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Anonymous Coward User ID: 59156600 United States 10/05/2015 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Jesus rejected two common ways of responding to injustice: violent resistance and passive acceptance. Instead, Jesus advocated a "third way," an assertive but non-violent form of protest. Quoting: Doomy Tunes The key to understanding Wink's argument is rigorous attention to the social customs of the Jewish homeland in the first century and what these sayings would have meant in that context. To illustrate with the saying about turning the other cheek: it specifies that the person has been struck on the right cheek. How can you be struck on the right cheek? As Wink emphasizes, you have to act this out in order to get the point: you can be struck on the right cheek only by an overhand blow with the left hand, or with a backhand blow from the right hand. (Try it). But in that world, people did not use the left hand to strike people. It was reserved for "unseemly" uses. Thus, being struck on the right cheek meant that one had been backhanded with the right hand. Given the social customs of the day, a backhand blow was the way a superior hit an inferior, whereas one fought social equals with fists. This means the saying presupposes a setting in which a superior is beating a peasant. What should the peasant do? "Turn the other cheek." What would be the effect? The only way the superior could continue the beating would be with an overhand blow with the fist--which would have meant treating the peasant as an equal. Perhaps the beating would not have been stopped by this. But for the superior, it would at the very least have been disconcerting: he could continue the beating only by treating the peasant as a social peer. As Wink puts it, the peasant was in effect saying, "I am your equal. I refuse to be humiliated anymore." That is not all. The sayings about "going the second mile" and "giving your cloak to one who sues you for your coat" make a similar point: they suggest creative non-violent ways of protesting oppression. ... [link to dharmagates.org] What a load of horseshit! If he turned the other cheek he'd be exposing his left cheek which could easily be slapped with the palm of the right hand! No, morans, you are being told to ask for a beating! This is shit advice & belongs in the toilet! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70394648 United States 10/05/2015 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What a long winded and inaccurate description of the saying. I'm pretty sure it just means not seeking out revenge. People have a serious issue with revenge over little injustices. It means be the bigger and better person. Don't stoop to a lower persons level. |
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(OP) User ID: 56427994 United States 10/05/2015 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... he could continue the beating only by treating the peasant as a social peer. As Wink puts it, the peasant was in effect saying, "I am your equal. I refuse to be humiliated anymore." That is not all. The sayings about "going the second mile" and "giving your cloak to one who sues you for your coat" make a similar point: they suggest creative non-violent ways of protesting oppression. ... [link to dharmagates.org] Quoting: Doomy Tunes What a load of horseshit! If he turned the other cheek he'd be exposing his left cheek which could easily be slapped with the palm of the right hand! No, morans, you are being told to ask for a beating! This is shit advice & belongs in the toilet! Really He's saying, give them a hard time, by making them hit you as an equal. You have to understand it in context. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29883590 United States 10/05/2015 12:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are to demonstrate goodness by not resorting to physical retaliation which would make you no better than the goon that hit you. Same as loving your enemies. If you only love friends and family, you are no better than Satan or any pagan. They love their families, but noone else. |
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(OP) User ID: 60228948 United States 10/05/2015 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What a long winded and inaccurate description of the saying. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70394648 I'm pretty sure it just means not seeking out revenge. People have a serious issue with revenge over little injustices. It means be the bigger and better person. Don't stoop to a lower persons level. "Give them your cloak also" demonstrates the point even better. By doing so you would be left naked which was an embarrassment to them. They caused a bad out-come. The likely result may be that you'll get to keep your shirt. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70368042 United States 10/05/2015 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Jesus rejected two common ways of responding to injustice: violent resistance and passive acceptance. Instead, Jesus advocated a "third way," an assertive but non-violent form of protest. Quoting: Doomy Tunes The key to understanding Wink's argument is rigorous attention to the social customs of the Jewish homeland in the first century and what these sayings would have meant in that context. To illustrate with the saying about turning the other cheek: it specifies that the person has been struck on the right cheek. How can you be struck on the right cheek? As Wink emphasizes, you have to act this out in order to get the point: you can be struck on the right cheek only by an overhand blow with the left hand, or with a backhand blow from the right hand. (Try it). But in that world, people did not use the left hand to strike people. It was reserved for "unseemly" uses. Thus, being struck on the right cheek meant that one had been backhanded with the right hand. Given the social customs of the day, a backhand blow was the way a superior hit an inferior, whereas one fought social equals with fists. This means the saying presupposes a setting in which a superior is beating a peasant. What should the peasant do? "Turn the other cheek." What would be the effect? The only way the superior could continue the beating would be with an overhand blow with the fist--which would have meant treating the peasant as an equal. Perhaps the beating would not have been stopped by this. But for the superior, it would at the very least have been disconcerting: he could continue the beating only by treating the peasant as a social peer. As Wink puts it, the peasant was in effect saying, "I am your equal. I refuse to be humiliated anymore." That is not all. The sayings about "going the second mile" and "giving your cloak to one who sues you for your coat" make a similar point: they suggest creative non-violent ways of protesting oppression. ... [link to dharmagates.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61868562 United States 10/05/2015 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. It does not. If our Christian forefathers had believed that false interpretation we would have never had the Revolutionary War. The same goes for the "render unto Caesar" lie. This is what the "Judeo-Christianity" of today teaches. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 60189563 United States 01/05/2017 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Jesus rejected two common ways of responding to injustice: violent resistance and passive acceptance. Instead, Jesus advocated a "third way," an assertive but non-violent form of protest. Quoting: Doomy Tunes The key to understanding Wink's argument is rigorous attention to the social customs of the Jewish homeland in the first century and what these sayings would have meant in that context. To illustrate with the saying about turning the other cheek: it specifies that the person has been struck on the right cheek. How can you be struck on the right cheek? As Wink emphasizes, you have to act this out in order to get the point: you can be struck on the right cheek only by an overhand blow with the left hand, or with a backhand blow from the right hand. (Try it). But in that world, people did not use the left hand to strike people. It was reserved for "unseemly" uses. Thus, being struck on the right cheek meant that one had been backhanded with the right hand. Given the social customs of the day, a backhand blow was the way a superior hit an inferior, whereas one fought social equals with fists. This means the saying presupposes a setting in which a superior is beating a peasant. What should the peasant do? "Turn the other cheek." What would be the effect? The only way the superior could continue the beating would be with an overhand blow with the fist--which would have meant treating the peasant as an equal. Perhaps the beating would not have been stopped by this. But for the superior, it would at the very least have been disconcerting: he could continue the beating only by treating the peasant as a social peer. As Wink puts it, the peasant was in effect saying, "I am your equal. I refuse to be humiliated anymore." That is not all. The sayings about "going the second mile" and "giving your cloak to one who sues you for your coat" make a similar point: they suggest creative non-violent ways of protesting oppression. ... [link to dharmagates.org] In context, Jesus was speaking to people living in the 1st century AD. |
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User ID: 65242103 United States 01/05/2017 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It means to stand your ground and not to grovel and apologize. AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM: KICKING ASS, KILLING NAZIS, KILLING COMMIES, MAKING BABIES, BUILDING CITIES, EXPLORING SPACE, GOING TO THE MOON, AND PUTTING THE "CIVIL" IN CIVILIZATION SINCE 1776! ****************************** But I tell you this man, I tell you this, I carry an aura of "fuck you" everywhere I go and while I may not cause scenes I can sure as hell continue them and escalate them but good. ****************************** There is going to be a second revolution folks. Count on it - and it will be the citizens against the government. It will be damn bloody. It will be a war of attrition. It will result in over 100 million dead. The heavy handedness of the government - the fascists in code enforcement and animal control especially - have brought this upon themselves. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70995709 United States 01/05/2017 04:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What a long winded and inaccurate description of the saying. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70394648 I'm pretty sure it just means not seeking out revenge. People have a serious issue with revenge over little injustices. It means be the bigger and better person. Don't stoop to a lower persons level. Excellent. And it also means that the law will Judge and to love thy neighbor as thyself. Your mind and all the events and everything you see hear smell touch taste and do are all recordedIn your life book. (Brain) . You get away with nothing. From the dust man came...... And from the dust man shall return. Then...... The judgement. And the only way to escape that....... Is Jesus. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73732473 El Salvador 01/05/2017 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. It does not. If our Christian forefathers had believed that false interpretation we would have never had the Revolutionary War. The same goes for the "render unto Caesar" lie. This is what the "Judeo-Christianity" of today teaches. lol they weren't christian. They were gnostics. |
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