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There will be no trial in the Senate - just a presentation by the Managers (prosecution i.e. House) followed by the verdict vote

 
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There will be no trial in the Senate - just a presentation by the Managers (prosecution i.e. House) followed by the verdict vote
Looks like even Trump doesn'r understand that IT IS NOT A REAL TRIAL in the Senate.

They just vote on the articles of impeachment presented by the House. No calling witnesses or presenting evidence.
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The proceedings unfold in the form of a trial, with each side having the right to call witnesses and perform cross-examinations. The House members, who are given the collective title of managers during the course of the trial, present the prosecution case, and the impeached official has the right to mount a defense with his or her own attorneys as well. Senators must also take an oath or affirmation that they will perform their duties honestly and with due diligence.
After hearing the charges, the Senate usually deliberates in private. The Constitution requires a two-thirds super majority to convict a person being impeached.[29] The Senate enters judgment on its decision, whether that be to convict or acquit, and a copy of the judgment is filed with the Secretary of State.[19] Upon conviction in the Senate, the official is automatically removed from office and may also be barred from holding future office.
The trial is not an actual criminal proceeding and more closely resembles a civil service termination appeal in terms of the contemplated deprivation. Therefore, the removed official may still be liable to criminal prosecution under a subsequent criminal proceeding. The President may not grant a pardon in the impeachment case, but may in any resulting Federal criminal case.[30]
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Yeah. And was it like that with Bill Clinton? No. They just voted on whether to convict or acquit. They can choose a format like that to deprive Trump of the right to present evidence or call witnesses. The House can call anything an impeachable offece. The Senate can choose to simply vote for a summary verdict without going through the hassle of a trial.
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Actually yes!

Moscow Mitch does have some say in duration I believe. That is the format though.

As for Clinton trial..

Testimony[edit]
The managers presented their case over three days, from January 14 to 16, with discussion of the facts and background of the case; detailed cases for both articles of impeachment (including excerpts from videotaped grand jury testimony that Clinton had made the previous August); matters of interpretation and application of the laws governing perjury and obstruction of justice; and argument that the evidence and precedents justified removal of the President from office by virtue of "willful, premeditated, deliberate corruption of the nation's system of justice through perjury and obstruction of justice."[29] The defense presentation took place from January 19–21.

Voting took place on the 27th.
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The proceedings unfold in the form of a trial, with each side having the right to call witnesses and perform cross-examinations. The House members, who are given the collective title of managers during the course of the trial, present the prosecution case, and the impeached official has the right to mount a defense with his or her own attorneys as well. Senators must also take an oath or affirmation that they will perform their duties honestly and with due diligence.
After hearing the charges, the Senate usually deliberates in private. The Constitution requires a two-thirds super majority to convict a person being impeached.[29] The Senate enters judgment on its decision, whether that be to convict or acquit, and a copy of the judgment is filed with the Secretary of State.[19] Upon conviction in the Senate, the official is automatically removed from office and may also be barred from holding future office.
The trial is not an actual criminal proceeding and more closely resembles a civil service termination appeal in terms of the contemplated deprivation. Therefore, the removed official may still be liable to criminal prosecution under a subsequent criminal proceeding. The President may not grant a pardon in the impeachment case, but may in any resulting Federal criminal case.[30]
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Yeah. And was it like that with Bill Clinton? No. They just voted on whether to convict or acquit. They can choose a format like that to deprive Trump of the right to present evidence or call witnesses. The House can call anything an impeachable offece. The Senate can choose to simply vote for a summary verdict without going through the hassle of a trial.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59949495


Actually yes!

Moscow Mitch does have some say in duration I believe. That is the format though.

As for Clinton trial..

Testimony[edit]
The managers presented their case over three days, from January 14 to 16, with discussion of the facts and background of the case; detailed cases for both articles of impeachment (including excerpts from videotaped grand jury testimony that Clinton had made the previous August); matters of interpretation and application of the laws governing perjury and obstruction of justice; and argument that the evidence and precedents justified removal of the President from office by virtue of "willful, premeditated, deliberate corruption of the nation's system of justice through perjury and obstruction of justice."[29] The defense presentation took place from January 19–21.

Voting took place on the 27th.
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U.S. President Donald Trump has refused to engage with the House of Representatives’ impeachment inquiry but is expected to adopt a very different strategy in the likely event of a trial in the Senate.


FILE PHOTO: U.S. President Donald Trump leaves Downing Street after attending a reception hosted by Britian's Prime Minister Boris Johnson, ahead of the NATO summit in Watford, in London, Britain, December 3, 2019. Alastair Grant/Pool via REUTERS/File Photo
The Republican president has said he wants a full trial in the Senate because he would receive fair treatment there. The chamber is controlled by his party, unlike the House, where opposition Democrats have a majority.
The following explains how Senate impeachment proceedings work and some of the strategic maneuvers available to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.
WHAT IS THE SENATE’S ROLE?
Senators will listen to evidence presented by House members if, as expected, the House votes to impeach Trump. The president will be represented by defense lawyers, and U.S. Chief Justice John Roberts will oversee the proceedings.
The senators will consider the evidence and vote on whether Trump is guilty of the impeachment charges presented by the House. A two-thirds majority is required for any vote to remove him from office. With Republicans holding a majority in the chamber, it is seen as highly unlikely that he would be found guilty in any trial.
CAN TRUMP CALL WITNESSES?
Trump has said he wants to call former Vice President Joe Biden, who is a leading contender for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020, and his son Hunter Biden, who served on the board of Ukrainian energy company.
Trump, who is seeking re-election, has accused the Bidens of corruption, without providing evidence, and pushed Ukraine’s president to investigate them in a July 25 phone call that triggered the impeachment inquiry. Trump has defended the phone call as perfect and said he did nothing wrong.
Biden has said he would not voluntarily testify at a Senate trial but has not said how he would respond to a subpoena. The prospect of Biden leaving the campaign trail to defend himself against Trump’s allegations in the very chamber where he served for decades holds the potential for must-watch TV.
Historically, a president’s defense lawyers have been allowed to request witness testimony, but such demands must be approved by a majority of senators.
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"In the 1999 impeachment trial of Democratic President Bill Clinton, Republican sought to call witnesses. Democrats objected, saying their live testimony would drag out the proceedings. Ultimately, three witnesses were questioned in private by both sides. Videotaped excerpts of their depositions were then played at the trial.
WHAT HAS MCCONNELL SAID HE WILL DO?
McConnell has said publicly that if the House approves the articles of impeachment, he will begin a trial in the Senate and will try to negotiate trial rules with Senate Democratic leader Charles Schumer.
If McConnell fails to reach agreement with Schumer, he would try to muster the 51 votes need to pass a set of rules. McConnell says that in the event that 51 senators cannot agree on rules, the process would be decided through a series of motions, or proposals submitted by senators.
During Clinton’s impeachment trial, the Senate voted 100-0 to adopt a set of rules. That bipartisan resolution laid out specific procedures for managing floor time, calling witnesses, and presenting arguments. "
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