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User ID: 76052426 United States 11/16/2019 08:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where on earth is the money going? The world is a closed system. If one country loses money, another should gain it It's a shell game run by the banksters. Central banks make currency from thin air and charge interest on it. It can never be paid back so it looks like it's disappeared. Things are bad enough, there is no need to make anything up. ~Fluffy "Never interrupt an enemy in the process of destroying himself." Quercitin and zinc...Get it. Take it. Visit howbad.info...If you took the shot, for sure. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78172308 South Africa 11/16/2019 08:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where on earth is the money going? The world is a closed system. If one country loses money, another should gain it Serious question. The world is a closed system. Assets just don’t evaporate into space. So how can every single country on earth be in debt? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77545963 [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] In a closed system, if I take a Euro from you, I have a Euro. It doesn’t go anywhere, unless I owe someone else a Euro. If I give it to them, THEY have a Euro. So if money and goods are leaving one country (leaving it in debt like the US is), shouldn’t another country be wealthy from receiving the goods? Even oil rich countries like UAE and Qatar are in debt. How is it that every. Single. Country. In the world is in massive debt? One country should be massively wealthy if funds were taken from all the countries, right? Can someone explain it to me? All countries owe money to their federal reserve banks, who print money out of thin air and then demands interest be paid. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78168058 United States 11/16/2019 08:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where on earth is the money going? The world is a closed system. If one country loses money, another should gain it Serious question. The world is a closed system. Assets just don’t evaporate into space. So how can every single country on earth be in debt? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77545963 [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] In a closed system, if I take a Euro from you, I have a Euro. It doesn’t go anywhere, unless I owe someone else a Euro. If I give it to them, THEY have a Euro. So if money and goods are leaving one country (leaving it in debt like the US is), shouldn’t another country be wealthy from receiving the goods? Even oil rich countries like UAE and Qatar are in debt. How is it that every. Single. Country. In the world is in massive debt? One country should be massively wealthy if funds were taken from all the countries, right? Can someone explain it to me? Your completely sane and practical thinking would be correct if we lived in a sane and practical world. However, we don’t. Instead we live in a world where assets are sold many times over and no one owns them (rehypotication). We also have made promises on the future are many times greater than the wealth actually available (pensions, credit..etc) and valuations based on stock buybacks rather than fundamentals. The result. We actually have less stuff than thought - rehypotication unwinds. Valuations drop - stocks valued at $100 are actually evaporated to $40 or less Then comes the deflation - which is actually a good and healthy part of the overall cycle but the imbalance has become so great that it will be devastating. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77545963 United States 11/16/2019 08:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where on earth is the money going? The world is a closed system. If one country loses money, another should gain it Serious question. The world is a closed system. Assets just don’t evaporate into space. So how can every single country on earth be in debt? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77545963 [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] In a closed system, if I take a Euro from you, I have a Euro. It doesn’t go anywhere, unless I owe someone else a Euro. If I give it to them, THEY have a Euro. So if money and goods are leaving one country (leaving it in debt like the US is), shouldn’t another country be wealthy from receiving the goods? Even oil rich countries like UAE and Qatar are in debt. How is it that every. Single. Country. In the world is in massive debt? One country should be massively wealthy if funds were taken from all the countries, right? Can someone explain it to me? All countries owe money to their federal reserve banks, who print money out of thin air and then demands interest be paid. So do the Federal Reserve Banks have multi-trillions of trillions of dollars in their accounts somewhere? Even if money was created out of thin air, the entity that collects it (in this case, the reserve banks) have to store it somewhere, right? What are the balances in the reserve bank’s accounts? |
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Forum Administrator 11/16/2019 08:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where on earth is the money going? The world is a closed system. If one country loses money, another should gain it [link to youtu.be (secure)] I am a Christian. Christian does not equal doormat or pushover "I Have Sworn upon the Altar of God... Eternal Hostility against every form of Tyranny over the mind of man." -Thomas Jefferson, Sep. 23, 1800 The Election of Donald John Trump: [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] For previous Newsletters, click 'Scrump's News Letters' @ [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 40169223 United States 11/16/2019 08:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where on earth is the money going? The world is a closed system. If one country loses money, another should gain it US debt is mostly ficticious, because most of it is owed to the Federal Reserve Bank. If the FED was really federal, then the government can just write off its own debt. The only real debt is debt that is owed to foreign countries. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72502936 Sweden 11/16/2019 08:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where on earth is the money going? The world is a closed system. If one country loses money, another should gain it Haha dude every money printed has a rate attached to it - that grows over time. ”Rent on rent” principle. Exponentially growing. Will always be more debt in the world than there is actual money |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 77545963 United States 11/16/2019 08:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where on earth is the money going? The world is a closed system. If one country loses money, another should gain it Your completely sane and practical thinking would be correct if we lived in a sane and practical world. However, we don’t. Instead we live in a world where assets are sold many times over and no one owns them (rehypotication). We also have made promises on the future are many times greater than the wealth actually available (pensions, credit..etc) and valuations based on stock buybacks rather than fundamentals. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78168058 The result. We actually have less stuff than thought - rehypotication unwinds. Valuations drop - stocks valued at $100 are actually evaporated to $40 or less Then comes the deflation - which is actually a good and healthy part of the overall cycle but the imbalance has become so great that it will be devastating. Ah, thank you! I had to look up what “rehypotication” meant. So if someone can do that with wealth, why can’t a reverse rehypotication be done with debt? Are you essentially saying that the world debt owed is as false as the assets are? |
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User ID: 7861771 United States 11/16/2019 08:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where on earth is the money going? The world is a closed system. If one country loses money, another should gain it I guess we need a better idea of assets. If all the IBM stock in the world is 500 million shares, at $100 a share. everyone total has what 50 billion dollars of "assets". If One person sells one share to another person at $98 a share, everybody total has lost a billion dollars in "assets". I've gotten a lot of red for telling the truth and being right. Just sayin' |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76150406 Netherlands 11/16/2019 08:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where on earth is the money going? The world is a closed system. If one country loses money, another should gain it Serious question. The world is a closed system. Assets just don’t evaporate into space. So how can every single country on earth be in debt? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77545963 [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] In a closed system, if I take a Euro from you, I have a Euro. It doesn’t go anywhere, unless I owe someone else a Euro. If I give it to them, THEY have a Euro. So if money and goods are leaving one country (leaving it in debt like the US is), shouldn’t another country be wealthy from receiving the goods? Even oil rich countries like UAE and Qatar are in debt. How is it that every. Single. Country. In the world is in massive debt? One country should be massively wealthy if funds were taken from all the countries, right? Can someone explain it to me? debt is infinite |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2590977 United States 11/16/2019 08:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where on earth is the money going? The world is a closed system. If one country loses money, another should gain it Because for every dollar you put in the bank. The bank lends our $10. Then your account gets drained with interest and you put more money back in your account without ever fully paying off your debts and then they lend out $10 more dollars. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76172393 Slovakia 11/16/2019 08:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where on earth is the money going? The world is a closed system. If one country loses money, another should gain it Serious question. The world is a closed system. Assets just don’t evaporate into space. So how can every single country on earth be in debt? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77545963 [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] In a closed system, if I take a Euro from you, I have a Euro. It doesn’t go anywhere, unless I owe someone else a Euro. If I give it to them, THEY have a Euro. So if money and goods are leaving one country (leaving it in debt like the US is), shouldn’t another country be wealthy from receiving the goods? Even oil rich countries like UAE and Qatar are in debt. How is it that every. Single. Country. In the world is in massive debt? One country should be massively wealthy if funds were taken from all the countries, right? Can someone explain it to me? debt is infinite Serious question. The world is a closed system. Assets just don’t evaporate into space. So how can every single country on earth be in debt? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77545963 [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] In a closed system, if I take a Euro from you, I have a Euro. It doesn’t go anywhere, unless I owe someone else a Euro. If I give it to them, THEY have a Euro. So if money and goods are leaving one country (leaving it in debt like the US is), shouldn’t another country be wealthy from receiving the goods? Even oil rich countries like UAE and Qatar are in debt. How is it that every. Single. Country. In the world is in massive debt? One country should be massively wealthy if funds were taken from all the countries, right? Can someone explain it to me? debt is infinite So is the hyperinflation when the ultimate bubble bursts. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77454933 United States 11/16/2019 08:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where on earth is the money going? The world is a closed system. If one country loses money, another should gain it wealth is not a closed system. All wealth comes from the earth. You can buy land and mine for silver and gold and create wealth and create more "money" for the system. The paper money is fake and comes out of thin air. Only hard assets have value like land, gold and silver. You can even buy some small land with trees and carve wood sculpture from the tree wood and create wealth. TPTB want you to think its a closed system. |
Festus Hoggbottom
User ID: 72217239 United States 11/16/2019 08:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where on earth is the money going? The world is a closed system. If one country loses money, another should gain it It's pretty simple. Money flows. You can actually watch it happen if you know how. Right now is 'risk on'. That means money is flowing mainly into the US Dollar and primarily out of Gold, Japanese Yen, and Swiss Franc. Others too, but these are the easiest to see. When we shift to a 'risk off' environment (probably as a result of some bad news for the Dollar), the flow will reverse. There is money to be made both ways. I did it. I did it on purpose. And I'll do it again. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78129331 United States 11/16/2019 08:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where on earth is the money going? The world is a closed system. If one country loses money, another should gain it Money is legitimately created (or more accurately value) when any raw material is worked and refined into a new more valuable state. Like taking a tree branch and carving it into a figurine. The figurine is worth more than the branch it started as. New dollars need to be released into the system to account for this creation of value. Likewise, dollars should be removed from the system if the opposite happens (something valuable is made less valuable). Obviously this is pretty hard to track, and also doesnt account for value created that is less concrete, like a singer entertaining, or a financial advisor advising, or a teacher teaching. These types of value exist because it is believed that they propagate the creation of the concrete type of value by spreading knowledge or improving morale, etc. Bottom line, it is not a close system because new wealth (and propagators of wealth) are constantly at work in the system. It is complicated. Think about it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76172393 Slovakia 11/16/2019 08:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Where on earth is the money going? The world is a closed system. If one country loses money, another should gain it Money is legitimately created (or more accurately value) when any raw material is worked and refined into a new more valuable state. Like taking a tree branch and carving it into a figurine. The figurine is worth more than the branch it started as. New dollars need to be released into the system to account for this creation of value. Likewise, dollars should be removed from the system if the opposite happens (something valuable is made less valuable). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78129331 Obviously this is pretty hard to track, and also doesnt account for value created that is less concrete, like a singer entertaining, or a financial advisor advising, or a teacher teaching. These types of value exist because it is believed that they propagate the creation of the concrete type of value by spreading knowledge or improving morale, etc. Bottom line, it is not a close system because new wealth (and propagators of wealth) are constantly at work in the system. It is complicated. Think about it. The U.S. have been printing funny money for decades, and exporting the hyperinflation into the whole world by the means of the petro dollar system and Wall Street cenral banking, after 100+ years the Reckoning is coming ... |
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