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Not a Single Mention of Jesus ANYWHERE in The Dead Sea Scrolls. Prove Me Wrong.

 
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No one gives a fuck.

Piss off.

Retard.
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bsflag

90% of the world's geo politics if based on religion and faith...
75% (Guesstimation) of people's politics is based on belief of this stupid false messiah.

People care... I bet you do too.
You are just butthurt, so you brush it off by saying you "don't care"

Your time is up.
 Quoting: DPS7

Ok..lets say I gave a shit.

What do you expect me or any single person to do against the worldwide juggernaut of multi generational bullshit?

Sit here and whinge about it like you?

Its like screaming at a cloud for daring to rain on you.

Thats what I meant by "RETARD".

Cause thats exactly what you are doing.

And while you are at it...go pick on the koran too.

They fuck gots..children..and blow shit up.

How come yu dont give a fuck about them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77761172


I don't expect anything from anyone.

I know exactly what I am doing.

Destroying the collective psyche of Christendom.
It takes time.
A lot of time.

Each thread like this is like a drop of water eating away at a rock, slowly...
 Quoting: DPS7


What you are doing is obsessing over something you don't even believe in. chuckle

In fragment 24, column 2, the scroll refers to someone called “The Dove”. The writer of the scroll asks that the dove’s followers “not mourn for him”. And he further says; “do not bring the nail near him”. Given that Jesus is often identified with a “dove” (e.g., Matthew 3:16, Luke 3:22), and the Gospels explicitly refer to the “nails” of the crucifixion (e.g., John 20:24) and also to the “mourning” of his followers after the crucifixion (e.g., Luke 24:17),
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From the moment of their discovery, some scholars suggested that at least some of the scrolls may be the work of early Christians. After all, a certain “Teacher of Righteousness” is mentioned as a persecuted figure and there is also a “Wicked Priest” and other characters that seem to mirror early Christianity. Most scholars, however, have dismissed any connection between the community that hid their scroll library some 2,000 years ago in caves at Qumran and the earliest followers of Jesus. Now, I’ve made a discovery that may change all this. Put simply, I believe that one of the fragments called by scholars by the very unappealing name of “4Q541” explicitly refers to Jesus.

Seems the scholars chose to cherry pick what words they'd translate.

He also said that scholars prefer not to translate “Talia”/crucifixion because the first letter of the word is not clear. When I pointed out that many words in The Dead Sea Scrolls are translated even though they are missing a letter, he shrugged and said, “depends on the word.”

It's funny that most want to make claims that the Bible is not true because "man wrote it"; but, will take the word of so-called scholars as the gospel truth.
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You are that desperate.

"Teacher of Righteousness"

Let's guess... A mythological leader of the Dead Sea sect... Or Jesus.
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The Dead Sea Scroll were written likely between 200 BC (as in before Christ was even born) to 68 AD. Kind of hard to reference someone in writing who had probably not been born yet.
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#513 An excellent summation of the truth.
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I already know your shtick.

Quoting references to the "Son of Man" - This is an assumption that the authors of the DSS viewed Jesus as the Son of Man, while Jewish tradition views The Nation of Israel as the "Son of Man".
So, it is more likely the DSS is referring to Israel.

"Virgin Birth" references - These are in SECOND Enoch.
Second Enoch is NOT in the DSS.

So... Prove me wrong.
 Quoting: DPS7


Modern day Jewish people, are descendants of Edomites and Canaanites, with only a sprinkle of Judean ancestry in the mix.

Jewish people can't even understand the meaning of Keeping the Sabbath, and will walk ten miles collecting wood, but think it is OK, as long as someone else lights it fire.

Also, the Dead Sea Scrolls, are a grab bag of different Scrolls, from different variants of the Temple faith. Most of the Scrolls are from 300 BC to the first Century.

Jewish Tradition, is "the tradition of the Rabbi". It is garbage the Rabbi make up(most of whom are Edomite converts), to suite them for whatever reason.

Lastly, Judeans of that time period, would not think "Son of Man" meant the "Nation of Israel", as Biblically speaking, "Israel" is used to identify with the Ten Northern Tribes.

After Christ, the Rabbi re-edited their version of Scripture, and changed many of their traditions, to coverup that Jesus Christ(Yeshua) was/is the promised redeemer.

The Whole nonsense of a "Jewish Messiah", is just Biblical nonsense. In the sense that, the Judeans where so utterly fallen away, they because supreme chauvinists of the most useless types.

The Judeans, like modern Jewish people, want another Solomon to lead them to never ending prosperity and the enslavement of others. Look at the Judean Prophets, and they where always obsessed with other peoples wealth and well doing.

Such a people could never understand the plain truth of the Messianic prophecies: Jesus Christ was the promised redeemer of Adam and Eve.

As America and the West make the enemies of the Heavenly Father their new priest's and god's, America and the West will continue to fall into darkness.
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Daniel 6
Angle explains to Daniel that the Son of Man is the "holy PEOPLE"

A plurality of people, a nation.
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I don't believe in aliens.

Therefore, I am going to obsess over them and start thread after thread stating how much I don't believe in them.
laugh
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bsflag

90% of the world's geo politics if based on religion and faith...
75% (Guesstimation) of people's politics is based on belief of this stupid false messiah.

People care... I bet you do too.
You are just butthurt, so you brush it off by saying you "don't care"

Your time is up.
 Quoting: DPS7

Ok..lets say I gave a shit.

What do you expect me or any single person to do against the worldwide juggernaut of multi generational bullshit?

Sit here and whinge about it like you?

Its like screaming at a cloud for daring to rain on you.

Thats what I meant by "RETARD".

Cause thats exactly what you are doing.

And while you are at it...go pick on the koran too.

They fuck gots..children..and blow shit up.

How come yu dont give a fuck about them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77761172


I don't expect anything from anyone.

I know exactly what I am doing.

Destroying the collective psyche of Christendom.
It takes time.
A lot of time.

Each thread like this is like a drop of water eating away at a rock, slowly...
 Quoting: DPS7


What you are doing is obsessing over something you don't even believe in. chuckle

In fragment 24, column 2, the scroll refers to someone called “The Dove”. The writer of the scroll asks that the dove’s followers “not mourn for him”. And he further says; “do not bring the nail near him”. Given that Jesus is often identified with a “dove” (e.g., Matthew 3:16, Luke 3:22), and the Gospels explicitly refer to the “nails” of the crucifixion (e.g., John 20:24) and also to the “mourning” of his followers after the crucifixion (e.g., Luke 24:17),
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71611133


The Dove etc are known Jewish symbols in literature.

Not a single evidence they referred to Jesus and not to regular more common Jewish interpretation.

Also, according to Christianity, the Dove is the Holy Spirit... Not jesus.
You are lying, and grabbing for straws.
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I don't believe in aliens.

Therefore, I am going to obsess over them and start thread after thread stating how much I don't believe in them.
laugh
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Gentiles believing in stupid Jesus has concrete physical political influence on my life and the life of my Nation.

Christendom will be destroyed and all it's followers will bow down and beg for mercy.
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The Dead Sea Scrolls include over 225 copies of biblical books that date up to 1,200 years earlier. These range from small fragments to a complete scroll of the prophet Isaiah, and every book of the Hebrew Bible except Esther and Nehemiah.
[link to theconversation.com]

Top 40 Most Helpful Messianic Prophecies
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The Dead Sea Scrolls include over 225 copies of biblical books that date up to 1,200 years earlier. These range from small fragments to a complete scroll of the prophet Isaiah, and every book of the Hebrew Bible except Esther and Nehemiah.
[link to theconversation.com]

Top 40 Most Helpful Messianic Prophecies
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Christians make the claim that Jesus is found in the DSS in texts which are not in Canon.
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The Dead Sea Scrolls include over 225 copies of biblical books that date up to 1,200 years earlier. These range from small fragments to a complete scroll of the prophet Isaiah, and every book of the Hebrew Bible except Esther and Nehemiah.
[link to theconversation.com]

Top 40 Most Helpful Messianic Prophecies
[link to jewsforjesus.org (secure)]
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Christians make the claim that Jesus is found in the DSS in texts which are not in Canon.
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Where do we claim that?
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I don't believe in aliens.

Therefore, I am going to obsess over them and start thread after thread stating how much I don't believe in them.
laugh
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71611133


Gentiles believing in stupid Jesus has concrete physical political influence on my life and the life of my Nation.

Christendom will be destroyed and all it's followers will bow down and beg for mercy.
 Quoting: DPS7


seinGluck
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The Dead Sea Scrolls include over 225 copies of biblical books that date up to 1,200 years earlier. These range from small fragments to a complete scroll of the prophet Isaiah, and every book of the Hebrew Bible except Esther and Nehemiah.
[link to theconversation.com]

Top 40 Most Helpful Messianic Prophecies
[link to jewsforjesus.org (secure)]
 Quoting: Fist McKraken


Christians make the claim that Jesus is found in the DSS in texts which are not in Canon.
 Quoting: DPS7


Where do we claim that?
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Several Christians in this VERY THREAD have already attempted to show Jesus in the form of "Son of Man" from the not canon DSS texts. As well as the "Teacher of Righteousness" and as the "Dove".

Stop BSing.
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The Dead Sea Scrolls include over 225 copies of biblical books that date up to 1,200 years earlier. These range from small fragments to a complete scroll of the prophet Isaiah, and every book of the Hebrew Bible except Esther and Nehemiah.
[link to theconversation.com]

Top 40 Most Helpful Messianic Prophecies
[link to jewsforjesus.org (secure)]
 Quoting: Fist McKraken


Christians make the claim that Jesus is found in the DSS in texts which are not in Canon.
 Quoting: DPS7


Where do we claim that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71611133


Several Christians in this VERY THREAD have already attempted to show Jesus in the form of "Son of Man" from the not canon DSS texts. As well as the "Teacher of Righteousness" and as the "Dove".

Stop BSing.
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I posted that to trigger you. It was written by somebody else. Not all Christians claim that. Not a tenet of Christianity. Just somebody's opinion.
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Christians make the claim that Jesus is found in the DSS in texts which are not in Canon.
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Where do we claim that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71611133


Several Christians in this VERY THREAD have already attempted to show Jesus in the form of "Son of Man" from the not canon DSS texts. As well as the "Teacher of Righteousness" and as the "Dove".

Stop BSing.
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I posted that to trigger you. It was written by somebody else. Not all Christians claim that. Not a tenet of Christianity. Just somebody's opinion.
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This thread is aimed at the Christians who hold such fucking opinion.

You have nothing to argue so you troll.
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Where do we claim that?
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Several Christians in this VERY THREAD have already attempted to show Jesus in the form of "Son of Man" from the not canon DSS texts. As well as the "Teacher of Righteousness" and as the "Dove".

Stop BSing.
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I posted that to trigger you. It was written by somebody else. Not all Christians claim that. Not a tenet of Christianity. Just somebody's opinion.
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This thread is aimed at the Christians who hold such fucking opinion.

You have nothing to argue so you troll.
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Your entire thread is a troll.
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You have succeeded in turning me against the Jevvs, so Congrats on that.
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So you don't believe. That's your choice, that's ok.

What I am wondering is who was the rabbi or preacher that stuck his dick up your ass and has made you soo fixated on this?
Or do you just like sucking rabbi dick so much, you get on here to spread his twisted propaganda?
Please enlighten us, Dipshit7
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Why would Anyone care op?
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I already know your shtick.

Quoting references to the "Son of Man" - This is an assumption that the authors of the DSS viewed Jesus as the Son of Man, while Jewish tradition views The Nation of Israel as the "Son of Man".
So, it is more likely the DSS is referring to Israel.

"Virgin Birth" references - These are in SECOND Enoch.
Second Enoch is NOT in the DSS.

So... Prove me wrong.
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Pistis Sophia
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I already know your shtick.

Quoting references to the "Son of Man" - This is an assumption that the authors of the DSS viewed Jesus as the Son of Man, while Jewish tradition views The Nation of Israel as the "Son of Man".
So, it is more likely the DSS is referring to Israel.

"Virgin Birth" references - These are in SECOND Enoch.
Second Enoch is NOT in the DSS.

So... Prove me wrong.
 Quoting: DPS7


Modern day Jewish people, are descendants of Edomites and Canaanites, with only a sprinkle of Judean ancestry in the mix.

Jewish people can't even understand the meaning of Keeping the Sabbath, and will walk ten miles collecting wood, but think it is OK, as long as someone else lights it fire.

Also, the Dead Sea Scrolls, are a grab bag of different Scrolls, from different variants of the Temple faith. Most of the Scrolls are from 300 BC to the first Century.

Jewish Tradition, is "the tradition of the Rabbi". It is garbage the Rabbi make up(most of whom are Edomite converts), to suite them for whatever reason.

Lastly, Judeans of that time period, would not think "Son of Man" meant the "Nation of Israel", as Biblically speaking, "Israel" is used to identify with the Ten Northern Tribes.

After Christ, the Rabbi re-edited their version of Scripture, and changed many of their traditions, to coverup that Jesus Christ(Yeshua) was/is the promised redeemer.

The Whole nonsense of a "Jewish Messiah", is just Biblical nonsense. In the sense that, the Judeans where so utterly fallen away, they because supreme chauvinists of the most useless types.

The Judeans, like modern Jewish people, want another Solomon to lead them to never ending prosperity and the enslavement of others. Look at the Judean Prophets, and they where always obsessed with other peoples wealth and well doing.

Such a people could never understand the plain truth of the Messianic prophecies: Jesus Christ was the promised redeemer of Adam and Eve.

As America and the West make the enemies of the Heavenly Father their new priest's and god's, America and the West will continue to fall into darkness.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77764513


Daniel 6
Angle explains to Daniel that the Son of Man is the "holy PEOPLE"

A plurality of people, a nation.
 Quoting: DPS7


"Holy people" refers to Christian's, as only Christian's, even in the current sad state of things, are the only ones close to being holy.

If you belong to a religion that saying "lying and bearing false witness is ok", you permanently disqualify yourself from ever being considered "holy"*.

I don't understand, nor do I want to understand your mindset and other Jewish peoples mindset.

At an instinctive level, you engage in every lie, false accusation and acts of devilry, to try and destroy Christianity and Christian's. Your people have been doing it for almost over 2,000 years.

Every-time you do it, you experience the ultimate "wtf" moment, after the season of persecution ends, and the lot of your people decreases in proportion to your hostility towards Christian's.

You deny that Yeshua/Jesus is the promised Messiah, yet seem hell bent on bringing about what you believe will be the circumstances that will cause his return.

Do you not know? Before the Messiah comes, every single wicked, unrighteous Jewish person, must perish. Every Jewish person that has told a lie, bore false witness, or violated the Torah, must perish before the Messiah will reign over the Earth.

Yet, what do you do? You double down and make sure yourselves and your fellows, are as wicked as possible. When corrupting your own people is not enough, you then go off and seek to corrupt and destroy other peoples.

Do you not know? One who makes an idol is more wicked then one who worships an idol. The one who desecrates another, is more desecrated then the one who was initially desecrated.

You claim to be of Jacob, yet by your own deeds and the way you reason and justify yourselves, you are of Esau.

*Judaism, like Islam, teaches that lying and bear false witness are "OK", under certain circumstances.

Judaism even teaches as a religious rite, that Jewish people are religiously bound to bear false witness against Christian's.
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Not a single mention of OP in MSM, does it mean he does not exist either? lolsign
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I already know your shtick.

Quoting references to the "Son of Man" - This is an assumption that the authors of the DSS viewed Jesus as the Son of Man, while Jewish tradition views The Nation of Israel as the "Son of Man".
So, it is more likely the DSS is referring to Israel.

"Virgin Birth" references - These are in SECOND Enoch.
Second Enoch is NOT in the DSS.

So... Prove me wrong.
 Quoting: DPS7


Modern day Jewish people, are descendants of Edomites and Canaanites, with only a sprinkle of Judean ancestry in the mix.

Jewish people can't even understand the meaning of Keeping the Sabbath, and will walk ten miles collecting wood, but think it is OK, as long as someone else lights it fire.

Also, the Dead Sea Scrolls, are a grab bag of different Scrolls, from different variants of the Temple faith. Most of the Scrolls are from 300 BC to the first Century.

Jewish Tradition, is "the tradition of the Rabbi". It is garbage the Rabbi make up(most of whom are Edomite converts), to suite them for whatever reason.

Lastly, Judeans of that time period, would not think "Son of Man" meant the "Nation of Israel", as Biblically speaking, "Israel" is used to identify with the Ten Northern Tribes.

After Christ, the Rabbi re-edited their version of Scripture, and changed many of their traditions, to coverup that Jesus Christ(Yeshua) was/is the promised redeemer.

The Whole nonsense of a "Jewish Messiah", is just Biblical nonsense. In the sense that, the Judeans where so utterly fallen away, they because supreme chauvinists of the most useless types.

The Judeans, like modern Jewish people, want another Solomon to lead them to never ending prosperity and the enslavement of others. Look at the Judean Prophets, and they where always obsessed with other peoples wealth and well doing.

Such a people could never understand the plain truth of the Messianic prophecies: Jesus Christ was the promised redeemer of Adam and Eve.

As America and the West make the enemies of the Heavenly Father their new priest's and god's, America and the West will continue to fall into darkness.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77764513


Daniel 6
Angle explains to Daniel that the Son of Man is the "holy PEOPLE"

A plurality of people, a nation.
 Quoting: DPS7


"Holy people" refers to Christian's, as only Christian's, even in the current sad state of things, are the only ones close to being holy.

If you belong to a religion that saying "lying and bearing false witness is ok", you permanently disqualify yourself from ever being considered "holy"*.

I don't understand, nor do I want to understand your mindset and other Jewish peoples mindset.

At an instinctive level, you engage in every lie, false accusation and acts of devilry, to try and destroy Christianity and Christian's. Your people have been doing it for almost over 2,000 years.

Every-time you do it, you experience the ultimate "wtf" moment, after the season of persecution ends, and the lot of your people decreases in proportion to your hostility towards Christian's.

You deny that Yeshua/Jesus is the promised Messiah, yet seem hell bent on bringing about what you believe will be the circumstances that will cause his return.

Do you not know? Before the Messiah comes, every single wicked, unrighteous Jewish person, must perish. Every Jewish person that has told a lie, bore false witness, or violated the Torah, must perish before the Messiah will reign over the Earth.

Yet, what do you do? You double down and make sure yourselves and your fellows, are as wicked as possible. When corrupting your own people is not enough, you then go off and seek to corrupt and destroy other peoples.

Do you not know? One who makes an idol is more wicked then one who worships an idol. The one who desecrates another, is more desecrated then the one who was initially desecrated.

You claim to be of Jacob, yet by your own deeds and the way you reason and justify yourselves, you are of Esau.

*Judaism, like Islam, teaches that lying and bear false witness are "OK", under certain circumstances.

Judaism even teaches as a religious rite, that Jewish people are religiously bound to bear false witness against Christian's.

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Not a SINGLE OT verse to support your claim.
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You have succeeded in turning me against the Jevvs, so Congrats on that.
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So you see... Truth means shit to you.

Now you know why J.ews are KARMICALLY UNIVERSALLY JUSTIFIED to win against the whole world.
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OMG a Jevvish historian wrote that Jesus existed and He was the Christ!

Jevvs believe in Jesus and think he is the Christ!

...at least according to OP's logic.


The earlist non-Christian writer who refers Christ is the Jevvish historian Flavius Josephus; born A.D. 37, he was a contemporary of the Apostles, and died in Rome A.D. 94. Two passages in his "Antiquities" which confirm two facts of the inspired Christian records are not disputed. In the one he reports the murder of "John called Baptist" by Herod (Ant., XVIII, v, 2), describing also John's character and work; in the other (Ant., XX, ix, 1) he disapproves of the sentence pronounced by the high priest Ananus against "James, brother of Jesus Who was called Christ." It is antecedently probable that a writer so well informed as Josephus, must have been well acquainted too with the doctrine and the history of Jesus Christ. Seeing, also, that he records events of minor importance in the history of the Jevvs, it would be surprising if he were to keep silence about Jesus Christ. Consideration for the priests and Pharisees did not prevent him from mentioning the judicial murders of John the Baptist and the Apostle James; his endeavour to find the fulfilment of the Messianic prophecies in Vespasian did not induce him to pass in silence over several Jevvish sects, though their tenets appear to be inconsistent with the Vespasian claims. One naturally expects, therefore, a notice about Jesus Christ in Josephus. Antiquities XVIII, iii, 3, seems to satisfy this expectation:

About this time appeared Jesus, a wise man (if indeed it is right to call Him man; for He was a worker of astonishing deeds, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with joy), and He drew to Himself many Jevv (many also of Greeks. This was the Christ.) And when Pilate, at the denunciation of those that are foremost among us, had condemned Him to the cross, those who had first loved Him did not abandon Him (for He appeared to them alive again on the third day, the holy prophets having foretold this and countless other marvels about Him.) The tribe of Christians named after Him did not cease to this day.
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From the moment of their discovery, some scholars suggested that at least some of the scrolls may be the work of early Christians. After all, a certain “Teacher of Righteousness” is mentioned as a persecuted figure and there is also a “Wicked Priest” and other characters that seem to mirror early Christianity. Most scholars, however, have dismissed any connection between the community that hid their scroll library some 2,000 years ago in caves at Qumran and the earliest followers of Jesus. Now, I’ve made a discovery that may change all this. Put simply, I believe that one of the fragments called by scholars by the very unappealing name of “4Q541” explicitly refers to Jesus.

Seems the scholars chose to cherry pick what words they'd translate.

He also said that scholars prefer not to translate “Talia”/crucifixion because the first letter of the word is not clear. When I pointed out that many words in The Dead Sea Scrolls are translated even though they are missing a letter, he shrugged and said, “depends on the word.”

It's funny that most want to make claims that the Bible is not true because "man wrote it"; but, will take the word of so-called scholars as the gospel truth.
 Quoting: Schmoopee


You are that desperate.

"Teacher of Righteousness"

Let's guess... A mythological leader of the Dead Sea sect... Or Jesus.
 Quoting: DPS7


First, let's get His name right: Yeshua.

This is a bit off topic; however, since you are "destroying the collective psyche of Christendom", this may help you out. Trust me, Christians are not going to like this teaching one bit.

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You have succeeded in turning me against the Jevvs, so Congrats on that.
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So you see... Truth means shit to you.

Now you know why J.ews are KARMICALLY UNIVERSALLY JUSTIFIED to win against the whole world.
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Ummm…. you should be thanking the world for saving your asses from extinction.
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Re: Not a Single Mention of Jesus ANYWHERE in The Dead Sea Scrolls. Prove Me Wrong.
I already know your shtick.

Quoting references to the "Son of Man" - This is an assumption that the authors of the DSS viewed Jesus as the Son of Man, while Jewish tradition views The Nation of Israel as the "Son of Man".
So, it is more likely the DSS is referring to Israel.

"Virgin Birth" references - These are in SECOND Enoch.
Second Enoch is NOT in the DSS.

So... Prove me wrong.
 Quoting: DPS7


to what point … it was thousands of years ago… LIVE IN THE NOW AS YOUR WORLD IS. This bullshit keeps you focused on a world of thousands of years ago and a complete waste of your mental efforts.
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I already know your shtick.

Quoting references to the "Son of Man" - This is an assumption that the authors of the DSS viewed Jesus as the Son of Man, while Jewish tradition views The Nation of Israel as the "Son of Man".
So, it is more likely the DSS is referring to Israel.

"Virgin Birth" references - These are in SECOND Enoch.
Second Enoch is NOT in the DSS.

So... Prove me wrong.
 Quoting: DPS7


to what point … it was thousands of years ago… LIVE IN THE NOW AS YOUR WORLD IS. This bullshit keeps you focused on a world of thousands of years ago and a complete waste of your mental efforts.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


OP has mental efforts? Where?
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Re: Not a Single Mention of Jesus ANYWHERE in The Dead Sea Scrolls. Prove Me Wrong.
You have succeeded in turning me against the Jevvs, so Congrats on that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71611133


So you see... Truth means shit to you.

Now you know why J.ews are KARMICALLY UNIVERSALLY JUSTIFIED to win against the whole world.
 Quoting: DPS7


Ummm…. you should be thanking the world for saving your asses from extinction.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71611133


J.ews have only one Patron.





GLP