Hebrews Matthew Manuscripts Clear Up Greek Translation Problems - Early Church Fathers Said Matthew was in Hebrews

Bible is NOT a history book?

The Bible cover 4000+ years of God's interaction with mankind.

Hundreds of people AND places mentioned in it are proven to exist.

And there is not one single shred of evidence OF ANY KIND that actually DISPROVES anything in the Bible.



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There is no "Hebrew" Matthew.

You have NO proof that the NT wasn't originally written in Hebrew / Aramaic.

As far as old manuscripts go.....

Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

Apparent lack of evidence doesn't prove non-existence.

Do you have any "Hebrew" Matthew to show us?

No.

So there isnt any "Hebrew" Matthew.

It only serves to show you christians know your NT is Gentile from start to finish... Which is why you are so desperate to believe in a Jewish origin you cant prove.

Well, you're right. I mean, Eusebius does suggest that Matthew may composed in Hebrew at first. There's just no hard evidence of it. I don't really care either way. We do find Greek Aramaisms in Matthew, which suggests to me he may have just composed in Aramaic for the early Jerusalem and Antiochan churches. Mark certainly has quite a few Aramaisms and was first directed toward the congregation at Antioch.

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It's funny how tightly people want to hold to a Hellenized view of scripture.

You're just missing so much.

I don't. In the diaspora up in Galilee, the Septuagint no doubt would have been common. Aramaic targums would, no doubt, have been read in Synagogue on Sabbath. But, at that time, Judea and Galilee were just all part of Syria Provence to Rome. And so the most common tongue still would have been Greek by way of the Seleucids. So, don't fall into the trap of over Hebraising the New Testament either. It was written in the common tongue of the times - Koine Greek.

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Its also filled with Greek and Hellenistic thought.

So, Israel poster...Are you a believer in Messiah?

Let me clarify, in Yeshua Messiah of the NT?

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Well, when Paul is speaking to the Ephesians, or Corinthians, he's dealing with people who had just come out of a worldview where 'Diana' is God. So, he does employ their terms at times to explain spiritual concepts. John appeals to the language of Plato to describe the DABAR to Gentiles. But, when it's all said and done, they still camp with Jacob, if you know what I mean.

In jesus? no... not only I dont believe in him, I proudly hate and reject him.

You have NO proof in was originally written in Greek.

And it SURE is funny how the videos I posted cleared up problems with translation errors that the Greek created.

Thats what you believe.

Had you known Torah (and you dont) you would have seen anti Torah hellenism in every verse of the NT.

Please show us the Hebrew gospels.

Thank you.

I confess I couldn't bring myself to finish listening to our rabbi.

The solution is so simple that it could be solved in 30 seconds instead of 30 minutes of ingenius, albeit ignorant, rambling.

And, the only hard proof we have in extant texts is that they were all composed in Greek.

He was Hebrew, of the Tribe of Judah. His name was not and could never have been "Jesus". As you know, there is still no "J" in Hebrew.

Sorry you hate Him. At some point in the not too distant future, if you love our Heavenly Father, you will change your mind.

Thank you for answering.

There is not one shred of PROOF that this is the case. Not one.

jesus, yeshu yeshu yehoshua whatever???

Anyway, I could say the same.
In the future you will reject jesus and come to hate him.

Im doing well, more or less.
I trust you are more Judaized than last time we talked :D

How are you?

Except that's what all the church fathers claim from the earliest antenicene period, and those are the oldest extant texts we have.

Other than over 5000 early texts of the Greek New Testament, no we have no proof, except the overwhelming textual extant proof.

Still loving Torah, so I guess that means pretty good.

I don't blame you for thinking the Brit Chadashah seems hellenized. That's what the Greek language does. It's rife with pagan words and nuances.

Its not about the words names and terms.

I thought you respected me enough to know that when I say such a thing Im referring to the doctrines and message.

I do respect you, but I think you misunderstand the doctrines and messages. You think of them the way mainstream Christianity thinks of them: That it's all about a messiah who broke torah and teaches the law was "nailed to the cross."

Of course, the BC teaches nothing of the sort. Y'shua told us the torah isn't done away with and instructed us to obey the teachings of the pharisees.

How many times have you studied from Orthodox Rabbis, and then reverse engineered what you have learned back into the NT?

Keep doing that, at the end there will be no more NT.

I got stuck in Moscow airport with a terminal full of black hat wearing Orthodox Russian Jews. Jew Jews. Jews who wanted you to know, 'I'm JEWISH, BLAST IT!'.

I was starving. There was nothing good to eat in the cafe except Borscht. They shared their kosher peanut brittle bars with me. So, I never knock kosher. Saved my life one time.

I think orthodox rabbis probably have a lot of wisdom to impart, but I'd rather inspired writ be my authority than fallible men.

KINDLY stay on topic folks.

Ah yes, VIP is that fellow who believes that Jesus was an invention of Caesar. I remember, now.

I mean no disrespect, But I know your type.

Either you study straight from Rabbis and you fall in love with their teachings.
Oh you study from highly Judaized christian pastors who study from Rabbis, and these pastors themselves are the ones reverse engineering that knowledge and make the NT fit it, without you realizing it they are changing the NT before your eyes.

Thats why you dont see how the NT is hellenist and anti Torah, because you keep reading a constantly reverse engineered NT that is Judaized away from its original message.

For example.
"You shall know them by their fruits"

This is so pagan and hellenist you dont even realize how anti Torah this saying is.

It is the same as "You shall be as gods knowing good and evil"

This is the essence of paganism.
The thought that if it is good - it is true.
if its bad - its a lie.

This is not Torah.

Torah teaches us that if its good it could be pretending and it is actually a lie.

But now we have christians calling other people wicked and evil because they dont agree with their opinions.

This is the basis of every pagan thought.

I absolutely cannot endure this guy's aimless rambling over minutia in order to prove something profound that could all be solved by one textual variant.

But, if anyone cares to have a go at it, here's a bump.



P.S. What's going on with the priest getup?

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