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SolidGround
User ID: 76778667 United States 11/30/2018 06:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you don't move into the position, someone else will. It's not like you got him fired so you could take his job. He knows that the position that he left will have to be filled. Maybe talk to him, tell him how you feel. I bet he will understand. You have a conscience, which is very good. Not many out there today like you. Last Edited by SolidGround on 11/30/2018 06:17 AM SolidGround |
Centurionx
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Weyoun
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rosicrucian1
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73724938 United States 11/30/2018 07:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Miggy
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Timur2020
User ID: 72846224 United States 11/30/2018 08:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A colleague on one of our European offices failed to cooperate with our manager on a task. He disagreed with the approach she chose to take her department. He was very vocal and refused to implement the changes. A major project was scheduled and he was told, on this day it would get done. Period. He never came to work, he was 'sick'. In an emergency, I was pulled in, had to learn this complex environment he build over four years and quickly complete the migration. I didnt have many good things to say about him after that. We had never met but this was enough. Quoting: TinfoilHatMan Fast forward a year and I was ultimately offered this job. Mine was going away and both my manager and the manager I helped on this project wanted me in that group to retain me. I started helping with US based projects and ultimately my colleague in Europe was let go. I flew here on Monday to formally take over his job. Part of.his termination was to transfer his role to me this week. We spent a lot of time together. Hes a good man. He went through a terrible trauma last year losing his wife and having his family separated, he had some major medical issues and decided work wasn't t worth sacraficing your life for. German law protects him from more than 10hrs a day of work, termination and after hours expectations....all of which this US company demanded without regard for local laws. Ultimately, they negotiated a package and he agreed to leave. This is a good guy...51 with a 4yr old son he loves to death, a wife who left him and is scared he wont find employment again for a long time. I feel terrible I didnt know him better, that I didn't advocate for him instead of against him. Now I'm taking his job and I feel like a terrible sinner. How can I live with myself? This man has bills, feelings and a family too. What do I do? Oh give me a break. You catered to the batch and helped her do something evil or stupid, it was ok with you and he was wrong all along for challenging this stupid wig and you like her/it? Sorry about your "guilt". I am sure your new wife will play it daily as she drives and demands you make her look like she should even be there at all. Meanwhile you should know, when you can't or won't make her look good she will dump you flat for the next face saving appeaser. You moslum or mexican by any chance? You said he was german and they are getting rid of all the whites they can. Last Edited by Timur2020 on 11/30/2018 08:06 AM "Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind" Covid, fake riots, communist organizers - keep your powder dry America. This was not the disease or the riots, those both are still on down the line. Garden garden grow spices and medical plants too. I am a VeterAid volunteer for Arrogant Mushroom Healers of Alamogordo. |
Ender's Game
User ID: 77121438 United States 11/30/2018 08:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
MissCleo
User ID: 76541118 United States 11/30/2018 08:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Goals and objectives of a company is to achieve and surpass in the most efficient manner. I've always been a company-girl, working toward the finished product because that's what business is. Humans are emotional creatures. Sometimes they aren't meant for a job. Skill set is based on the company allowing the right people to accomplish tasks. If you feel you need to say something to the person whos job you took then offer an apology. They didn't fail, you just advanced, that's human dynamics. |
Pablo von Gomez
User ID: 1882574 United States 11/30/2018 08:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
cosmicgypsy
User ID: 74619032 United States 11/30/2018 08:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Life is full of lessons, some of them are tough lessons.... You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
TinfoilHatMan
(OP) User ID: 76001960 United States 11/30/2018 09:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
TinfoilHatMan
(OP) User ID: 76001960 United States 11/30/2018 09:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There's nothing you can do about it Quoting: Pablo von Gomez You can try to contact him and give him a good reference for his resume I offered that to him in person yesterday. He thanked me but told me it's not customary in Germany, especially when he'll be listing he's still employeed to avoid gaps. |
Kenny B
User ID: 77094601 United States 11/30/2018 09:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Give him some of your paycheck :) |
Kenny B
User ID: 77094601 United States 11/30/2018 09:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Help him out if he needs it See how he is doing atm |
TinfoilHatMan
(OP) User ID: 76001960 United States 11/30/2018 09:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A colleague on one of our European offices failed to cooperate with our manager on a task. He disagreed with the approach she chose to take her department. He was very vocal and refused to implement the changes. A major project was scheduled and he was told, on this day it would get done. Period. He never came to work, he was 'sick'. In an emergency, I was pulled in, had to learn this complex environment he build over four years and quickly complete the migration. I didnt have many good things to say about him after that. We had never met but this was enough. Quoting: TinfoilHatMan Fast forward a year and I was ultimately offered this job. Mine was going away and both my manager and the manager I helped on this project wanted me in that group to retain me. I started helping with US based projects and ultimately my colleague in Europe was let go. I flew here on Monday to formally take over his job. Part of.his termination was to transfer his role to me this week. We spent a lot of time together. Hes a good man. He went through a terrible trauma last year losing his wife and having his family separated, he had some major medical issues and decided work wasn't t worth sacraficing your life for. German law protects him from more than 10hrs a day of work, termination and after hours expectations....all of which this US company demanded without regard for local laws. Ultimately, they negotiated a package and he agreed to leave. This is a good guy...51 with a 4yr old son he loves to death, a wife who left him and is scared he wont find employment again for a long time. I feel terrible I didnt know him better, that I didn't advocate for him instead of against him. Now I'm taking his job and I feel like a terrible sinner. How can I live with myself? This man has bills, feelings and a family too. What do I do? Oh give me a break. You catered to the batch and helped her do something evil or stupid, it was ok with you and he was wrong all along for challenging this stupid wig and you like her/it? Sorry about your "guilt". I am sure your new wife will play it daily as she drives and demands you make her look like she should even be there at all. Meanwhile you should know, when you can't or won't make her look good she will dump you flat for the next face saving appeaser. You moslum or mexican by any chance? You said he was german and they are getting rid of all the whites they can. Wow... First of all, I'm a white American from Eurpoean descent, 37, born and raised in New England. So no, I'm not Mexican or Muslim. And when you refer to my new 'wife', I assume you mean manager. Yes, I firmly believe you are correct. She'll drop me like a bad habit as fast as I'm no longer useful. I firmly believe shes self serving to advance herself at whatever expense it mY come at. I have tenure here. If she lays me off, I'm looking at a full year severance. I will ride it out to the end without concern, so I'm not really worried about any sudden actions against me. |
TinfoilHatMan
(OP) User ID: 76001960 United States 11/30/2018 09:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know something, I actually thought about that. I asked him to get on LinkedIn and connect with me. I plan to stay in touch with him. I thought, maybe if he ever needed help ... but it was an insulting thought and I quickly dismissed it. I have him a hug yesterday with a handshake and told him it was a pleasure working with him the last couple days and I was sorry to be losing a collegue. |
TinfoilHatMan
(OP) User ID: 76001960 United States 11/30/2018 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you don't move into the position, someone else will. Quoting: SolidGround It's not like you got him fired so you could take his job. He knows that the position that he left will have to be filled. Maybe talk to him, tell him how you feel. I bet he will understand. You have a conscience, which is very good. Not many out there today like you. But I didnt help matters. I bad mouthed him the day he hung us out to dry only to discover German employment law EXPECTED him to do exactly what he did. I spoke about the poor equipment selection used to build this environment only to discover this week it was because of limited budget to get this project off the ground. I feel like incontrivuted to his demise and I'm sickened by it. I talked about a guy I've never met, someone with a family, a life, a job...and I impacted it. I'm ashamed of myself. |
Anonymous Cowarcl
User ID: 77162458 Canada 11/30/2018 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You take the job. You pray for forgiveness for goulmouthing him. Ypu never foulmouth anyone again. You be a better employee than he ever was, work harder, smarter and be kinder and and more supportive and more open in terms of giving help to those both under and above you. And, above allm you make damn sure that you give him a truly great referenve. s |
Theobromine The Deplorable
User ID: 75249144 United States 11/30/2018 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There's nothing you can do about it Quoting: Pablo von Gomez You can try to contact him and give him a good reference for his resume Yes -offer to write a reference ! Say the job was for a US company and did not follow German employment guidelines and it took you a year to do it - just like he said. Back him up. But don't let the bitch catch wind of that! Or - get her fired - take HER job and hire him back! He may be unemployed for 2 years at his age - or take a much lower job to support his son - don't forget him - might send him to see a business associate that will hire him "What are you helping with all this helping?" Buddhist saying |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76465586 United States 11/30/2018 09:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
ChamesGamron
User ID: 76859794 United States 11/30/2018 09:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It sounds like your job causes you to sin against more than 1 person. Your details are thin, but it carries that overtone. I used to work for an appendage of the beast, it weighed heavily on me. I felt trapped and guilty. I knew that I would be giving up financial security, but after 15 years I could not do it anymore. Disclaimer: There is a 50% chance the above post should be taken sarcastically. |
~Spaze*Man~
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graff2
User ID: 75758325 United States 11/30/2018 09:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you take his resume and you submit it to every worthy business around him. Do it for him. Help him find that job. You know it's right. And it's not hard to submit resumes online either. Ive gotten MANY people jobs by doing this and have seen its worth SiTeS a sNaRe, sPiTEful & bArE Safety Disclaimer: Nothing I've ever said on this profile or any profile ever connected to or in communication with this profile or IP address, or any IP address affiliated with this profile or IP address, is meant to be construed as fact. Everything I say or appear to suggest is 100% satire or only meant for entertainment purposes. I dont believe anything I ever say here because it's all a joke and should all be considered as such. Assuming anything I've ever said is true or meant to be education, or anything any account ever, in any way whatsoever, remotely associated with this account or IP address is true or meant to be educational, would result in you assuming something on your own accord knowing what you are assuming is not based on fact. Every communication to and from this account is satire and/or entertainment only, always. |
TinfoilHatMan
(OP) User ID: 76001960 United States 11/30/2018 09:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you take his resume and you submit it to every worthy business around him. Do it for him. Help him find that job. Quoting: graff2 You know it's right. And it's not hard to submit resumes online either. Ive gotten MANY people jobs by doing this and have seen its worth This is the best solution I have heard. Thank you. I am going to do this. This is how I will make peace with this. Thank you. I'm going to reach out to him when I get home for a copy of his resume. I will submit it for every qualified position that I can. We never do know what Gods plan is. Hopefully he ends up happier and better off then he was with this company. |
Otto Nous
User ID: 76918744 United States 11/30/2018 10:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The job was not good fit for him and he was not good fit for the job. You cannot predict the future and don't know God's plan for him, so you don't need to feel guilty. Quoting: Weyoun ^THIS Best thing that ever happened to me was getting laid off from a job that was far from my calling. It took a bit of soul searching, but I ultimately found an infinitely better position for me. Send that vision for him in your prayers. |
graff2
User ID: 75758325 United States 11/30/2018 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you take his resume and you submit it to every worthy business around him. Do it for him. Help him find that job. Quoting: graff2 You know it's right. And it's not hard to submit resumes online either. Ive gotten MANY people jobs by doing this and have seen its worth This is the best solution I have heard. Thank you. I am going to do this. This is how I will make peace with this. Thank you. I'm going to reach out to him when I get home for a copy of his resume. I will submit it for every qualified position that I can. We never do know what Gods plan is. Hopefully he ends up happier and better off then he was with this company. Beautiful <3 You are very welcome. I'm so excited for you to succeed in this, both for you and him! SiTeS a sNaRe, sPiTEful & bArE Safety Disclaimer: Nothing I've ever said on this profile or any profile ever connected to or in communication with this profile or IP address, or any IP address affiliated with this profile or IP address, is meant to be construed as fact. Everything I say or appear to suggest is 100% satire or only meant for entertainment purposes. I dont believe anything I ever say here because it's all a joke and should all be considered as such. Assuming anything I've ever said is true or meant to be education, or anything any account ever, in any way whatsoever, remotely associated with this account or IP address is true or meant to be educational, would result in you assuming something on your own accord knowing what you are assuming is not based on fact. Every communication to and from this account is satire and/or entertainment only, always. |
GrizzlyBear
User ID: 77158613 United States 11/30/2018 10:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whether or not we like the decisions our superior make, we need to cooperate and complete the task. He might be a good guy in most regards, but he was insubordinate. Take the job or someone else will. He dug his own hole, you didn't set him up therefore you should feel no guilt. Rule#4 Double Tap. |
smith357
User ID: 39834772 United States 11/30/2018 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A colleague on one of our European offices failed to cooperate with our manager on a task. He disagreed with the approach she chose to take her department. He was very vocal and refused to implement the changes. A major project was scheduled and he was told, on this day it would get done. Period. He never came to work, he was 'sick'. In an emergency, I was pulled in, had to learn this complex environment he build over four years and quickly complete the migration. I didnt have many good things to say about him after that. We had never met but this was enough. Quoting: TinfoilHatMan Fast forward a year and I was ultimately offered this job. Mine was going away and both my manager and the manager I helped on this project wanted me in that group to retain me. I started helping with US based projects and ultimately my colleague in Europe was let go. I flew here on Monday to formally take over his job. Part of.his termination was to transfer his role to me this week. We spent a lot of time together. Hes a good man. He went through a terrible trauma last year losing his wife and having his family separated, he had some major medical issues and decided work wasn't t worth sacraficing your life for. German law protects him from more than 10hrs a day of work, termination and after hours expectations....all of which this US company demanded without regard for local laws. Ultimately, they negotiated a package and he agreed to leave. This is a good guy...51 with a 4yr old son he loves to death, a wife who left him and is scared he wont find employment again for a long time. I feel terrible I didnt know him better, that I didn't advocate for him instead of against him. Now I'm taking his job and I feel like a terrible sinner. How can I live with myself? This man has bills, feelings and a family too. What do I do? I don't know who is dumber, the dude for being an obstructionist ou OP feeling bad for someone else's actions. smith #MAGA #KAG2020 |
Mental Case
User ID: 71680343 United Arab Emirates 11/30/2018 10:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | failed to cooperate with our manager on a task. He disagreed with the approach she chose to take her department. He was very vocal and refused to implement the changes. ------- He made his choice, and that choice had nothing to do with you. When you work for somebody...you do what they fucking tell you to do or you say goodbye. They pay you to follow their ideas...not your own. If he wants to follow his own ideas, he can start his own business and pay others to do what he tells them. That's how life works. I wouldn't feel guilty in the slightest bit...even if he is a really good guy. If you touch the hot stove you'll get burned...it doesn't matter how "good" you are. If I am going to be damned...I am going to be damned for who I really am! |