The Vaccine Debate They Don't Want You To See | |
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(OP) Forum Administrator 04/19/2019 06:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are all fully vaccinated. The MMR sucks, especially the mumps portion. [link to www.businessinsider.com (secure)] Merck is being sued RIGHT NOW because their scientists say they were forced to fake the efficacy portion of the mumps tests for this vax, by adding rabbit antibodies to spike the perceived immune response. Dirty, dirty, dirty. So don't think it's such great protection. Last Edited by snark on 04/19/2019 06:08 PM T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
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(OP) Forum Administrator 04/19/2019 06:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And in case you missed it earlier in the thread, this is Del Bigtree in an expanded lesson on why vaccines are not safe. Another must watch. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
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User ID: 77023437 United States 04/19/2019 06:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Amazing how you can't find a single....single......one......single...Actual M.D., nor Biochemist, nor Chemist that says vaccinations are bad or that the risk out-weighs the benefit to society. Funny huh... But you'll find 2000+ actually living retards who never even so much as took a University class in any science discipline "arguing" lolz, as if they could, about how bad vaccines are mmm'kay! LOLZ Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76858147 I do agree with them in one point.... Ignorant people and their off-spring should not be allowed vaccinations. It's a two-fer for Darwinism. I got news for you, the joke is on you. . Quick |
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(OP) Forum Administrator 04/19/2019 06:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to ahrp.org (secure)] T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 53652834 United States 04/19/2019 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are sooo many stories, thousands upon thousands. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76130010 I always share this one, as Colton is worth all our hearts attention. Please watch and try to care... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Just had a sobbing session to this.... it’s just such a tragedy |
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4thhorseman
User ID: 77575566 United States 04/19/2019 07:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Added to favs and downloading the video. Thanks Snark!! SICSEMPERTYRANIS Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum Vi veri universum vivus vici "There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact". Arthur Conan Doyle "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth". Arthur Conan Doyle MOLON LABE [link to www.usavsus.info] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73848670 Canada 04/19/2019 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are acting like Measles parties are more dangerous than vaccines, and will be child abuse. [link to ca.style.yahoo.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73848670 Canada 04/19/2019 07:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How many kids you know who are vaccine damaged, and how many measles damaged? [link to ca.style.yahoo.com (secure)] |
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(OP) Forum Administrator 04/19/2019 07:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How many kids you know who are vaccine damaged, and how many measles damaged? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73848670 [link to ca.style.yahoo.com (secure)] Facts: MMR vs. Measles. From Physicians for Informed Consent. [link to physiciansforinformedconsent.org (secure)] T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77575615 Australia 04/19/2019 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69398780 I actually think there is a legitimate reason for the gov't denying any correlation between autism and vaccines. If they admitted to that, then everyone would stop getting vaccines. And diseases would likely SPREAD. It would be suicidal to do otherwise. Vaccines DO work. They shouldn't be demonized. Vaccines work on paper. So does communism. That doesn't mean it turns out that well in practice. In fact both failed for the same reasons- greed. Think about it from a cost-benefit perspective. Do we want the reemergence of CONTAGIOUS disease? Or supposed autism? I mean... which one is worse? From what I know, there is no alternative to vaccines at the moment. Is there? AND Think about it this way, guys.... Contagious diseases cause DEATH. Autism DOESN'T So would you rather use stop vaccinating? Or not stop vaccinating? what about the father who gasses himself, his wife and 2 autistic children in their own home because the autism was too much. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76130010 United States 04/19/2019 07:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are sooo many stories, thousands upon thousands. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76130010 I always share this one, as Colton is worth all our hearts attention. Please watch and try to care... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Just had a sobbing session to this.... it’s just such a tragedy He captured my soul and I followed his life and was so happy for his resilience. However, It gets worse... [link to www.stopmandatoryvaccination.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35681069 Canada 04/19/2019 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have kids of my own. I know about babies. So when I watched a family member’s bright eyed and perfectly healthy baby descend into a screaming torturous seizure for 24 hours immediately after receiving a vaccine, then come out of it cross eyed and drooling and brain dead the next day, nobody is going to tell me otherwise. I also flat out told this relative that the vaccine would give her baby autism. She scoffed and ridiculed me. A month later I said how are those vaccines treating you know? She hasn’t spoken to me since and it’s been about 8 years. Her child is severely damaged and autistic. Prior to the vaccine it was a perfect baby. Perfectly healthy, responsive, smiling, would make eye contact and hold your finger. After the vaccine total retardation. People are so stupid, cowardly, and brainwashed. |
Niklas User ID: 38051719 United States 04/19/2019 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Long time lurker infrequent poster here . One of the things I like about GLP is its push for the personal accountability of an individuals actions and how this leads to better freedoms for us all, but the vaccine debate has made me wonder about how this works out in the end. If a parent chooses to purposely reject a vaccine for a personal (personal in this case being by choice ) reason and they (or their child gets sick.....) are we still supposed to pay for their care? If we fear the cost associated with transsexuals in the military , shouldn’t we fear the same thing from this more costly group and its effect on the general public? And what if a kid gets the measles (that’s fine and all) but then infects a cluster of people at an old age home and actualy gets people killed? I agree in allowing people to make their own choices, but as no man is an island we have to think about what possible freedoms might be lost in exchange for one given... the moment insurance companies are able to deny you coverage for something you can bet that they will, how much do you think health care would be for a known unvaxanated kid, insurance company’s are going to have a field day if we don’t figure out these problems before they get the chance. Again I am neither for nor against this movement as both sides have strong merit.... it’s just what happens when we start choosing |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 38051719 United States 04/19/2019 08:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’ve watched autism set in with a toddler. There is no argument that vaccines cause autism. They certainly do. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35681069 I have kids of my own. I know about babies. So when I watched a family member’s bright eyed and perfectly healthy baby descend into a screaming torturous seizure for 24 hours immediately after receiving a vaccine, then come out of it cross eyed and drooling and brain dead the next day, nobody is going to tell me otherwise. I also flat out told this relative that the vaccine would give her baby autism. She scoffed and ridiculed me. A month later I said how are those vaccines treating you know? She hasn’t spoken to me since and it’s been about 8 years. Her child is severely damaged and autistic. Prior to the vaccine it was a perfect baby. Perfectly healthy, responsive, smiling, would make eye contact and hold your finger. After the vaccine total retardation. People are so stupid, cowardly, and brainwashed. Wow! So did saying “I told you so” to your friend make you feel good? Because it certainly wasn’t helpful. When you told her that seeing that, did it help her? Or does “I told you so” only make you feel good? Revenge is a game for idiots with too much free-time to make real progress. Fight the real fight, fight doctors, fight the manufactures , don’t fight heart broken mothers you tool. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76929111 United States 04/19/2019 08:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Amazing how you can't find a single....single......one......single...Actual M.D., nor Biochemist, nor Chemist that says vaccinations are bad or that the risk out-weighs the benefit to society. Funny huh... But you'll find 2000+ actually living retards who never even so much as took a University class in any science discipline "arguing" lolz, as if they could, about how bad vaccines are mmm'kay! LOLZ Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76858147 I do agree with them in one point.... Ignorant people and their off-spring should not be allowed vaccinations. It's a two-fer for Darwinism. "VACCINES" are not the same as "IMMUNIZATIONS". The Elites (and those in the know) only give their children immunizations. You clearly don't know the difference. |
Trained Noticer
Forum Moderator User ID: 76014573 United States 04/19/2019 08:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Long time lurker infrequent poster here . One of the things I like about GLP is its push for the personal accountability of an individuals actions and how this leads to better freedoms for us all, but the vaccine debate has made me wonder about how this works out in the end. If a parent chooses to purposely reject a vaccine for a personal (personal in this case being by choice ) reason and they (or their child gets sick.....) are we still supposed to pay for their care? If we fear the cost associated with transsexuals in the military , shouldn’t we fear the same thing from this more costly group and its effect on the general public? And what if a kid gets the measles (that’s fine and all) but then infects a cluster of people at an old age home and actualy gets people killed? I agree in allowing people to make their own choices, but as no man is an island we have to think about what possible freedoms might be lost in exchange for one given... the moment insurance companies are able to deny you coverage for something you can bet that they will, how much do you think health care would be for a known unvaxanated kid, insurance company’s are going to have a field day if we don’t figure out these problems before they get the chance. Again I am neither for nor against this movement as both sides have strong merit.... it’s just what happens when we start choosing Quoting: Niklas 38051719 I hear you. decide. Take a stand. quit doubting your brain. For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase) It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. (Mark Twain) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35681069 Canada 04/19/2019 08:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’ve watched autism set in with a toddler. There is no argument that vaccines cause autism. They certainly do. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35681069 I have kids of my own. I know about babies. So when I watched a family member’s bright eyed and perfectly healthy baby descend into a screaming torturous seizure for 24 hours immediately after receiving a vaccine, then come out of it cross eyed and drooling and brain dead the next day, nobody is going to tell me otherwise. I also flat out told this relative that the vaccine would give her baby autism. She scoffed and ridiculed me. A month later I said how are those vaccines treating you know? She hasn’t spoken to me since and it’s been about 8 years. Her child is severely damaged and autistic. Prior to the vaccine it was a perfect baby. Perfectly healthy, responsive, smiling, would make eye contact and hold your finger. After the vaccine total retardation. People are so stupid, cowardly, and brainwashed. Wow! So did saying “I told you so” to your friend make you feel good? Because it certainly wasn’t helpful. When you told her that seeing that, did it help her? Or does “I told you so” only make you feel good? Revenge is a game for idiots with too much free-time to make real progress. Fight the real fight, fight doctors, fight the manufactures , don’t fight heart broken mothers you tool. I was teaching her and bringing her out of stupidville for when she decides to destroy her next child. I care not for her dumb ass bullshit feelings. The only thing that matters is TRUTH. Her feelings aren’t more important than the life of the child. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77575681 United States 04/19/2019 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let's say that Facebook was actually a good place that strove for what is best for people. Let's say that they acknowledged that vaccines were toxic and contain things like nagalese that leads to cancer and a whole list of other problems in life. If they censored videos that were provaccination I would be the first one to condemn them. Maybe I am too nice, but I done need a site like Facebook censoring views that I don't agree with. I can chose myself bastards. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76929111 United States 04/19/2019 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Long time lurker infrequent poster here . One of the things I like about GLP is its push for the personal accountability of an individuals actions and how this leads to better freedoms for us all, but the vaccine debate has made me wonder about how this works out in the end. If a parent chooses to purposely reject a vaccine for a personal (personal in this case being by choice ) reason and they (or their child gets sick.....) are we still supposed to pay for their care? If we fear the cost associated with transsexuals in the military , shouldn’t we fear the same thing from this more costly group and its effect on the general public? And what if a kid gets the measles (that’s fine and all) but then infects a cluster of people at an old age home and actualy gets people killed? I agree in allowing people to make their own choices, but as no man is an island we have to think about what possible freedoms might be lost in exchange for one given... the moment insurance companies are able to deny you coverage for something you can bet that they will, how much do you think health care would be for a known unvaxanated kid, insurance company’s are going to have a field day if we don’t figure out these problems before they get the chance. Again I am neither for nor against this movement as both sides have strong merit.... it’s just what happens when we start choosing Quoting: Niklas 38051719 Apparently you forgot that we all "have to pay for their care" after kids are injured by vaccines. Oh, and in case you didn't read the inserts before you jabbed your own kids, here's the CDC's own list of awesome, healthy ingredients: Antigens in Vaccines * Attenuated live viruses (weakened to the point they cannot reproduce in a human) * Killed viruses * Partial viruses * Partial bacteria * Toxoids (inactivated toxins) Inactivating Ingredients * Formaldehyde * Polyethylene glycol * β-propiolactone * Glutaraldehyde Antibiotics * Niomycin * Polymyxin B * Gentamicin sulfate Preservatives * Ethyl mercury (in thimerosal) * Phenol * 2-phenoxyethanol Adjuvants * Aluminum salts * Squalene (not used in vaccines in the United States) * Polyethylene glycol (not used in vaccines in the United States) Stabilizers * Glycine * Gelatin * Sorbitol * Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) * Albumin (derived from human blood) * Sucrose * Lactose Cultures * Egg proteins * Yeast proteins * Animal cell DNA fragments * Human fetal cell DNA fragments Ingredients listed in vaccine manufacturer’s list of ingredients inserts (not complete): Antigens: * Attenuated live viruses (weakened to the point they cannot reproduce in a human) * Killed viruses * Partial viruses * Partial bacteria * Toxoids (inactivated toxins) Inactivating Ingredients * Formaldehyde * Polyethylene glycol * β-propiolactone * Glutaraldehyde Antibiotics * Niomycin * Polymyxin B * Gentamicin sulfate Preservatives * Ethyl mercury (in thimerosal) * Phenol * 2-phenoxyethanol Adjuvants * Aluminum salts * Squalene (not used in vaccines in the United States) * Polyethylene glycol (not used in vaccines in the United States) Stabilizers * Glycine * Gelatin * Sorbitol * Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) * Albumin (derived from human blood) * Sucrose * Lactose Cultures * Egg proteins * Yeast proteins * Animal cell DNA fragments * Human fetal cell DNA fragments |
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(OP) Forum Administrator 04/19/2019 08:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Long time lurker infrequent poster here . One of the things I like about GLP is its push for the personal accountability of an individuals actions and how this leads to better freedoms for us all, but the vaccine debate has made me wonder about how this works out in the end. If a parent chooses to purposely reject a vaccine for a personal (personal in this case being by choice ) reason and they (or their child gets sick.....) are we still supposed to pay for their care? If we fear the cost associated with transsexuals in the military , shouldn’t we fear the same thing from this more costly group and its effect on the general public? And what if a kid gets the measles (that’s fine and all) but then infects a cluster of people at an old age home and actualy gets people killed? I agree in allowing people to make their own choices, but as no man is an island we have to think about what possible freedoms might be lost in exchange for one given... the moment insurance companies are able to deny you coverage for something you can bet that they will, how much do you think health care would be for a known unvaxanated kid, insurance company’s are going to have a field day if we don’t figure out these problems before they get the chance. Again I am neither for nor against this movement as both sides have strong merit.... it’s just what happens when we start choosing Quoting: Niklas 38051719 Apparently you forgot that we all "have to pay for their care" after kids are injured by vaccines. Oh, and in case you didn't read the inserts before you jabbed your own kids, here's the CDC's own list of awesome, healthy ingredients: Antigens in Vaccines * Attenuated live viruses (weakened to the point they cannot reproduce in a human) * Killed viruses * Partial viruses * Partial bacteria * Toxoids (inactivated toxins) Inactivating Ingredients * Formaldehyde * Polyethylene glycol * β-propiolactone * Glutaraldehyde Antibiotics * Niomycin * Polymyxin B * Gentamicin sulfate Preservatives * Ethyl mercury (in thimerosal) * Phenol * 2-phenoxyethanol Adjuvants * Aluminum salts * Squalene (not used in vaccines in the United States) * Polyethylene glycol (not used in vaccines in the United States) Stabilizers * Glycine * Gelatin * Sorbitol * Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) * Albumin (derived from human blood) * Sucrose * Lactose Cultures * Egg proteins * Yeast proteins * Animal cell DNA fragments * Human fetal cell DNA fragments Ingredients listed in vaccine manufacturer’s list of ingredients inserts (not complete): Antigens: * Attenuated live viruses (weakened to the point they cannot reproduce in a human) * Killed viruses * Partial viruses * Partial bacteria * Toxoids (inactivated toxins) Inactivating Ingredients * Formaldehyde * Polyethylene glycol * β-propiolactone * Glutaraldehyde Antibiotics * Niomycin * Polymyxin B * Gentamicin sulfate Preservatives * Ethyl mercury (in thimerosal) * Phenol * 2-phenoxyethanol Adjuvants * Aluminum salts * Squalene (not used in vaccines in the United States) * Polyethylene glycol (not used in vaccines in the United States) Stabilizers * Glycine * Gelatin * Sorbitol * Monosodium Glutamate (MSG) * Albumin (derived from human blood) * Sucrose * Lactose Cultures * Egg proteins * Yeast proteins * Animal cell DNA fragments * Human fetal cell DNA fragments Here's that info straight from the CDC, by vaccine. Wherever you see "human diploid cell", that is a cell line created from aborted fetuses which is used to grow the vaccine. [link to www.cdc.gov (secure)] T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
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User ID: 77494926 United States 04/19/2019 08:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is excellent, so excellent that Facebook blocked it yesterday after it aired. Luckily, you have snark to bring you the real stuff! This is a must watch so you will KNOW what the issues are and won't have to depend on the lying pharmagov complex to know what the truths are. Quoting: snark [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] 5 Stars OP!!! Ive been called many names for being anti vaccines. It doesn't matter when I know plenty of the vaccine victims. They are putting dead fetus shit in them, adjuvants that were outlawed due to their direct link to gulf war syndrome. Then there are the "preservatives" they use for the vaccines that just happen to be known neuro toxins, like mercury and aluminum. Its isn't a conspiracy its recorded facts and evidence provided by the perpetrators. Too many innocent lives have been lost. Any wonder why they need your guns and want to mandate adult vaccines? Last Edited by saved on 04/19/2019 08:39 PM Come And Take It! |
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You ain't seen nothing yet! User ID: 49779451 United States 04/19/2019 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't trust corporatized medicine as far as I could throw the whole industry. Kamala Harris is not a Natural Born Citizen. She's illegally running. Used by the Founders... Book I of The Law of Nations, Chapter XIX, § 212 (Joseph Chitty numbering) – “Citizens and natives” reads: 'The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.' 1758 Emerich de Vattel Oh' What the Hell, do I look like I want to die in some nursing home one day... America must have 4 new Constitutional Amendments... 1. Drug Tests and Mental Evaluations on all politicians and judges randomly five times per year. 2. Term Limits for Federal politicians and judges. 3. Mental and health standards for Supreme Court Justices and retirement age set. 4. A 'Star Chamber' of elected Natural Born Citizens (no attorney's) to ivestigate, try, and prosecute the politicians and government employee's as they see fit. Mandatory death penalty by public hanging is the merciful sentence for pedos and their associates. Democrats are a WMD, literally. Let Justice Be Done Though The Heavens Fall. |
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(OP) Forum Administrator 04/19/2019 08:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's a shocker: Vaccination Rates At Google's corporate Daycare Are Shockingly Low [link to truepundit.com (secure)] T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77222658 United States 04/19/2019 09:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Military acknowledges that the MMR caused the mumps outbreak on the ship Fort McHenry. Quoting: snark [link to ahrp.org (secure)] what strain of mumps do they have? Vaccine strain or no? It should not be so hard to find the answer in articles. Yes I could look on the W.H.O site, but maybe military does not really have to share that data? |
Torchie
User ID: 77354011 United States 04/19/2019 09:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’ve watched autism set in with a toddler. There is no argument that vaccines cause autism. They certainly do. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35681069 I have kids of my own. I know about babies. So when I watched a family member’s bright eyed and perfectly healthy baby descend into a screaming torturous seizure for 24 hours immediately after receiving a vaccine, then come out of it cross eyed and drooling and brain dead the next day, nobody is going to tell me otherwise. I also flat out told this relative that the vaccine would give her baby autism. She scoffed and ridiculed me. A month later I said how are those vaccines treating you know? She hasn’t spoken to me since and it’s been about 8 years. Her child is severely damaged and autistic. Prior to the vaccine it was a perfect baby. Perfectly healthy, responsive, smiling, would make eye contact and hold your finger. After the vaccine total retardation. People are so stupid, cowardly, and brainwashed. Wow! So did saying “I told you so” to your friend make you feel good? Because it certainly wasn’t helpful. When you told her that seeing that, did it help her? Or does “I told you so” only make you feel good? Revenge is a game for idiots with too much free-time to make real progress. Fight the real fight, fight doctors, fight the manufactures , don’t fight heart broken mothers you tool. it took courage to point out the truth to the mother untying the shoelaces of the internet one post at a time love tastes best from teal buckets go GIT in your STALL! a Spark does not fall far from the Torchie |