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Antarctica Western Ice Shelf Collapse: Global sea levels might rise by 12 to 20 feet | |
| -Adam-
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| Sunny Daze
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(OP) User ID: 73621555 United States02/03/2017 09:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that ice is sitting in water ... in other words, it is already displacing water ... so why would moving it displace any more water ... it just sets it free . Quoting: Sunny Daze Of today's great ice sheets, the West Antarctic Ice Sheet poses the most immediate threat of a large sea-level rise, owing to its potential instability. Complete release of its ice to the ocean would raise global mean sea level by four to six metres, causing major coastal flooding worldwide. Human-induced climate change may play a significant role in controlling the long-term stability of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and in determining its contribution to sea-level change in the near future. - Michael Oppenheimer from NATURE Magazine, MAY 1998 Last Edited by -Adam- on 02/03/2017 09:20 AM |
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| Fat Freddy's Cat
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| DARTH SILIOUS
Abrasive Fuck User ID: 73208859 United States02/03/2017 09:24 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that ice is sitting in water ... in other words, it is already displacing water ... so why would moving it displace any more water ... it just sets it free . Quoting: Sunny Daze You are correct. The article is fear mongering for those immune to logic. Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. Or something |
| Fat Freddy's Cat
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| -Adam-
(OP) User ID: 73621555 United States02/03/2017 09:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that ice is sitting in water ... in other words, it is already displacing water ... so why would moving it displace any more water ... it just sets it free . Quoting: Sunny Daze  If I had to make a choice and I had numerous scientific journals saying one thing and an ANON on a forum says otherwise, who do you think I am going to believe? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 44534076 United States02/03/2017 09:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that ice is sitting in water ... in other words, it is already displacing water ... so why would moving it displace any more water ... it just sets it free . Quoting: Sunny Daze Of today's great ice sheets, the West Antarctic Ice Sheet poses the most immediate threat of a large sea-level rise, owing to its potential instability. Complete release of its ice to the ocean would raise global mean sea level by four to six metres, causing major coastal flooding worldwide. Human-induced climate change may play a significant role in controlling the long-term stability of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and in determining its contribution to sea-level change in the near future. - Michael Oppenheimer from NATURE Magazine, MAY 1998 A study of Michael Oppenheimer's history of activism would lead me to take his calculations with a grain of salt. |
| -Adam-
(OP) User ID: 73621555 United States02/03/2017 09:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Meh, idiots gonna believe their own assumptions. I'll make an educated choice based on reading scientific research regarding. Did you fellas know that floating ice can become locked in place and ADDITIONAL ice is accumulated which is NOT displaced yet. Everyone thinks about that ice in a cup example. But ice shelves are not that simple. Well, it won't be long when that sucker drops. We will all know then, won't we. |
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| Madmacs
User ID: 1260419 United States02/03/2017 09:32 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The western Antarctic ice shelf, as reported in many scientific articles, would raise sea levels by 4-6 meters GLOBALLY. If it were to drop into the ocean. Quoting: -Adam- That is 12 to 20 foot sea rise if it collapses. A few years ago, that very ice shelf developed unusual cracks deep inside, far from the shore line. The ENTIRE shelf is breaking apart from the inside out. [link to phys.org (secure)] Only a matter of time now. A slow melt off isn't the problem. The massive, miles long cracks developing may drop ALL that ice at once. Once that sucker cracks and plunges into the ocean, coastal areas will see massive, sustained flooding. Now we ask, why the US Military is developing localized contingency plans in case of sudden sea level rise. All Carriers are coming home, probably to be upgraded now while they still have a working port. IDK, this would be really bad if it happened. Not a gradual rise of sea levels....SUDDEN rise. :ohlook: |
| Ozicell
User ID: 73885384  Australia02/03/2017 09:33 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The western Antarctic ice shelf, as reported in many scientific articles, would raise sea levels by 4-6 meters GLOBALLY. If it were to drop into the ocean. Quoting: -Adam- That is 12 to 20 foot sea rise if it collapses. A few years ago, that very ice shelf developed unusual cracks deep inside, far from the shore line. The ENTIRE shelf is breaking apart from the inside out. [link to phys.org (secure)] Only a matter of time now. A slow melt off isn't the problem. The massive, miles long cracks developing may drop ALL that ice at once. Once that sucker cracks and plunges into the ocean, coastal areas will see massive, sustained flooding. Now we ask, why the US Military is developing localized contingency plans in case of sudden sea level rise. All Carriers are coming home, probably to be upgraded now while they still have a working port. IDK, this would be really bad if it happened. Not a gradual rise of sea levels....SUDDEN rise. The ice shelf is not the problem - the problem is the glacier ice being held back by the sea ice! The shelf ice is already in the water and displacing water as per it's size. It breaking off will do nothing to sea levels but the glacial ice is land-born and if this gets into the sea - then YES, Houston - we have a problem! Last Edited by Ozicell on 02/03/2017 09:36 AM That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73664828 United States02/03/2017 09:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you see? |
| -Adam-
(OP) User ID: 73621555 United States02/03/2017 09:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that ice is sitting in water ... in other words, it is already displacing water ... so why would moving it displace any more water ... it just sets it free . Quoting: Sunny Daze Of today's great ice sheets, the West Antarctic Ice Sheet poses the most immediate threat of a large sea-level rise, owing to its potential instability. Complete release of its ice to the ocean would raise global mean sea level by four to six metres, causing major coastal flooding worldwide. Human-induced climate change may play a significant role in controlling the long-term stability of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and in determining its contribution to sea-level change in the near future. - Michael Oppenheimer from NATURE Magazine, MAY 1998 A study of Michael Oppenheimer's history of activism would lead me to take his calculations with a grain of salt. Okay... MIT, study in the 1970's shows a full melt off of that ice shelf would raise ocean levels globally by 4 meters. Today, we are talking about a massive cracking up of the INTERIOR of this ice shelf. Meaning that 6000 year melt off MIT believes would raise ocean levels by 4 meters may happen all at once. Due to this unprecedented cracking up in the interior areas. [link to stuff.mit.edu (secure)] Need more? |
| -Adam-
(OP) User ID: 73621555 United States02/03/2017 09:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the ice is somehow magically suspended above the water and when it breaks off it will fall gusted of feet into the ocean below and raise sea levels? Or the ice is already in the water and when it breaks off it will float away and do what? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73664828 Do you see? If I placed a chunk of ice on an already frozen lake surface, does that ice become displaced? no, it doesn't. Same with ice shelves. Additional ice, once the sea layer is frozen and locked with ice from the land mass... additional snow/ice accumulates and is UNDISPLACED ice. As well, run off refreeze is also not displaced yet. Now, once that frozen lake thaws. That additional chunk we put on it raises the water level. Do you SEE???? Last Edited by -Adam- on 02/03/2017 09:39 AM |
| Fat Freddy's Cat
User ID: 72595724 United States02/03/2017 09:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that ice is sitting in water ... in other words, it is already displacing water ... so why would moving it displace any more water ... it just sets it free . Quoting: Sunny Daze If I had to make a choice and I had numerous scientific journals saying one thing and an ANON on a forum says otherwise, who do you think I am going to believe? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that when you drop ice cubes in a glass of water, the displacement you get is all there is. The ice shelf is IN THE WATER ALREADY! IT's ALREADY Displaced the water. It's not ON LAND and it's not sitting ABOVE the water. The danger isn't the shelf itself but the ice on land behind it that could slide into the water if the shelf is out of the way. Get it? |
| DARTH SILIOUS
Abrasive Fuck User ID: 73208859 United States02/03/2017 09:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let it go Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. Or something |
| -Adam-
(OP) User ID: 73621555 United States02/03/2017 09:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the ice is somehow magically suspended above the water and when it breaks off it will fall gusted of feet into the ocean below and raise sea levels? Or the ice is already in the water and when it breaks off it will float away and do what? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73664828 Do you see? Magically if you are a dumb ass who refuse to learn. Logical if you take the time to know how shit works. |
| -Adam-
(OP) User ID: 73621555 United States02/03/2017 09:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why? I am correct. I will not, you go else where if you don't like it. Are you going to reject an MIT study? [link to stuff.mit.edu (secure)] They DID say that ice mass would raise ocean levels 4 meters if melted. Today, we are talking about that ENTIRE mass of ice cracking and getting ready to plunge into the ocean. Not that hard to understand. You can tell yourself what you want to believe all day long. But this I know, MIT scientists have more credibility then you. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73664828 United States02/03/2017 09:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the ice is somehow magically suspended above the water and when it breaks off it will fall gusted of feet into the ocean below and raise sea levels? Or the ice is already in the water and when it breaks off it will float away and do what? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73664828 Do you see? If I placed a chunk of ice on an already frozen lake surface, does that ice become displaced? no, it doesn't. Same with ice shelves. Additional ice, once the sea layer is frozen and locked with ice from the land mass... additional snow/ice accumulates and is UNDISPLACED ice. As well, run off refreeze is also not displaced yet. Now, once that frozen lake thaws. That additional chunk we put on it raises the water level. Do you SEE???? Nope. Not a 20 foot rise in sea levels. Nope. |
| DARTH SILIOUS
Abrasive Fuck User ID: 73208859 United States02/03/2017 09:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why? I am correct. I will not, you go else where if you don't like it. Are you going to reject an MIT study? [link to stuff.mit.edu (secure)] They DID say that ice mass would raise ocean levels 4 meters if melted. Today, we are talking about that ENTIRE mass of ice cracking and getting ready to plunge into the ocean. Not that hard to understand. You can tell yourself what you want to believe all day long. But this I know, MIT scientists have more credibility then you. I reject all kinds of stupid shit written or said by stupid fucks. I'm an equal opportunity shit rejector. Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. Or something |
| -Adam-
(OP) User ID: 73621555 United States02/03/2017 09:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that ice is sitting in water ... in other words, it is already displacing water ... so why would moving it displace any more water ... it just sets it free . Quoting: Sunny Daze If I had to make a choice and I had numerous scientific journals saying one thing and an ANON on a forum says otherwise, who do you think I am going to believe? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that when you drop ice cubes in a glass of water, the displacement you get is all there is. The ice shelf is IN THE WATER ALREADY! IT's ALREADY Displaced the water. It's not ON LAND and it's not sitting ABOVE the water. The danger isn't the shelf itself but the ice on land behind it that could slide into the water if the shelf is out of the way. Get it? And it also doesn't take a dumb ass to know when that ice freezes to the edge of the glass, add more ice it will NOT displace. Now what the fuck is a floating ice shelf but ice FROZEN to the land mass ice. Does it fucking snow down there? THERE is your additional ice on top of displaced ice, locked. The bottom layer is displaced, yeah, it will not raise ocean levels. But any snow fall on top, unless it sinks, is not displaced. Besides, AGAIN, these numbers are from reputable organizations. Last Edited by -Adam- on 02/03/2017 09:45 AM |
| Anubis
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| DARTH SILIOUS
Abrasive Fuck User ID: 73208859 United States02/03/2017 09:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And if you placed a chuck of ice on an already frozen lake that model would in no way resemble reality. The ice sheet is already in unfrozen water. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73664828 Logic has no place here. - Al Gore's Hemorrhoid Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. Or something |
| Fat Freddy's Cat
User ID: 72595724 United States02/03/2017 09:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah Adam i didn't account for ice accumulating on a shelf that's locked and frozen in place, but depending on the additional weight it does push the ice deeper into the water, especially away from the shoreline. The weight of the ice would sag over deep water. Ice is slightly flexible under weight and pressure. |
| -Adam-
(OP) User ID: 73621555 United States02/03/2017 09:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why? I am correct. I will not, you go else where if you don't like it. Are you going to reject an MIT study? [link to stuff.mit.edu (secure)] They DID say that ice mass would raise ocean levels 4 meters if melted. Today, we are talking about that ENTIRE mass of ice cracking and getting ready to plunge into the ocean. Not that hard to understand. You can tell yourself what you want to believe all day long. But this I know, MIT scientists have more credibility then you. I reject all kinds of stupid shit written or said by stupid fucks. I'm an equal opportunity shit rejector. Answer this..... If it snows 100 feet on already frozen lake, does that snow become displaced? We all know floating ice does not raise water levels. Imagine an island of ice frozen, it snows for thousands of years. The edges gain weight, they crack and fall into the ocean. We know there is ice displaced already, but we also know there is A LOT of snow fall that is not displaced. Answer that simple question if you are so confident in yourself. |
| Fat Freddy's Cat
User ID: 72595724 United States02/03/2017 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anectdotal experience from Ice fishing many a frozen lake with hundreds of cars trucks shacks and people on it, the additional weight displaces, you can see it in your fishing hole. I really think the ice shelf itself isnt the big sea level changer, the ice on land behind it is should it enter the sea quickly. |
