Is God's Covenant with Israel, the Abrahamic Covenant, Conditional or Unconditional? | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75147727 United States 06/26/2017 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now the LORD had said to Abram: "Get out of your country, From your family And from your father's house, To a land that I will show you. I will make you a great nation; I will bless you And make your name great; And you shall be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." Genesis 12:1-3 NKJV |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75147727 United States 06/26/2017 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Genesis 15 After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying, "Do not be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward." But Abram said, "Lord GOD, what will You give me, seeing I go childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?" Then Abram said, "Look, You have given me no offspring; indeed one born in my house is my heir!" And behold, the word of the LORD came to him, saying, "This one shall not be your heir, but one who will come from your own body shall be your heir." Then He brought him outside and said, "Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them." And He said to him, "So shall your descendants be." And he believed in the LORD, and He accounted it to him for righteousness. Then He said to him, "I am the LORD, who brought you out of Ur of the Chaldeans, to give you this land to inherit it." And he said, "Lord GOD, how shall I know that I will inherit it?" So He said to him, "Bring Me a three-year-old heifer, a three-year-old female goat, a three-year-old ram, a turtledove, and a young pigeon." Then he brought all these to Him and cut them in two, down the middle, and placed each piece opposite the other; but he did not cut the birds in two. And when the vultures came down on the carcasses, Abram drove them away. Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, horror and great darkness fell upon him. Then He said to Abram: "Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. "And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. "Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. "But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete." And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces. On the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying: "To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— "the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, "the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, "the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites." Genesis 15:1-21 |
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User ID: 74959151 United States 06/26/2017 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Satan can not be against Satan. A house divided will fall. Total inhalation IS protocol of War. Hope that answers all the questions as of Date. Last Edited by messagehalted on 06/26/2017 07:35 PM All my post are theatrical artistic writing . |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75147727 United States 06/26/2017 07:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now while I was speaking, praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God, yes, while I was speaking in prayer, the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, reached me about the time of the evening offering. And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, "O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you skill to understand. "At the beginning of your supplications the command went out, and I have come to tell you, for you are greatly beloved; therefore consider the matter, and understand the vision: "Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy. "Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times. "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined. Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate." Daniel 9:20-27 |
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User ID: 74959151 United States 06/26/2017 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | many many verses. Those who deny me deny my father that is in heaven and are the antichrist. just one of many Everyone has already denied him. Good luck... Can you faithfully says what you perceive as God is true? Brainwashing is not a defense to judgement. Law is always applied even if forgiven. As below so above... Last Edited by messagehalted on 06/26/2017 07:41 PM All my post are theatrical artistic writing . |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75114483 United States 06/26/2017 07:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's unconditional. You don't have to believe the messiah, nowhere it says that. Nowhere. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75145604 yes it does Greek testament doesn't count. There was a covenant made. Mt Ebal & Gerezem a curse or blessing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75114483 United States 06/26/2017 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Question: "What is the Abrahamic Covenant?" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75147727 Answer: A covenant is an agreement between two parties. There are two basic types of covenants: conditional and unconditional. A conditional or bilateral covenant is an agreement that is binding on both parties for its fulfillment. Both parties agree to fulfill certain conditions. If either party fails to meet their responsibilities, the covenant is broken and neither party has to fulfill the expectations of the covenant. An unconditional or unilateral covenant is an agreement between two parties, but only one of the two parties has to do something. Nothing is required of the other party. The Abrahamic Covenant is an unconditional covenant. God made promises to Abraham that required nothing of Abraham. Genesis 15:18–21 describes a part of the Abrahamic Covenant, specifically dealing with the dimensions of the land God promised to Abraham and his descendants. The actual Abrahamic Covenant is found in Genesis 12:1–3. The ceremony recorded in Genesis 15 indicates the unconditional nature of the covenant. The only time that both parties of a covenant would pass between the pieces of animals was when the fulfillment of the covenant was dependent upon both parties keeping commitments. Concerning the significance of God alone moving between the halves of the animals, it is to be noted that it is a smoking furnace and a flaming torch, representing God, not Abraham, which passed between the pieces. Such an act, it would seem, should be shared by both parties, but in this case God’s solitary action is doubtless to be explained by the fact that the covenant is principally a promise by God. He binds Himself to the covenant. God caused a sleep to fall upon Abraham so that he would not be able to pass between the two halves of the animals. Fulfillment of the covenant fell to God alone. [link to www.gotquestions.org (secure)] As to accept the covenant fell to Abraham alone. Nothing is unconditional but the offer of salvation. |
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User ID: 74361720 United States 06/26/2017 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Question: "What is the Abrahamic Covenant?" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75147727 Answer: A covenant is an agreement between two parties. There are two basic types of covenants: conditional and unconditional. A conditional or bilateral covenant is an agreement that is binding on both parties for its fulfillment. Both parties agree to fulfill certain conditions. If either party fails to meet their responsibilities, the covenant is broken and neither party has to fulfill the expectations of the covenant. An unconditional or unilateral covenant is an agreement between two parties, but only one of the two parties has to do something. Nothing is required of the other party. The Abrahamic Covenant is an unconditional covenant. God made promises to Abraham that required nothing of Abraham. Genesis 15:18–21 describes a part of the Abrahamic Covenant, specifically dealing with the dimensions of the land God promised to Abraham and his descendants. The actual Abrahamic Covenant is found in Genesis 12:1–3. The ceremony recorded in Genesis 15 indicates the unconditional nature of the covenant. The only time that both parties of a covenant would pass between the pieces of animals was when the fulfillment of the covenant was dependent upon both parties keeping commitments. Concerning the significance of God alone moving between the halves of the animals, it is to be noted that it is a smoking furnace and a flaming torch, representing God, not Abraham, which passed between the pieces. Such an act, it would seem, should be shared by both parties, but in this case God’s solitary action is doubtless to be explained by the fact that the covenant is principally a promise by God. He binds Himself to the covenant. God caused a sleep to fall upon Abraham so that he would not be able to pass between the two halves of the animals. Fulfillment of the covenant fell to God alone. [link to www.gotquestions.org (secure)] Of course it did. And it is a pattern. Principally for us to experience our role as men. And to establish a trust with us and build faith that we might be useful. The most noticeable spike in my walk with God happened simultaneously as I realized my place with him. To let him do all the work, and he take all the glory. When man works God does not. I rank this high as one of the greatest understandings I've come to know. It builds faith. And faith yields results. Got to direct you to the church I learned this from. HTTPS:/www.josephprince.com |
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User ID: 73410537 Canada 06/26/2017 08:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's unconditional. You don't have to believe the messiah, nowhere it says that. Nowhere. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75145604 You think the ceremony of killing animals had power in and of itself? Or was it the faith in the future sacrifice by the Son of God, and the cleansing power of the blood of the Lamb (Jesus)? What do you think those sacrifices pointed to? They were shadows, of which Jesus is the substance. "For the Lord God shall not do anything, unless first he tell his secret, or his private plans to his servants, the prophets." Amos 3:7 WYC |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 75147727 United States 06/26/2017 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's unconditional. You don't have to believe the messiah, nowhere it says that. Nowhere. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75145604 You think the ceremony of killing animals had power in and of itself? Or was it the faith in the future sacrifice by the Son of God, and the cleansing power of the blood of the Lamb (Jesus)? What do you think those sacrifices pointed to? They were shadows, of which Jesus is the substance. We could have just continued this discussion in your thread and given you countless bumps which is all you really want anyway if you didn't have to be such a self-righteous know-it-all little bitch... Just sayin'. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69293038 United States 06/26/2017 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never knew a God named Yahweh. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69293038 They worshiped "El". Abram began worship of El then met the Lord and became Abraham. Many of his seed continue to worship his Lord. Not true. No one had even heard of Yahweh until the time of Moses, somewhere around 600 years later. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75145604 Brazil 06/26/2017 08:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's unconditional. You don't have to believe the messiah, nowhere it says that. Nowhere. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75145604 You? You are not the nation of Israel. You are you and you need Jesus you rotten son of a You don't need any Jesus. If you're looking for the G-d of the Old Testament then ask the Jws not Jesus: Isa_42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; Says the prophet Isaiah not me, sorry to inform you. |
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