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Ok, Bloody Mary. Let's burn the heretics.

The RCC is evil, they revel in debauchery and are greedy mother'effers. You know nothing.

The reformers were saviors.

The "authority" of the church? The church is composed of sinners, mere mortals, they have no real authority. The criminal history of the Papacy is well known. Pure evil.

I better watch it. You might have me burned for heresy.
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The Catholic Church never burned anyone. Catholic rulers may have, the same as Protestant rulers. John Calvin's Geneva executed people for heresy. So pointing to executions doesn't show anything since both sides did.

So the Apostles, mere men, had no authority? Then why do you read their works? Why do you read their Gospels and Epistles? Also, the charge you make is the same as the religious rulers about Jesus. They said he was a mere man who had no authority. But Jesus said to the Apostles, as the Father sent me so I send you. Jesus gave them authority and expected it to be handed on.

Popes may have done bad things, but that doesn't take away their authority nor mean they taught error. Sts. Peter and Paul also sinned. That didn't mean we get to ignore their authority.
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Jesuitsayswhat?
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Just as Jesus was handed over by His people, the jews, to be killed by secular authorities, the same was done throughout history.

Peter denied Jesus "thrice before the cock crowed," but the succession was not denied him (because he felt shame at his behavior), "thou art peter, and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against her."


Christians should not fight among themselves.
It weakens all of christendom.
We have a heritage in common.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73155519


Yes you do have a heritage in common with those professing to know Christ but in works deny Him (arneomai:contradict): you all worship a different Jesus and will all one day hear, 'Away from Me, I never knew you.'

The elect Will hear and come out of her, My people!
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Sincerely want to know- when Christ says there would be 'few' that would enter in at the strait gate. Few is the word oligos and it means puny. Catholics comprise nearly 1/5 of the world's population- how in the world does that qualify as puny??!

Strait/narrow is thlebo meaning tribulation. Not talking about self flagellation, actual hatred from the majority- the non few. Catholics comprising nearly 1/5 of the world's population can not say they are subject to hatred and rejection as was Christ by the religious leaders (sorta like Catholic leaders, eh)
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The Catholic Church never burned anyone. Catholic rulers may have, the same as Protestant rulers. John Calvin's Geneva executed people for heresy. So pointing to executions doesn't show anything since both sides did.

So the Apostles, mere men, had no authority? Then why do you read their works? Why do you read their Gospels and Epistles? Also, the charge you make is the same as the religious rulers about Jesus. They said he was a mere man who had no authority. But Jesus said to the Apostles, as the Father sent me so I send you. Jesus gave them authority and expected it to be handed on.

Popes may have done bad things, but that doesn't take away their authority nor mean they taught error. Sts. Peter and Paul also sinned. That didn't mean we get to ignore their authority.
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Jesuitsayswhat?
 Quoting: Deplorable B@Z


Just as Jesus was handed over by His people, the jews, to be killed by secular authorities, the same was done throughout history.

Peter denied Jesus "thrice before the cock crowed," but the succession was not denied him (because he felt shame at his behavior), "thou art peter, and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against her."


Christians should not fight among themselves.
It weakens all of christendom.
We have a heritage in common.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73155519


Yes you do have a heritage in common with those professing to know Christ but in works deny Him (arneomai:contradict): you all worship a different Jesus and will all one day hear, 'Away from Me, I never knew you.'

The elect Will hear and come out of her, My people!
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If your cause is to spread the gospel so that anyone may have the chance of salvation through Jesus you are not doing this cause any good.
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Jesuitsayswhat?
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Just as Jesus was handed over by His people, the jews, to be killed by secular authorities, the same was done throughout history.

Peter denied Jesus "thrice before the cock crowed," but the succession was not denied him (because he felt shame at his behavior), "thou art peter, and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against her."


Christians should not fight among themselves.
It weakens all of christendom.
We have a heritage in common.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73155519


Yes you do have a heritage in common with those professing to know Christ but in works deny Him (arneomai:contradict): you all worship a different Jesus and will all one day hear, 'Away from Me, I never knew you.'

The elect Will hear and come out of her, My people!
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If your cause is to spread the gospel so that anyone may have the chance of salvation through Jesus you are not doing this cause any good.
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No, my cause is representing Truth as revealed in the Word of God for the few, not for anyone. May seem semantics, but God has an elect family and salvation is not for every last person, only for the elect. No ear tickling is necessary- the elect love to hear the Truth even if they've never heard it before.
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Luther may have started out well intentioned. He may have been upset with abuses occurring in the Church. But his theology was a novelty that depended on his unique interpretation of Holy Scripture. The Church's teaching was always true, even if individual churchmen didn't follow it, as they never do in any church.

Luther's only fruit was fracturing the western Church. He created a monster where everyone could interpret the Bible however he wanted. He was a prophet of relativism. Christ prayed that we all would be one. His work has done more to prevent that from being a reality then anything else, including the Great Schism.
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^^^THIS^^^
Poor fella had OCD and a fecal obsession. The Reformation is nothing to celebrate, just as we would not celebrate the widespread onset of schizophrenia.
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:Refday:
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499 years ago Martin Luther started a revolution. People gained access to scripture and began to know God and his son Jesus Christ apart from the distortions and lies of the Roman Catholic Church. Thanks Luther!!

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I do agree that was a good thing, to take the scripture out of Roman hands. For that, I am grateful to Luther.
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He translated the Bible, all right...and edited out 7 books that contradicted his rebellious beliefs. He deleted 2 Maccabees, which supports the doctrine of Purgatory, and was hostile to the Book of James, which explicitly states that faith and works are necessary for salvation.

The Bible could not be mass-produced and distributed to the population at large--most of whom were illiterate, anyway--until well after the invention of the printing press, c. 1440-1450.
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Just as Jesus was handed over by His people, the jews, to be killed by secular authorities, the same was done throughout history.

Peter denied Jesus "thrice before the cock crowed," but the succession was not denied him (because he felt shame at his behavior), "thou art peter, and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against her."


Christians should not fight among themselves.
It weakens all of christendom.
We have a heritage in common.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73155519


Yes you do have a heritage in common with those professing to know Christ but in works deny Him (arneomai:contradict): you all worship a different Jesus and will all one day hear, 'Away from Me, I never knew you.'

The elect Will hear and come out of her, My people!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70987339


If your cause is to spread the gospel so that anyone may have the chance of salvation through Jesus you are not doing this cause any good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73307087


No, my cause is representing Truth as revealed in the Word of God for the few, not for anyone. May seem semantics, but God has an elect family and salvation is not for every last person, only for the elect. No ear tickling is necessary- the elect love to hear the Truth even if they've never heard it before.
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Just as Jesus was handed over by His people, the jews, to be killed by secular authorities, the same was done throughout history.

Peter denied Jesus "thrice before the cock crowed," but the succession was not denied him (because he felt shame at his behavior), "thou art peter, and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against her."


Christians should not fight among themselves.
It weakens all of christendom.
We have a heritage in common.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73155519


Yes you do have a heritage in common with those professing to know Christ but in works deny Him (arneomai:contradict): you all worship a different Jesus and will all one day hear, 'Away from Me, I never knew you.'

The elect Will hear and come out of her, My people!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70987339


If your cause is to spread the gospel so that anyone may have the chance of salvation through Jesus you are not doing this cause any good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73307087


No, my cause is representing Truth as revealed in the Word of God for the few, not for anyone. May seem semantics, but God has an elect family and salvation is not for every last person, only for the elect. No ear tickling is necessary- the elect love to hear the Truth even if they've never heard it before.
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Do you believe that you are one of the elect?
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Ok, Bloody Mary. Let's burn the heretics.

The RCC is evil, they revel in debauchery and are greedy mother'effers. You know nothing.

The reformers were saviors.

The "authority" of the church? The church is composed of sinners, mere mortals, they have no real authority. The criminal history of the Papacy is well known. Pure evil.

I better watch it. You might have me burned for heresy.
 Quoting: Deplorable Debauchery


The Catholic Church never burned anyone. Catholic rulers may have, the same as Protestant rulers. John Calvin's Geneva executed people for heresy. So pointing to executions doesn't show anything since both sides did.

So the Apostles, mere men, had no authority? Then why do you read their works? Why do you read their Gospels and Epistles? Also, the charge you make is the same as the religious rulers about Jesus. They said he was a mere man who had no authority. But Jesus said to the Apostles, as the Father sent me so I send you. Jesus gave them authority and expected it to be handed on.

Popes may have done bad things, but that doesn't take away their authority nor mean they taught error. Sts. Peter and Paul also sinned. That didn't mean we get to ignore their authority.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62119186


Jesuitsayswhat?
 Quoting: Deplorable B@Z


Just as Jesus was handed over by His people, the jews, to be killed by secular authorities, the same was done throughout history.

Peter denied Jesus "thrice before the cock crowed," but the succession was not denied him (because he felt shame at his behavior), "thou art peter, and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against her."


Christians should not fight among themselves.
It weakens all of christendom.
We have a heritage in common.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73155519

With all due respect..."Christendom" is progressively weakened by ongoing division, most notably starting with the Protestant Reformation. To strive toward unity among the followers of Christ is to flesh out and correct error.

There are an estimated 42,000 non-Catholic "Christian" denominations, and something like 2.1 new ones are added by the week. When Christ speaks of His Church, I do not think he is referring to a corporation consisting of tens of thousands of splinter denominations.

There is only one original Christian Church, the one instituted by Christ Himself, in 33 A.D.... which, in spite of sometimes flawed leadership and various challenges, has endured for two centuries because it is guided and protected by the Holy Spirit.
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The Catholic Church never burned anyone. Catholic rulers may have, the same as Protestant rulers. John Calvin's Geneva executed people for heresy. So pointing to executions doesn't show anything since both sides did.

So the Apostles, mere men, had no authority? Then why do you read their works? Why do you read their Gospels and Epistles? Also, the charge you make is the same as the religious rulers about Jesus. They said he was a mere man who had no authority. But Jesus said to the Apostles, as the Father sent me so I send you. Jesus gave them authority and expected it to be handed on.

Popes may have done bad things, but that doesn't take away their authority nor mean they taught error. Sts. Peter and Paul also sinned. That didn't mean we get to ignore their authority.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62119186


Jesuitsayswhat?
 Quoting: Deplorable B@Z


Just as Jesus was handed over by His people, the jews, to be killed by secular authorities, the same was done throughout history.

Peter denied Jesus "thrice before the cock crowed," but the succession was not denied him (because he felt shame at his behavior), "thou art peter, and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against her."


Christians should not fight among themselves.
It weakens all of christendom.
We have a heritage in common.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73155519

With all due respect..."Christendom" is progressively weakened by ongoing division, most notably starting with the Protestant Reformation. To strive toward unity among the followers of Christ is to flesh out and correct error.

There are an estimated 42,000 non-Catholic "Christian" denominations, and something like 2.1 new ones are added by the week. When Christ speaks of His Church, I do not think he is referring to a corporation consisting of tens of thousands of splinter denominations.

There is only one original Christian Church, the one instituted by Christ Himself, in 33 A.D.... which, in spite of sometimes flawed leadership and various challenges, has endured for two centuries because it is guided and protected by the Holy Spirit.
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Truth > Unity
Christ is the head of the church, not a man in a glitzy robe. It is faith in Christ and recognizing him as the Son of God that is the basis for the church....not Peter.
You'll probably get to burn me as a heretic of the coming One World Religion...so at least you'll be able to look forward that. I look forward to that day for completely different reasons...in my suffering Christ will be glorified.
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Thanks, OP;
this is very informative,
as I've never heard of this before;

I've heard of the Reformation,
but knew nothing about it...

hmm
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Thanks, OP;
this is very informative,
as I've never heard of this before;

I've heard of the Reformation,
but knew nothing about it...

hmm
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There's much to read about it. You should. It's very interesting.
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Jesuitsayswhat?
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Just as Jesus was handed over by His people, the jews, to be killed by secular authorities, the same was done throughout history.

Peter denied Jesus "thrice before the cock crowed," but the succession was not denied him (because he felt shame at his behavior), "thou art peter, and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against her."


Christians should not fight among themselves.
It weakens all of christendom.
We have a heritage in common.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73155519

With all due respect..."Christendom" is progressively weakened by ongoing division, most notably starting with the Protestant Reformation. To strive toward unity among the followers of Christ is to flesh out and correct error.

There are an estimated 42,000 non-Catholic "Christian" denominations, and something like 2.1 new ones are added by the week. When Christ speaks of His Church, I do not think he is referring to a corporation consisting of tens of thousands of splinter denominations.

There is only one original Christian Church, the one instituted by Christ Himself, in 33 A.D.... which, in spite of sometimes flawed leadership and various challenges, has endured for two centuries because it is guided and protected by the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70175159


Truth > Unity
Christ is the head of the church, not a man in a glitzy robe. It is faith in Christ and recognizing him as the Son of God that is the basis for the church....not Peter.
You'll probably get to burn me as a heretic of the coming One World Religion...so at least you'll be able to look forward that. I look forward to that day for completely different reasons...in my suffering Christ will be glorified.
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Hmmmm...you seem to advocate unity, yet you seem to fear a One World Religion. No one needs to fear unity under the only Church established by Christ Himself in 33 A.D.. Necessary reform can come from within the Church, such as that accomplished by St. Francis of Assisi, and such as the ongoing reparations and procedural changes for clergy sex abuse. What aspect of the Reformation was unifying? And how would you propose unifying the followers of tens of thousands of Christian denominations?

Christ Himself put Peter in charge of His Church, so you might consider prayerful discernment of the matter. All priests operate under His Power, through the action of the Holy Spirit.

In bygone days, when a king was about to leave his kingdom, the man to whom he gave the keys was in charge until the king's returned.

Gospel of St. Matthew, Chapter 16
17Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. 18k And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. 19l I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
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This post really got all the Jesuits fired up with their responses. That makes me happy.
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Heh. Still so profoundly confused as to be giddy about trashing catholics while soaking neck deep in the augustinian calvinism you so adore and thinking you somehow broke away.
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Just as Jesus was handed over by His people, the jews, to be killed by secular authorities, the same was done throughout history.

Peter denied Jesus "thrice before the cock crowed," but the succession was not denied him (because he felt shame at his behavior), "thou art peter, and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against her."


Christians should not fight among themselves.
It weakens all of christendom.
We have a heritage in common.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73155519

With all due respect..."Christendom" is progressively weakened by ongoing division, most notably starting with the Protestant Reformation. To strive toward unity among the followers of Christ is to flesh out and correct error.

There are an estimated 42,000 non-Catholic "Christian" denominations, and something like 2.1 new ones are added by the week. When Christ speaks of His Church, I do not think he is referring to a corporation consisting of tens of thousands of splinter denominations.

There is only one original Christian Church, the one instituted by Christ Himself, in 33 A.D.... which, in spite of sometimes flawed leadership and various challenges, has endured for two centuries because it is guided and protected by the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70175159


Truth > Unity
Christ is the head of the church, not a man in a glitzy robe. It is faith in Christ and recognizing him as the Son of God that is the basis for the church....not Peter.
You'll probably get to burn me as a heretic of the coming One World Religion...so at least you'll be able to look forward that. I look forward to that day for completely different reasons...in my suffering Christ will be glorified.
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I'm happy you look forward to your suffering. Not sure why you think you will be burned as a heretic, though. Christ is the head of the church? Would that be a particular one or all of the 40,000 plus that the split you celebrate has caused? Regardless to turn around and piss on the church that gave you your most cherished calvinist doctrine is kinda amusing, but it's your only bone, so play with it as you will.
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Truth > Unity
Christ is the head of the church, not a man in a glitzy robe. It is faith in Christ and recognizing him as the Son of God that is the basis for the church....not Peter.
You'll probably get to burn me as a heretic of the coming One World Religion...so at least you'll be able to look forward that. I look forward to that day for completely different reasons...in my suffering Christ will be glorified.
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I'm happy you look forward to your suffering. Not sure why you think you will be burned as a heretic, though. Christ is the head of the church? Would that be a particular one or all of the 40,000 plus that the split you celebrate has caused? Regardless to turn around and piss on the church that gave you your most cherished calvinist doctrine is kinda amusing, but it's your only bone, so play with it as you will.
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ALL of the major denominations have misguided teachings / past violence / hatred etc...and it wouldn't surprise me if a fair percentage of those 40,000+ were originally part of larger congregations, groups of folks that got fed up with church politics / misguided policy decisions etc...

The RCC isn't Christ's church. Rome merely assimilated the network of Christian churches that had been in existence since the apostles had begun establishing them after Christ's ascension.

Over 300 Christian leaders from that network attended the Council at Nicea. They would have had FULL knowledge of the various documents used to create the Latin Bible over the next 100+ years.

The Reformation was God's answer to the all the crap the RCC had put forth by the time the Council of Trent made their decrees etc...
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“I have so much to do that I shall spend the first three hours in prayer.”

"To be a Christian without prayer is no more possible than to be alive without breathing."

"The fewer the words, the better the prayer."

"Pray, and let God worry."

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What about the fifty million people that died at the hands of the Roman Catholic church? Somehow that always gets skipped over in history. Persecution, because people wanted to read the Bible for themselves. RCC couldn't allow that because it clearly showed that their teachings were wrong. Fifty million people tortured and killed in ways you can't even imagine, to keep the Bible out of the hands of the people.

Even today, the pope is still trying to shun a direct relationship with Jesus. The arrogance of the RCC knows no bounds and the atrocities are so heinous that they're unspeakable.

Prophecy is being fulfilled. If you're celebrating the reformation, you're on the wrong side.





GLP