Signs in the Heavens That Google Sky Was Hiding, Red Dragon of Revelation, September 23rd | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33735605 United States 09/16/2017 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I think it is unlikely that anything will happen on the 23rd. Don't get demoralized. It's possible that the Virgo alignment might indeed be a fulfillment of the sign of Revelation 12, but it's a SIGN. It's not an event itself, but a confirmation sign for believers that we are in the end times. Don't get your hopes up and then lose faith if nothing happens. Scoffers will come and say this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74867814 They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.” -2 Peter 3:4 It's a prime demoralization tactic to build suspense around something only for hopes to be dashed when nothing happens. It's very possible that September 23rd is prophetically significant, but it's also likely that it is a warning sign and nothing will happen itself on that day. It's for those who are sober and awake to be notified. Now, along with this interesting anomaly in the sky, we also see some other interesting signs in addition to the Virgo alignment. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] This "conception" comet seems interesting. Also note: Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. -Revelation 12:3,4 It's interesting that the Draconid meteor shower happens 2 weeks after September 23. It occurs on the Sabbath in the midst of the Feast of Tabernacles. Sure, this meteor shower is an annual occurrence. However, it could have significance falling after the Virgo alignment. To me, a meteor shower would be a very apt metaphorical sign in the heavens for "stars" or angels being cast down to earth. Anyway, just thought I'd share. Shabbat Shalom ^^This Thank you for adding about the Draconid meteor shower on the Sabbath, during the Feast of Tabernacles. I had not heard about that. Will definitely give me something to read up on, particularly the Feast of Tabernacles. Curious with the continuing prophecy now playing out. Prophecy also says that after the baby is born that there will be a war in heaven, and the dragon and his angels will be defeated and then cast down to earth. Definitely food for thought. Thank you for the info. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24394511 United States 09/16/2017 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can someone point me to a link as to when the last time was that this alignment occurred? Quoting: Miggy I thought I had read somewhere awhile back that it's been a couple of thousand years. Making notes for church tomorrow. Thanks. Miggy 1910 He asked for a link. Plenty of online planetariums that will let you go back to the exact time/date with the alignment and share a link for us to compare to. [link to h.dropcanvas.com] You are wrong! The image you provide still has Mars within Virgo. Scripture tells us that there will be a crown of 12 stars, NOT a crown of 11 stars and an earing. |
The Gentle Astromut
Senior Forum Moderator 09/16/2017 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is this an emotional thing for you? I'll drop it if it is. I just don't see how anyone that is scientific can look at what you posted and what the sign is and say that they match. God bless, have a nice day. The verses don't say anything about the constellation of Leo. If you spread it out that far you make it even more frequent by increasing the area of the sky where the planets in question can be located to make a match. If she were giving birth to a really small baby and a really big baby and wearing a mercury pendant. People have done this research, you are just wasting your time. But research you mean ignoring all other results that equally match and inventing new criteria that are not there. Why don't you start with the actual verse: "A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head." That last part is kind of important. The woman is Virgo so what is at her head? The constellation of Leo. It doesn't mention any other 'bodies' on her except the sun clothing her, the moon at her feet, and a child in her belly which is in effect a ruler/king - i.e. the King Planet of Jupiter. Her head is her head it doesn't say anything about the constellation of Leo. You are adding things that are not there and you know what the curse at the end of Revelations says about that right? But okay even under your criteria I still found another example of this. Now you're absolutely ignoring it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73098933 United States 09/16/2017 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So your criteria is that you want Jupiter to be the lowest Planet along with the Moon and all other planets at or above her head correct? Even under your artificially constrained criteria which is not biblical you can still find examples where the Earth did not end in the last few hundred years. Quoting: The Gentle Astromut [link to h.dropcanvas.com] Now are you going to admit you were wrong or are you going to waste more of my time? No, I literally have until September 23rd to debate you on this. We know these planets and the sun and moon go through the constellation with frequency. The alignment and the timing is what makes it a sign and you have to understand God's calendar and quite a lot of other prophecies in the Bible. |
The Gentle Astromut
Senior Forum Moderator 09/16/2017 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He asked for a link. Plenty of online planetariums that will let you go back to the exact time/date with the alignment and share a link for us to compare to. [link to h.dropcanvas.com] You are wrong! The image you provide still has Mars within Virgo. Scripture tells us that there will be a crown of 12 stars, NOT a crown of 11 stars and an earing. Now you're just lying and making up shit to absolutely ignore things that even fit the criteria you just lay down. This is called moving the goalposts. Her head is her head it does not say anything about the constellation of Leo. Mars is at the level of her head. You complained about planets being below her head so I found another example this one with all the planets at or above her head. See the problem with you religious tards is that you demand everyone follow your personal interpretations even when it has nothing to do with what the verse actually says. When September 24th comes and we're all still here I expect you will apologize to me for wasting my time. |
The Gentle Astromut
Senior Forum Moderator 09/16/2017 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So your criteria is that you want Jupiter to be the lowest Planet along with the Moon and all other planets at or above her head correct? Even under your artificially constrained criteria which is not biblical you can still find examples where the Earth did not end in the last few hundred years. Quoting: The Gentle Astromut [link to h.dropcanvas.com] Now are you going to admit you were wrong or are you going to waste more of my time? No, I literally have until September 23rd to debate you on this. We know these planets and the sun and moon go through the constellation with frequency. The alignment and the timing is what makes it a sign and you have to understand God's calendar and quite a lot of other prophecies in the Bible. When September 24th comes and we are still here you will either apologize to me or you will suffer the consequences. Your personal interpretations and inventions of things that are not actually in Scripture do not dictate reality. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73098933 United States 09/16/2017 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When September 24th comes and we are still here you will either apologize to me or you will suffer the consequences. Your personal interpretations and inventions of things that are not actually in Scripture do not dictate reality. Quoting: The Gentle Astromut I will DEFINITELY not be here on September 24th. I'm going to be on vacation. |
Duckbutter1776
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The Gentle Astromut
Senior Forum Moderator 09/16/2017 11:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When September 24th comes and we are still here you will either apologize to me or you will suffer the consequences. Your personal interpretations and inventions of things that are not actually in Scripture do not dictate reality. Quoting: The Gentle Astromut I will DEFINITELY not be here on September 24th. I'm going to be on vacation. Then you will just have to deal with the consequences. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73098933 United States 09/16/2017 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In addition a HUGE number of other prophecies weren't fulfilled in 1709 to allow this one to mean anything and 8/10 was not a feast day as it was the 4th of Elul. Do you remember when you were 2-3 years old and you had that box with round hole and square holes and the round one wouldn't go in the square? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24394511 United States 09/16/2017 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73098933 He asked for a link. Plenty of online planetariums that will let you go back to the exact time/date with the alignment and share a link for us to compare to. [link to h.dropcanvas.com] You are wrong! The image you provide still has Mars within Virgo. Scripture tells us that there will be a crown of 12 stars, NOT a crown of 11 stars and an earing. Now you're just lying and making up shit to absolutely ignore things that even fit the criteria you just lay down. This is called moving the goalposts. Her head is her head it does not say anything about the constellation of Leo. Mars is at the level of her head. You complained about planets being below her head so I found another example this one with all the planets at or above her head. See the problem with you religious tards is that you demand everyone follow your personal interpretations even when it has nothing to do with what the verse actually says. When September 24th comes and we're all still here I expect you will apologize to me for wasting my time. Now you lie, Virgo goes up to the star Zavijah, which is "above" all of the planets on your image. A crown does not rest below ones head. If you look at the image you provide, then you see clearly that it is the case and could not possibly be the same alignment. |
The Gentle Astromut
Senior Forum Moderator 09/16/2017 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astromut, your last one - from August 10, 1709 has the sun in Leo and Jupiter at her feet and I'm pretty sure way more than 12 visible 'stars' in the crown. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73098933 Wrong. Jupiter is not at her feet. She's giving birth to Jupiter which was your interpretation of that planet. The same planets are around her head, plus some others that the ancients had no knowledge of, like Pluto. If we're going to call that "too many" then by your new continually changing criteria, your criteria will not be met this year either; a bevy of asteroids, comets, and other sub-planetary objects similar to Pluto from the asteroid belt, kuiper belt, and elsewhere will be all over Leo and Virgo for that matter. |
Duckbutter1776
User ID: 20548303 United States 09/16/2017 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | seven horns: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75508114 what was it in Rev. about "seven horns" etc? I wonder if Satan has been cast out of Earth: his children, followers and army would want NOONE to know this! I have great news, bro... Satan isn't a real thing!!! The truth will stand when the world is on fire. |
The Gentle Astromut
Senior Forum Moderator 09/16/2017 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are wrong! The image you provide still has Mars within Virgo. Scripture tells us that there will be a crown of 12 stars, NOT a crown of 11 stars and an earing. Now you're just lying and making up shit to absolutely ignore things that even fit the criteria you just lay down. This is called moving the goalposts. Her head is her head it does not say anything about the constellation of Leo. Mars is at the level of her head. You complained about planets being below her head so I found another example this one with all the planets at or above her head. See the problem with you religious tards is that you demand everyone follow your personal interpretations even when it has nothing to do with what the verse actually says. When September 24th comes and we're all still here I expect you will apologize to me for wasting my time. Now you lie, Virgo goes up to the star Zavijah, which is "above" all of the planets on your image. Zavijah is in my image and it is right next to Mercury in that image. Since you tards complained about the planets being too low in the 1910 example I provided additional examples which you are deliberately ignoring and lying about. |
Duckbutter1776
User ID: 20548303 United States 09/16/2017 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astromut, your last one - from August 10, 1709 has the sun in Leo and Jupiter at her feet and I'm pretty sure way more than 12 visible 'stars' in the crown. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73098933 Wrong. Jupiter is not at her feet. She's giving birth to Jupiter which was your interpretation of that planet. The same planets are around her head, plus some others that the ancients had no knowledge of, like Pluto. If we're going to call that "too many" then by your new continually changing criteria, your criteria will not be met this year either; a bevy of asteroids, comets, and other sub-planetary objects similar to Pluto from the asteroid belt, kuiper belt, and elsewhere will be all over Leo and Virgo for that matter. Give it up Doc. No one can get through to these Heavens Gate types. The truth will stand when the world is on fire. |
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wisconsin
User ID: 14055005 United States 09/16/2017 12:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . ... thanks ... . . Our family celebrates The Lord's Feasts: [link to www.grafted-promise.net] Fools and the dead don't change their minds. Fools won't and the dead can't. When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar. You are only telling the world that you fear what he might say. Quoting: CountryWise Amos 5:13 - Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74567907 United Kingdom 09/16/2017 12:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astromut, your last one - from August 10, 1709 has the sun in Leo and Jupiter at her feet and I'm pretty sure way more than 12 visible 'stars' in the crown. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73098933 Wrong. Jupiter is not at her feet. She's giving birth to Jupiter which was your interpretation of that planet. The same planets are around her head, plus some others that the ancients had no knowledge of, like Pluto. If we're going to call that "too many" then by your new continually changing criteria, your criteria will not be met this year either; a bevy of asteroids, comets, and other sub-planetary objects similar to Pluto from the asteroid belt, kuiper belt, and elsewhere will be all over Leo and Virgo for that matter. Virgo isn't a very good Virgin is she.....giving birth to all these Damn Planets and stuff!!! 😂😂 |
Duckbutter1776
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The Gentle Astromut
Senior Forum Moderator 09/16/2017 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Neither is September 23rd. [link to www.hebcal.com (secure)] Good job shooting yourself in the foot. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24394511 United States 09/16/2017 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24394511 You are wrong! The image you provide still has Mars within Virgo. Scripture tells us that there will be a crown of 12 stars, NOT a crown of 11 stars and an earing. Now you're just lying and making up shit to absolutely ignore things that even fit the criteria you just lay down. This is called moving the goalposts. Her head is her head it does not say anything about the constellation of Leo. Mars is at the level of her head. You complained about planets being below her head so I found another example this one with all the planets at or above her head. See the problem with you religious tards is that you demand everyone follow your personal interpretations even when it has nothing to do with what the verse actually says. When September 24th comes and we're all still here I expect you will apologize to me for wasting my time. Now you lie, Virgo goes up to the star Zavijah, which is "above" all of the planets on your image. Zavijah is in my image and it is right next to Mercury in that image. Since you tards complained about the planets being too low in the 1910 example I provided additional examples which you are deliberately ignoring and lying about. Your further examples do not meet the criteria spoken of in the scripture. The 1710 image does not have Virgo "clothed" in the sun. |
Petrus
User ID: 75090825 Canada 09/16/2017 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Astromut, you said a similar alignment happened in 1910. Way off. 1. Mars, Venus, and Mercury aren't making the 'crown' part with Leo's const. which should be above her head. 2. I don't see the retrograde motion of Jupiter 'inside the womb' of Virgo for 9 months prior, like the one shown 9 months before Sept 23, 2017. Last Edited by Petrus on 09/16/2017 12:05 PM |
The Gentle Astromut
Senior Forum Moderator 09/16/2017 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. The "red dragon" on the left is simply a double image of Saturn from the IRAS telescope in 1983. There are multiple versions of the IRAS data, google sky uses the "Improved Reprocessing of the IRAS Survey" also known as IRIS. The IRIS version has been recalibrated and that particular section was removed since the major planets are not supposed to be part of all-sky surveys. IRAS had to complete its scan of the entire (or almost the entire) sky in about a year of time before its coolant ran out. Once the cryogenic coolant was exhausted the telescope's own internal heat washed out the long wavelength far infrared part of the spectrum it was surveying. Thus there was no time to wait for Saturn to "move out of the way" for the survey to go back and scan that part of the sky without Saturn in it. In fact IRAS was designed to scan the sky line by line with a single column of pixels, and as a result of the way it scanned the sky, Saturn was captured twice at two different time points resulting in a "double image" of the planet. Quoting: The Gentle Astromut [link to skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov (secure)] If you look up the raw data tables on the IRAS data, you'll find that this area of the sky was scanned on two dates, July 14 1983 and July 24 1983. [link to irsa.ipac.caltech.edu] The above link appears to be a temporary directory created when I called up the tables that correspond to those coordinates, but it will probably be removed after a certain period of time, so I downloaded a couple of the scan tables and uploaded them here for future reference, they are the .tbl files: [link to dropcanvas.com] UTCS in the above scan tables refers to seconds from the date January 1, 1981. Adding the seconds seen in those scan tables to that date you arrive at July 14 and July 24, 1983. Now take the coordinates of Saturn as seen from earth on those two dates and plug them back into IRAS raw image search (accessible here: [link to irsa.ipac.caltech.edu] ): July 14 1983 coordinates: 13h 47m 56.27s -08d 28' 02.9" July 24 1983 coordinates: 13h 48m 57.41s -08d 36' 36.4" Here are the resulting charts, the cyan crosshairs show where those coordinates match up with the IRAS data: July 14 1983 coordinates: [link to h.dropcanvas.com] July 24 1983 coordinates: [link to h.dropcanvas.com] A perfect match in both cases. These grayscale images are from the 12 micron band. You can take those coordinates into SkyView Virtual Observatory ( [link to skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov (secure)] ) and generate color versions if you like. The 100 micron band with the "Prism" color table selected appears to be what was featured above in your photo: [link to h.dropcanvas.com] You'll note the black box is there again in the IRIS data, but not in the original IRAS data which is also available from SkyView. The arrow on the right side of your chart simply points to CW Leonis, which is an infrared bright carbon star light years away. CW Leonis (visible vs infrared light): Quoting: Dr. Astro [link to h.dropcanvas.com] Parallax comparison between May and now: [link to h.dropcanvas.com] No detectable parallax present, so it really is many light years away; if it were in our solar system or even within a couple of light years we would be observing noticeable amounts of parallax between those two images. You're welcome. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73098933 United States 09/16/2017 12:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Zavijah is in my image and it is right next to Mercury in that image. Since you tards complained about the planets being too low in the 1910 example I provided additional examples which you are deliberately ignoring and lying about. Quoting: The Gentle Astromut I love it when 'scientists' start insulting those that they cannot convince with poor scientific data. You are not going to convince me of anything until you start showing us fulfillments post 1947. I've already stated (as has everyone promoting this sign) that this is near fulfillment on a frequent basis. |
Hamlet's Mill
User ID: 75524276 United States 09/16/2017 12:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We will read "two black holes attracting each orher can travel faster than light" then everything will make sense. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75096767 I just linked this thread to my DaVinci "discoveries" this week--one code found in the center lunnette of The Last Supper Mural--refers to Revelations 12:23. If GOOGLE is connecting whatever the "two red orbs" this OP believes is behind the "patch"--and that this has something to do with September 23rd 2017...I would suggest an astronomy magazine thread up last month. There has been an announcement by NASA and other astronomy magazines that people on Earth will be able to view with their own eyes a bright light in the skies that is a SUPERNOVA. They reported that between now and 2020 that the 2 companion stars in the constellation CYGNUS will merge and supernova close enough for us to see it. Google's patch may have been done to keep this info secret until officials decided that the event was CLOSE ENOUGH to make the announcement. Anyone with any links about this would be appreciated since I didn't keep the article I'm referring to. I'll try to find some other source and post it here when I can. Here is a video: [link to youtu.be (secure)] They are reporting the supernova to be around 2022...but other articles I have seen say any time between NOW and 2022. So, still within a 5 year timeline is still very close to the Rev 12:23 scripture to be accurate. CharlieSIF The location of this 2022 companion star explosion in the right wing of Cygnus also ties into the bible's symbolism quite amazingly. Cygnus the Swan constellation contains the Northern Cross within its body & wing stars. Deneb –alpha star of Cygnus– is the "tail of the Swan" & "head of the (Northern) Cross." [link to www.biblicalastronomy.com] "While usually regarded as a summertime pattern, the Northern Cross is best oriented for viewing now. (i.e. December 21 – December 25). It appears to stand majestically upright on the northwest horizon at around 8:30 p.m. local time, forming an appropriate Christmas symbol. (And just before dawn on Easter morning, the cross lies on its side in the eastern sky.)" December 21, 2012 [link to www.space.com (secure)] What most amazes me about this 2022 companion star explosion is the symbolic location in left–hand location of the Northern Cross. The "right hand of God" is the power place of favor with the Father...while the "left–hand path" is the dark occult outcast path of Lucifer. "The Latin word for “left handed” means “sinister.” Eccl. 10:2 links “a wise man’s heart” with his right hand, and “a fool’s heart” with his left. When the Son of Man separates the sheep from the goats at the Last Judgment, it is to the damned “on the left hand” that he says, “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire” (Matt. 25:41). (A classical parallel may be found in Plato’s myth of Er [Republic, bk. 10], where at death the just souls take the righthand upward path while the unjust must take the downward path on the left.) Rabbinic tradition also establishes hell to the left of God, and heaven on his right side (Midr. Ps. 90:12)." [link to www.thywordistruth.com] In 2022...at the left hand on the Northern Cross of God...Lucifer burns brightly–out again. Isaiah 14:12: "How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn..." Last Edited by TerraFirma's Esoterrorist on 09/16/2017 12:12 PM "Keep a weather eye to the chart on high and go home another way" –James Taylor Never Die Young |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75350898 United States 09/16/2017 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Neither is September 23rd. [link to www.hebcal.com (secure)] Good job shooting yourself in the foot. Like I said earlier, One Week after the 23rd is The Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) on September 30. |