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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76984449  United States10/03/2019 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So many people on this thread do not understand nutritional science even remotely and are chiming in like experts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77694560 We’ve known for decades how animal products are completely unnecessary and have innumerable health consequences to consuming them for humans and the planet. Soy doesn’t mimic estrogen , phytoestrogens like in plants are not usable hormones by the human body . There is literally no risk from consuming soy besides increased health due to antioxidants and other beneficial photochemicals. If people understood how to research existing peer reviewed medical literature there wouldn’t be so many erroneous claims in this thread. Plant based, more specifically a whole food vegan diet is unquestionably the healthiest way to live . Zero room for debate anymore . Go back to webmd shill ... I know what my own body tells me. If I eat flour or soy products, my gut cramps up, I get severe diarrhea, my brain feels foggy, I start itching all over and if I fall back into a diet of it, I get bad cases of candida and rashes that last for weeks. The ONLY thing that helped heal my body was going on a mostly carnivore diet with some dairy, nuts and a selection of green vegetables (I try to avoid gaseous vegetables as they irritate my stomach as well) What i've always found insulting is people who act like those of us who eat gluten-free are delusional or making it up, it took me 30 years of misery in my life to finally realize it was what I was eating for why I was so sick all the time. If eating mostly meat cuts my lifespan by 10 years it will have been worth it because I just FEEL better on a daily basis and no extended life is worth having to live like I did before. I respect you wanting to feel good in your own skin but the facts are you have candida and fungus overgrowth in general due to insulin resistance and too much intramyocellular lipid accumulation . Animal fat causes insulin resistance in humans which made you need to go Keto or low carb to resolve your symptoms ; the problem is this isn’t the way to true health in your arteries, and your way of eating actually causes type 2 diabetes due to insulin resistance . Candida is a bloom of beneficial fungus that is saving you from the deleterious effects of prolonged high blood sugar . You are simply masking the symptoms with your diet , not curing them . So you said candida is caused by high blood sugar. That would be caused by carbs. Not meat. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77389282  Portugal10/03/2019 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wait long enough and the 'experts' who told you that you're killing yourself are going to tell you what you want to hear, fuck 'em I do what I like 'cuz know what? Nobody gets out of this world alive and there's no point adding years to the old end of things if it means you have to pass on enjoying yourself while you can.  |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17138630 United States10/03/2019 03:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Robert Atkins died with severe heart disease and you are incredibly uneducated and lacking knowledge . Do a little research before making yourself look any dumber , but clearly you wouldn’t even know how. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77694560 Atkins also weighed 258 lbs at the time of his death., if he was truly living a low carb lifestyle he wouldn't have been overweight in the first place. Just because he wrote a book doesn't mean he was committing his lifestyle to it anymore than all the obese doctors i've known in life who preach a nutritious lifestyle but aren't the pinnacle of it themselves. All lies. He hit his head on the pavement in NYC after slipping on ice. He fell into a coma and was give fluids which made him bloat. He was on national television 3 months prior looking thin and healthy. That you people push known lies, already debunked, proves what I've said all along ... SHILLS! For those of you wondering read his wife's statements regarding his death. [link to www.nbcnews.com] Its like democrats trying to impeach Trump and hide the truth. They don't want you eating meat, and its not because they care about you. Another idiot who didnt read the article “ an official and confidential document from the New York City Medical Examiner's Office sent to the news media by Atkins' opponents. It purported to show that Dr. Atkins weighed in at 258 pounds at the time of his death, obese for a six-foot-tall man. And the notes listed a surprise history of serious heart problems including myocardial infarction (a heart attack), congestive heart failure and hypertension.” |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77568399 United States10/03/2019 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know what my own body tells me. If I eat flour or soy products, my gut cramps up, I get severe diarrhea, my brain feels foggy, I start itching all over and if I fall back into a diet of it, I get bad cases of candida and rashes that last for weeks. The ONLY thing that helped heal my body was going on a mostly carnivore diet with some dairy, nuts and a selection of green vegetables (I try to avoid gaseous vegetables as they irritate my stomach as well) What i've always found insulting is people who act like those of us who eat gluten-free are delusional or making it up, it took me 30 years of misery in my life to finally realize it was what I was eating for why I was so sick all the time. If eating mostly meat cuts my lifespan by 10 years it will have been worth it because I just FEEL better on a daily basis and no extended life is worth having to live like I did before. I respect you wanting to feel good in your own skin but the facts are you have candida and fungus overgrowth in general due to insulin resistance and too much intramyocellular lipid accumulation . Animal fat causes insulin resistance in humans which made you need to go Keto or low carb to resolve your symptoms ; the problem is this isn’t the way to true health in your arteries, and your way of eating actually causes type 2 diabetes due to insulin resistance . Candida is a bloom of beneficial fungus that is saving you from the deleterious effects of prolonged high blood sugar . You are simply masking the symptoms with your diet , not curing them . So you said candida is caused by high blood sugar. That would be caused by carbs. Not meat. There was a case of a woman that ate a big salad everyday and worked out. She was in the slender range of weight but had this protuding belly and cramps She found out it was due to all the excess raw veggies that were causing the gas and pain and distended stomach Same with me as well when I eat too many veggies. She stopped the salads and starting eating lean meats with side of cooked veggies, Veggies were no longer the main dish and her extended belly and gas and pain disappeared |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75993659  Canada10/03/2019 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Love the criticisms from the veggie / vegans and the American Heart Association. Yeah, well that's what happens when you use "science" to push an agenda to try to drive social change... When new science contradicts your old science you based your whole worldview on... you have to retaliate, dismiss, call fake because your world falls apart. Quoting: The Årtist [link to www.nytimes.com (secure)] The best parts are when the vegans are talking and their teeth randomly fall out. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States10/03/2019 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64804934 Atkins also weighed 258 lbs at the time of his death., if he was truly living a low carb lifestyle he wouldn't have been overweight in the first place. Just because he wrote a book doesn't mean he was committing his lifestyle to it anymore than all the obese doctors i've known in life who preach a nutritious lifestyle but aren't the pinnacle of it themselves. All lies. He hit his head on the pavement in NYC after slipping on ice. He fell into a coma and was give fluids which made him bloat. He was on national television 3 months prior looking thin and healthy. That you people push known lies, already debunked, proves what I've said all along ... SHILLS! For those of you wondering read his wife's statements regarding his death. [link to www.nbcnews.com] Its like democrats trying to impeach Trump and hide the truth. They don't want you eating meat, and its not because they care about you. Another idiot who didnt read the article “ an official and confidential document from the New York City Medical Examiner's Office sent to the news media by Atkins' opponents. It purported to show that Dr. Atkins weighed in at 258 pounds at the time of his death, obese for a six-foot-tall man. And the notes listed a surprise history of serious heart problems including myocardial infarction (a heart attack), congestive heart failure and hypertension.” That's some serious elective shilling congrats! Soros will be proud. Do you get $7 instead of $3.50? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States10/03/2019 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “ an official and confidential document from the New York City Medical Examiner's Office sent to the news media by Atkins' opponents. It purported to show that Dr. Atkins weighed in at 258 pounds at the time of his death, obese for a six-foot-tall man. And the notes listed a surprise history of serious heart problems including myocardial infarction (a heart attack), congestive heart failure and hypertension.” See how they manipulate everything like a dirty democrat? See how I proved they are shills? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States10/03/2019 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “ an official and confidential document from the New York City Medical Examiner's Office sent to the news media by Atkins' opponents. It purported to show that Dr. Atkins weighed in at 258 pounds at the time of his death, obese for a six-foot-tall man. And the notes listed a surprise history of serious heart problems including myocardial infarction (a heart attack), congestive heart failure and hypertension.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77331063 See how they manipulate everything like a dirty democrat? See how I proved they are shills? These shills were stating these things as facts when they know they are not. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75993659 Canada10/03/2019 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “ an official and confidential document from the New York City Medical Examiner's Office sent to the news media by Atkins' opponents. It purported to show that Dr. Atkins weighed in at 258 pounds at the time of his death, obese for a six-foot-tall man. And the notes listed a surprise history of serious heart problems including myocardial infarction (a heart attack), congestive heart failure and hypertension.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77331063 See how they manipulate everything like a dirty democrat? See how I proved they are shills? He was 73 years old when he died, and he died from a head injury. He never had a heart attack nor any other heart condition. What he did have was a bad case of pneumonia that hospitalized him in 2002. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17138630 United States10/03/2019 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Love the criticisms from the veggie / vegans and the American Heart Association. Yeah, well that's what happens when you use "science" to push an agenda to try to drive social change... When new science contradicts your old science you based your whole worldview on... you have to retaliate, dismiss, call fake because your world falls apart. Quoting: The Årtist [link to www.nytimes.com (secure)] The best parts are when the vegans are talking and their teeth randomly fall out. Atleast those people are alive [link to www.cdc.gov (secure)] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States10/03/2019 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “ an official and confidential document from the New York City Medical Examiner's Office sent to the news media by Atkins' opponents. It purported to show that Dr. Atkins weighed in at 258 pounds at the time of his death, obese for a six-foot-tall man. And the notes listed a surprise history of serious heart problems including myocardial infarction (a heart attack), congestive heart failure and hypertension.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77331063 See how they manipulate everything like a dirty democrat? See how I proved they are shills? He was 73 years old when he died, and he died from a head injury. He never had a heart attack nor any other heart condition. What he did have was a bad case of pneumonia that hospitalized him in 2002. Exactly! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76984449 United States10/03/2019 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64804934 Atkins also weighed 258 lbs at the time of his death., if he was truly living a low carb lifestyle he wouldn't have been overweight in the first place. Just because he wrote a book doesn't mean he was committing his lifestyle to it anymore than all the obese doctors i've known in life who preach a nutritious lifestyle but aren't the pinnacle of it themselves. All lies. He hit his head on the pavement in NYC after slipping on ice. He fell into a coma and was give fluids which made him bloat. He was on national television 3 months prior looking thin and healthy. That you people push known lies, already debunked, proves what I've said all along ... SHILLS! For those of you wondering read his wife's statements regarding his death. [link to www.nbcnews.com] Its like democrats trying to impeach Trump and hide the truth. They don't want you eating meat, and its not because they care about you. Another idiot who didnt read the article “ an official and confidential document from the New York City Medical Examiner's Office sent to the news media by Atkins' opponents. It purported to show that Dr. Atkins weighed in at 258 pounds at the time of his death, obese for a six-foot-tall man. And the notes listed a surprise history of serious heart problems including myocardial infarction (a heart attack), congestive heart failure and hypertension.” He may not have been flowing his own advice. If he was just eating meat and vegetables he wound have lost weight. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76984449 United States10/03/2019 03:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64804934 I know what my own body tells me. If I eat flour or soy products, my gut cramps up, I get severe diarrhea, my brain feels foggy, I start itching all over and if I fall back into a diet of it, I get bad cases of candida and rashes that last for weeks. The ONLY thing that helped heal my body was going on a mostly carnivore diet with some dairy, nuts and a selection of green vegetables (I try to avoid gaseous vegetables as they irritate my stomach as well) What i've always found insulting is people who act like those of us who eat gluten-free are delusional or making it up, it took me 30 years of misery in my life to finally realize it was what I was eating for why I was so sick all the time. If eating mostly meat cuts my lifespan by 10 years it will have been worth it because I just FEEL better on a daily basis and no extended life is worth having to live like I did before. I respect you wanting to feel good in your own skin but the facts are you have candida and fungus overgrowth in general due to insulin resistance and too much intramyocellular lipid accumulation . Animal fat causes insulin resistance in humans which made you need to go Keto or low carb to resolve your symptoms ; the problem is this isn’t the way to true health in your arteries, and your way of eating actually causes type 2 diabetes due to insulin resistance . Candida is a bloom of beneficial fungus that is saving you from the deleterious effects of prolonged high blood sugar . You are simply masking the symptoms with your diet , not curing them . So you said candida is caused by high blood sugar. That would be caused by carbs. Not meat. There was a case of a woman that ate a big salad everyday and worked out. She was in the slender range of weight but had this protuding belly and cramps She found out it was due to all the excess raw veggies that were causing the gas and pain and distended stomach Same with me as well when I eat too many veggies. She stopped the salads and starting eating lean meats with side of cooked veggies, Veggies were no longer the main dish and her extended belly and gas and pain disappeared I have trouble with too many vegetables and beans. I really have to cook the veggies to make them digestible. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78050007 United States10/03/2019 03:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Robert Atkins died with severe heart disease and you are incredibly uneducated and lacking knowledge . Do a little research before making yourself look any dumber , but clearly you wouldn’t even know how. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77694560 Atkins also weighed 258 lbs at the time of his death., if he was truly living a low carb lifestyle he wouldn't have been overweight in the first place. Just because he wrote a book doesn't mean he was committing his lifestyle to it anymore than all the obese doctors i've known in life who preach a nutritious lifestyle but aren't the pinnacle of it themselves. All lies. He hit his head on the pavement in NYC after slipping on ice. He fell into a coma and was give fluids which made him bloat. He was on national television 3 months prior looking thin and healthy. That you people push known lies, already debunked, proves what I've said all along ... SHILLS! Yes cause of death is different than him having advanced heart disease . Did I say he died of his heart disease ? No . You are dumb as rocks |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States10/03/2019 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe Atkins was pushed on that ice. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77331063 He was/Is very hated by the medical mafia. There were rumors at the time that an animal rights group claimed responsibility for his death, but that no investigation about his death was ever launched. Would not surprise me in the slightest. Notice how the shills pile on threads like this. Why do they care so much about what you eat? Notice how hostile they are. They are not here over concern for your health. They are here to protect and project their agenda. They will fail. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75993659 Canada10/03/2019 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Love the criticisms from the veggie / vegans and the American Heart Association. Yeah, well that's what happens when you use "science" to push an agenda to try to drive social change... When new science contradicts your old science you based your whole worldview on... you have to retaliate, dismiss, call fake because your world falls apart. Quoting: The Årtist [link to www.nytimes.com (secure)] The best parts are when the vegans are talking and their teeth randomly fall out. Atleast those people are alive [link to www.cdc.gov (secure)] Not for long. Most of these people are under 30 years of age. They wont make it to 50 if they already look like they are in their mid-40s. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States10/03/2019 03:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Robert Atkins died with severe heart disease and you are incredibly uneducated and lacking knowledge . Do a little research before making yourself look any dumber , but clearly you wouldn’t even know how. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77694560 Atkins also weighed 258 lbs at the time of his death., if he was truly living a low carb lifestyle he wouldn't have been overweight in the first place. Just because he wrote a book doesn't mean he was committing his lifestyle to it anymore than all the obese doctors i've known in life who preach a nutritious lifestyle but aren't the pinnacle of it themselves. All lies. He hit his head on the pavement in NYC after slipping on ice. He fell into a coma and was give fluids which made him bloat. He was on national television 3 months prior looking thin and healthy. That you people push known lies, already debunked, proves what I've said all along ... SHILLS! Yes cause of death is different than him having advanced heart disease . Did I say he died of his heart disease ? No . You are dumb as rocks You've been exposed. Now your just making it painfully obvious. A shill, yes, but not that good of one. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76984449 United States10/03/2019 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Love the criticisms from the veggie / vegans and the American Heart Association. Yeah, well that's what happens when you use "science" to push an agenda to try to drive social change... When new science contradicts your old science you based your whole worldview on... you have to retaliate, dismiss, call fake because your world falls apart. Quoting: The Årtist [link to www.nytimes.com (secure)] The best parts are when the vegans are talking and their teeth randomly fall out. They look like they have eating disorders. My sister is vegan and she gained a lot weight. She cooks with no oils or fats either. Lots of rice beans and vegetables. And salads. Oatmeal I think also. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78050007 United States10/03/2019 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You meat eaters are the shills with your heads up your ass ignoring modern medical science. I’ve been more accurate scientifically than anyone in this thread , yet you dummies who lack reading comprehension , think you’re actually refuting the scientific facts I’ve stated . |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78050007 United States10/03/2019 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64804934 Atkins also weighed 258 lbs at the time of his death., if he was truly living a low carb lifestyle he wouldn't have been overweight in the first place. Just because he wrote a book doesn't mean he was committing his lifestyle to it anymore than all the obese doctors i've known in life who preach a nutritious lifestyle but aren't the pinnacle of it themselves. All lies. He hit his head on the pavement in NYC after slipping on ice. He fell into a coma and was give fluids which made him bloat. He was on national television 3 months prior looking thin and healthy. That you people push known lies, already debunked, proves what I've said all along ... SHILLS! Yes cause of death is different than him having advanced heart disease . Did I say he died of his heart disease ? No . You are dumb as rocks You've been exposed. Now your just making it painfully obvious. A shill, yes, but not that good of one. The problem is you don’t understand how dumb you are and lack reading comprehension to boot. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78050007 United States10/03/2019 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17138630 United States10/03/2019 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Love the criticisms from the veggie / vegans and the American Heart Association. Yeah, well that's what happens when you use "science" to push an agenda to try to drive social change... When new science contradicts your old science you based your whole worldview on... you have to retaliate, dismiss, call fake because your world falls apart. Quoting: The Årtist [link to www.nytimes.com (secure)] The best parts are when the vegans are talking and their teeth randomly fall out. Atleast those people are alive [link to www.cdc.gov (secure)] Not for long. Most of these people are under 30 years of age. They wont make it to 50 if they already look like they are in their mid-40s. selection bias of the most unhealthy vegans who most likely have eating disorders and dont eat a balanced diet. The populations on this planet that live the longest eat diets closest to veganism. I'm not saying you can't be healthy with meat. But a vegan diet is significantly heatlhier than the SAD and a viable diet on its own that is better for ethical reasons. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States10/03/2019 03:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77331063 All lies. He hit his head on the pavement in NYC after slipping on ice. He fell into a coma and was give fluids which made him bloat. He was on national television 3 months prior looking thin and healthy. That you people push known lies, already debunked, proves what I've said all along ... SHILLS! Yes cause of death is different than him having advanced heart disease . Did I say he died of his heart disease ? No . You are dumb as rocks You've been exposed. Now your just making it painfully obvious. A shill, yes, but not that good of one. The problem is you don’t understand how dumb you are and lack reading comprehension to boot.  |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77331063 United States10/03/2019 03:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You meat eaters are the shills with your heads up your ass ignoring modern medical science. I’ve been more accurate scientifically than anyone in this thread , yet you dummies who lack reading comprehension , think you’re actually refuting the scientific facts I’ve stated . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78050007 That will show them! You care! I can tell. Its not about your ego at all. |
