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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75112487 United States 10/21/2017 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For article and survey results... [link to jwsurvey.org] Quoting: XJDUB Select Comments - One elder in the congregation I am in now says that the UN membership is a lie being spread by apostates... these guys have so much stress in their lives, the one thing they can count on is the Organization. Thus, they will defend the organization no matter what, for their own sanity. He says that it has never been a benefit for any organization to keep things like this a secret; in the end it can only hurt the organization... what we are seeing is the descent of an organization. As it is falling, the members start attacking their own, causing an even faster fall. I was spoken to by the elders last month for my answers, where I say things they consider negative. I have been gagged- I can only give positive answers from now on. So we only hear wonderful LaLa Land answers at the hall, no one is able to bring out reality because reality is viewed as being negative. ... the yearly report will no longer be found in the Yearbook anymore. Is this not another act of desperation? Just when the worldwide decreases are about to start, the GB in its wisdom changes the arrangement for the annual year report. To keep them hidden, no doubt. - The organization has gone from being a publishing company to being a property company. The GB is building kingdom halls like crazy while the publisher numbers are large enough to give adequate donations, and while there is enough free labour. Once the publisher numbers collapse, the GB will sell the halls and make incredible profit off the transactions. - I’ve never really considered what will happen should the organisation collapse. All the money the org has accumulated from the sale of properties and from publisher donations is going to be a fabulous pension pot!! Not a penny of it will find its way back to the rank and file that made it all possible. Disgusted that I once bought into all their bs! - Numbers don’t lie, people do. ... The seven Führer’s of the WTBTS are in their bunker hoping that Jesus, Jehovah or Armageddon will come and get them out of their predicament that they have placed themselves in... These idiots that put their faith in the promises of men are not to be hated but pitied. - The Seventh Day Adventists also didn’t get banned in Russia. They don’t have a strict disfellowshiping system where extreme shunning is carried out. And they have the ability to safely leave their religion if they wish, without losing their family and friends through shunning. - The way the elders comport themselves is sickening, and is making the worship of Jehovah into a farce. - ... most elders are just too cowardly to take a stand in any important way against what they abhor when it means they might stand out themselves as targets. - Watchtower and Awake! publications will be once again downsized to one (1) printing every three (3) months and a discontinuing of the publication of the Yearbook altogether! - ... something is definitely amiss in Jehovah Land. I wonder what it could be? Maybe the friends aren’t doing enough, yeah that’s it! - An older colleague at work once told me that getting old is not the problem, it is remaining relevant. This organisation is old but has no relevance – the message is toothless, confusing and patronizing, it cannot be backed up by facts or fulfilled predictions... Scare tactics, shunning, mind control have no relevance in the age of information. The latest venture into televangelism is too little too late, others have being doing this for decades with very little success. Being spoken to like a child by a bunch of old males in the US insults most people is cringe-worthy at best and is not a sustainable business model. On the other hand, Love is always relevant and is a natural and inherent trait of all humans. It drives and respects your conscience and life decisions, brings happiness, grows people, family and communities. - “Figures don’t lie, but liars figure”. - Russell eloquently wrote the following truism that: If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now; … But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. “New Light” never extinguishes older “light” but adds to it… - Zion’s Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188. - True Christian Freedom is worth everything. It is far better to make your own choices with your own conscience ‘dying on your feet’ than following the misguided council of others and slavishly ‘live on your knees’. - ... the Love they have is VERY Conditional and only based on loyalty to an organization. - Any scripture can be used to push a point and that’s not the purpose of being a better Christian. - We can take fractions of blood but not whole blood but no matter how you slice the apple, it is still an apple. Well, technically Jehovah, I didn’t eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge – I just nibbled at it a bit. - Nobody wants to be thought of as ignorant or stupid enough to be duped. Yet millions have and not only by this cult but by Scientology as well. The stupid ones are those too prideful to recognize that being hoodwinked by professional con men is nothing to be ashamed of. Didn’t P.T. Barnum say that “there was a sucker born every minute”? ... Cognitive dissonance is definitely in play along with blatant egotism. - Where in the Bible does it say Christ does not accept a follower of his who votes in political elections? God himself manipulated events so Joseph would be the second highest political figure in a “pagan” nation; God also manipulated events to put Daniel in the 3rd highest political position inside a “pagan” nation. The scriptures state God places all authorities in their respective positions. Since he places them there doesn’t he use votes as one tool to do such, inside republics or semi-democratic nations? Why should the votes of Christians be excluded when God’s influence over Christians should be greater than his influence over non-Christians... Why is it God would excuse any false teaching or behavior from the WT Society and its authority figures when he will not excuse those behaviors from other Christian denomination members? - Try asking them to show you their copy of The finished Mystery by C.T.Russell. An invisible Jesus is supposed to have viewed Russell’s work before declaring Russells views as one hundred percent correct, the one true faith and all other religions to be in apostasy. This being the case and given that the truth never changes, every JW should have a copy and the entire works of Russell should be under glass at WT headquarters. Are they? - ... being a Christian is different to being a Witness. For example, being a Witness means wanting the end to come as fast as possible, keep repeating it is imminent, keep mentioning years, to ensure our salvation. Being a Christian means feeling sorry for the 8 billion people who will be destroyed... Being a Christian means taking immediate action to rectify what has gone wrong so that others are not hurt- love of neighbour means we care about the victims, while love of God means we don’t want to dirty his name by the shameful conduct of some leaders in our organization. Similar to when an aircraft crashes: an investigation takes place immediately and any findings of faulty parts or faulty process are acted on immediately so as to protect others. - Why is submission so strongly emphasised in our org, when it should be love which is emphasised? What was Jesus known for? His control over people, making sure they recognized his position? Or his love? So what should an organization that Jesus is head of be known for? Wow. That was incredible to read. I wish I could pin this. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75058125 Germany 10/26/2017 04:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For article and survey results... [link to jwsurvey.org] Quoting: XJDUB Select Comments - One elder in the congregation I am in now says that the UN membership is a lie being spread by apostates... these guys have so much stress in their lives, the one thing they can count on is the Organization. Thus, they will defend the organization no matter what, for their own sanity. He says that it has never been a benefit for any organization to keep things like this a secret; in the end it can only hurt the organization... what we are seeing is the descent of an organization. As it is falling, the members start attacking their own, causing an even faster fall. I was spoken to by the elders last month for my answers, where I say things they consider negative. I have been gagged- I can only give positive answers from now on. So we only hear wonderful LaLa Land answers at the hall, no one is able to bring out reality because reality is viewed as being negative. ... the yearly report will no longer be found in the Yearbook anymore. Is this not another act of desperation? Just when the worldwide decreases are about to start, the GB in its wisdom changes the arrangement for the annual year report. To keep them hidden, no doubt. - The organization has gone from being a publishing company to being a property company. The GB is building kingdom halls like crazy while the publisher numbers are large enough to give adequate donations, and while there is enough free labour. Once the publisher numbers collapse, the GB will sell the halls and make incredible profit off the transactions. - I’ve never really considered what will happen should the organisation collapse. All the money the org has accumulated from the sale of properties and from publisher donations is going to be a fabulous pension pot!! Not a penny of it will find its way back to the rank and file that made it all possible. Disgusted that I once bought into all their bs! - Numbers don’t lie, people do. ... The seven Führer’s of the WTBTS are in their bunker hoping that Jesus, Jehovah or Armageddon will come and get them out of their predicament that they have placed themselves in... These idiots that put their faith in the promises of men are not to be hated but pitied. - The Seventh Day Adventists also didn’t get banned in Russia. They don’t have a strict disfellowshiping system where extreme shunning is carried out. And they have the ability to safely leave their religion if they wish, without losing their family and friends through shunning. - The way the elders comport themselves is sickening, and is making the worship of Jehovah into a farce. - ... most elders are just too cowardly to take a stand in any important way against what they abhor when it means they might stand out themselves as targets. - Watchtower and Awake! publications will be once again downsized to one (1) printing every three (3) months and a discontinuing of the publication of the Yearbook altogether! - ... something is definitely amiss in Jehovah Land. I wonder what it could be? Maybe the friends aren’t doing enough, yeah that’s it! - An older colleague at work once told me that getting old is not the problem, it is remaining relevant. This organisation is old but has no relevance – the message is toothless, confusing and patronizing, it cannot be backed up by facts or fulfilled predictions... Scare tactics, shunning, mind control have no relevance in the age of information. The latest venture into televangelism is too little too late, others have being doing this for decades with very little success. Being spoken to like a child by a bunch of old males in the US insults most people is cringe-worthy at best and is not a sustainable business model. On the other hand, Love is always relevant and is a natural and inherent trait of all humans. It drives and respects your conscience and life decisions, brings happiness, grows people, family and communities. - “Figures don’t lie, but liars figure”. - Russell eloquently wrote the following truism that: If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now; … But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. “New Light” never extinguishes older “light” but adds to it… - Zion’s Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188. - True Christian Freedom is worth everything. It is far better to make your own choices with your own conscience ‘dying on your feet’ than following the misguided council of others and slavishly ‘live on your knees’. - ... the Love they have is VERY Conditional and only based on loyalty to an organization. - Any scripture can be used to push a point and that’s not the purpose of being a better Christian. - We can take fractions of blood but not whole blood but no matter how you slice the apple, it is still an apple. Well, technically Jehovah, I didn’t eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge – I just nibbled at it a bit. - Nobody wants to be thought of as ignorant or stupid enough to be duped. Yet millions have and not only by this cult but by Scientology as well. The stupid ones are those too prideful to recognize that being hoodwinked by professional con men is nothing to be ashamed of. Didn’t P.T. Barnum say that “there was a sucker born every minute”? ... Cognitive dissonance is definitely in play along with blatant egotism. - Where in the Bible does it say Christ does not accept a follower of his who votes in political elections? God himself manipulated events so Joseph would be the second highest political figure in a “pagan” nation; God also manipulated events to put Daniel in the 3rd highest political position inside a “pagan” nation. The scriptures state God places all authorities in their respective positions. Since he places them there doesn’t he use votes as one tool to do such, inside republics or semi-democratic nations? Why should the votes of Christians be excluded when God’s influence over Christians should be greater than his influence over non-Christians... Why is it God would excuse any false teaching or behavior from the WT Society and its authority figures when he will not excuse those behaviors from other Christian denomination members? - Try asking them to show you their copy of The finished Mystery by C.T.Russell. An invisible Jesus is supposed to have viewed Russell’s work before declaring Russells views as one hundred percent correct, the one true faith and all other religions to be in apostasy. This being the case and given that the truth never changes, every JW should have a copy and the entire works of Russell should be under glass at WT headquarters. Are they? - ... being a Christian is different to being a Witness. For example, being a Witness means wanting the end to come as fast as possible, keep repeating it is imminent, keep mentioning years, to ensure our salvation. Being a Christian means feeling sorry for the 8 billion people who will be destroyed... Being a Christian means taking immediate action to rectify what has gone wrong so that others are not hurt- love of neighbour means we care about the victims, while love of God means we don’t want to dirty his name by the shameful conduct of some leaders in our organization. Similar to when an aircraft crashes: an investigation takes place immediately and any findings of faulty parts or faulty process are acted on immediately so as to protect others. - Why is submission so strongly emphasised in our org, when it should be love which is emphasised? What was Jesus known for? His control over people, making sure they recognized his position? Or his love? So what should an organization that Jesus is head of be known for? The comment sections are always the best! |
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Jesus User ID: 69975801 Germany 10/31/2017 05:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For article and survey results... [link to jwsurvey.org] Quoting: XJDUB Select Comments - One elder in the congregation I am in now says that the UN membership is a lie being spread by apostates... these guys have so much stress in their lives, the one thing they can count on is the Organization. Thus, they will defend the organization no matter what, for their own sanity. He says that it has never been a benefit for any organization to keep things like this a secret; in the end it can only hurt the organization... what we are seeing is the descent of an organization. As it is falling, the members start attacking their own, causing an even faster fall. I was spoken to by the elders last month for my answers, where I say things they consider negative. I have been gagged- I can only give positive answers from now on. So we only hear wonderful LaLa Land answers at the hall, no one is able to bring out reality because reality is viewed as being negative. ... the yearly report will no longer be found in the Yearbook anymore. Is this not another act of desperation? Just when the worldwide decreases are about to start, the GB in its wisdom changes the arrangement for the annual year report. To keep them hidden, no doubt. - The organization has gone from being a publishing company to being a property company. The GB is building kingdom halls like crazy while the publisher numbers are large enough to give adequate donations, and while there is enough free labour. Once the publisher numbers collapse, the GB will sell the halls and make incredible profit off the transactions. - I’ve never really considered what will happen should the organisation collapse. All the money the org has accumulated from the sale of properties and from publisher donations is going to be a fabulous pension pot!! Not a penny of it will find its way back to the rank and file that made it all possible. Disgusted that I once bought into all their bs! - Numbers don’t lie, people do. ... The seven Führer’s of the WTBTS are in their bunker hoping that Jesus, Jehovah or Armageddon will come and get them out of their predicament that they have placed themselves in... These idiots that put their faith in the promises of men are not to be hated but pitied. - The Seventh Day Adventists also didn’t get banned in Russia. They don’t have a strict disfellowshiping system where extreme shunning is carried out. And they have the ability to safely leave their religion if they wish, without losing their family and friends through shunning. - The way the elders comport themselves is sickening, and is making the worship of Jehovah into a farce. - ... most elders are just too cowardly to take a stand in any important way against what they abhor when it means they might stand out themselves as targets. - Watchtower and Awake! publications will be once again downsized to one (1) printing every three (3) months and a discontinuing of the publication of the Yearbook altogether! - ... something is definitely amiss in Jehovah Land. I wonder what it could be? Maybe the friends aren’t doing enough, yeah that’s it! - An older colleague at work once told me that getting old is not the problem, it is remaining relevant. This organisation is old but has no relevance – the message is toothless, confusing and patronizing, it cannot be backed up by facts or fulfilled predictions... Scare tactics, shunning, mind control have no relevance in the age of information. The latest venture into televangelism is too little too late, others have being doing this for decades with very little success. Being spoken to like a child by a bunch of old males in the US insults most people is cringe-worthy at best and is not a sustainable business model. On the other hand, Love is always relevant and is a natural and inherent trait of all humans. It drives and respects your conscience and life decisions, brings happiness, grows people, family and communities. - “Figures don’t lie, but liars figure”. - Russell eloquently wrote the following truism that: If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now; … But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. “New Light” never extinguishes older “light” but adds to it… - Zion’s Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188. - True Christian Freedom is worth everything. It is far better to make your own choices with your own conscience ‘dying on your feet’ than following the misguided council of others and slavishly ‘live on your knees’. - ... the Love they have is VERY Conditional and only based on loyalty to an organization. - Any scripture can be used to push a point and that’s not the purpose of being a better Christian. - We can take fractions of blood but not whole blood but no matter how you slice the apple, it is still an apple. Well, technically Jehovah, I didn’t eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge – I just nibbled at it a bit. - Nobody wants to be thought of as ignorant or stupid enough to be duped. Yet millions have and not only by this cult but by Scientology as well. The stupid ones are those too prideful to recognize that being hoodwinked by professional con men is nothing to be ashamed of. Didn’t P.T. Barnum say that “there was a sucker born every minute”? ... Cognitive dissonance is definitely in play along with blatant egotism. - Where in the Bible does it say Christ does not accept a follower of his who votes in political elections? God himself manipulated events so Joseph would be the second highest political figure in a “pagan” nation; God also manipulated events to put Daniel in the 3rd highest political position inside a “pagan” nation. The scriptures state God places all authorities in their respective positions. Since he places them there doesn’t he use votes as one tool to do such, inside republics or semi-democratic nations? Why should the votes of Christians be excluded when God’s influence over Christians should be greater than his influence over non-Christians... Why is it God would excuse any false teaching or behavior from the WT Society and its authority figures when he will not excuse those behaviors from other Christian denomination members? - Try asking them to show you their copy of The finished Mystery by C.T.Russell. An invisible Jesus is supposed to have viewed Russell’s work before declaring Russells views as one hundred percent correct, the one true faith and all other religions to be in apostasy. This being the case and given that the truth never changes, every JW should have a copy and the entire works of Russell should be under glass at WT headquarters. Are they? - ... being a Christian is different to being a Witness. For example, being a Witness means wanting the end to come as fast as possible, keep repeating it is imminent, keep mentioning years, to ensure our salvation. Being a Christian means feeling sorry for the 8 billion people who will be destroyed... Being a Christian means taking immediate action to rectify what has gone wrong so that others are not hurt- love of neighbour means we care about the victims, while love of God means we don’t want to dirty his name by the shameful conduct of some leaders in our organization. Similar to when an aircraft crashes: an investigation takes place immediately and any findings of faulty parts or faulty process are acted on immediately so as to protect others. - Why is submission so strongly emphasised in our org, when it should be love which is emphasised? What was Jesus known for? His control over people, making sure they recognized his position? Or his love? So what should an organization that Jesus is head of be known for? Why isn't this pinned already? Moderators! Please pin! This is important to those in cults help to get out! |
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