at a relatively low threshold is the human races ability to reproduce. And just about everything else on the planet. This is where 40 years of affirmative action hiring puts you.. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 59866150 United States 09/11/2015 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UPDATE: BY AN ELECTRICIAN/ USA TODAY obtained news about our Nation's power grid. If this information is true, how have we avoided a blackout? UPDATE: THIS IS AN UPDATE FROM AN ELECTRICAL SUPERINTENDENT OF A BIG MILL: What people call the GRID is a collaboration of all power companies tied to each other that forms a National Grid. If one power company for instance is doing maintenance on one of their generation plants, they will be buying power from another power company. Consumers don't realize that their power could be coming from a thousand miles away. The power companies also have the ability to disconnect from the GRID. If you say one of CON-ED'S main power producers has a major fault and goes down, they will pull a lot of power from say DUKE ENERGY or GEORGIA POWER, which will then put a strain on those two. So they have to have a way to disconnect that major power puller before their voltage drops too low. This is called a BROWN-OUT. The power companies have the means to disconnect from the GRID before they, too, experience a black-out due to excess pull. These breakers that can disconnect or connect to the GRID are now automated where it used to be human operators had to watch the power pull constantly and had to manually disconnect. That could be either good or bad depending on who has access to the programs that operate these main breakers now. It is possible that a hacker could get into the big power companies' logic controllers and cause havoc. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 59866150 United States 09/11/2015 04:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: UPDATE: BY AN ELECTRICIAN/ USA TODAY obtained news about our Nation's power grid. If this information is true, how have we avoided a blackout? UPDATE: THIS IS AN UPDATE FROM AN ELECTRICAL SUPERINTENDENT OF A BIG MILL: Quoting: ^^Mountain Woman^^ What people call the GRID is a collaboration of all power companies tied to each other that forms a National Grid. If one power company for instance is doing maintenance on one of their generation plants, they will be buying power from another power company. Consumers don't realize that their power could be coming from a thousand miles away. The power companies also have the ability to disconnect from the GRID. If you say one of CON-ED'S main power producers has a major fault and goes down, they will pull a lot of power from say DUKE ENERGY or GEORGIA POWER, which will then put a strain on those two. So they have to have a way to disconnect that major power puller before their voltage drops too low. This is called a BROWN-OUT. The power companies have the means to disconnect from the GRID before they, too, experience a black-out due to excess pull. These breakers that can disconnect or connect to the GRID are now automated where it used to be human operators had to watch the power pull constantly and had to manually disconnect. That could be either good or bad depending on who has access to the programs that operate these main breakers now. It is possible that a hacker could get into the big power companies' logic controllers and cause havoc. |