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Each of these terms is used with no definition to insult people that disagree with you. Lets try defining them. A communist does not believe in private property, a capitalist does not believe in community property and a socialist believes some things should be community owned and other things should be privately owned. Ignore the terms I used and give me a better description of what I said the words mean. If you believe some things should be owned by the community, tell me what things they are.
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Capitalism:,” it’s your fault you are poor. Work yourself to death. It’s a moral thing.

Socialism: How about we all have the same amount and pretend everyone is the same and reward mediocrity and punish excellence and ignore rapes and put people in jail for using bad words?

Communism: If you got it, we takin’ it and giving it to our bros at the very bottom of the barrel. For this to happen several hundred million people will have to die or be forced to labor. I wonder what 8-figure death toll we can cook up this time? Plus, everything old and beautiful gets crushed and replaced with shitty concrete, except for the most elite national treasure historical stuff. Thats where we your new leaders will live.
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The nice version:

Cap: works best when you have a small population with lots of stuff, or with the stones to grab stuff from other countries. Or you could just grab whatever is laying around. Or not. Do whatcha like, ain’t it grand?

Socialism:,It’s basically about playing fair and treating people nice and trusting them to play fair, so to work you have to have fulfillment beyond the material, a very law-abiding population, people willing to work hard rather than scam the system....essentially a big loving family; which usuallly means racially homogeneous but that’s not polite to talk about. We are very polite.

Communism: Well, it’s a real struggle to say something nice about this one, but I guess if you live in a 4th-world shithole where there is barely any stuff at all and a small clique that’s got money falling out of its ass, might as well give it a shot. Problem is, leaders get turned into the new clique with money fallling out their ass, or get bumped off by one of the capitalist big dawgs, and nobody is any better off; in fact, this whole process usually involves killing anyone with the talent to actually make stuff work.
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They are all the exact same things. At the top is a very small % of ultra wealthy manipulating the populations under them.
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They are all the exact same things. At the top is a very small % of ultra wealthy manipulating the populations under them.
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None of these systems had any traction 300 years ago so it stands to reason there must be alternatives.

But what?
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Hypnotic anarchy.
Monarchy
Mystocracy
Martial law
Jeffersonian Democracy
Tokugawa neoconfucianism
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Capitalism.

You're farmer, you own your land and produce freely what you need to eat, you build also capital, you sell or exchange the extra production to third parties.

Communism.

You're were a farmer, but now an employee of the state, you produce for the state, the state divides then distribute back to you and to the members of the state, the extra goes in the pocket of the fraud in control of the state.

Socialism.

You're told being a farmer is a low profile, you're are formatted to believe and participate to induce progress, the state ultimately is your big brother, the nany state that provides for you, you're like a tomatoe plant grown inside an industrial scale green houses.
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They are all the exact same things. At the top is a very small % of ultra wealthy manipulating the populations under them.
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None of these systems had any traction 300 years ago so it stands to reason there must be alternatives.

But what?
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They are the same as the systems 300 and more years ago. Those were Monarchies...Nobles and Peasants....small % manipulating and controlling the populations.

The same families today are the super wealthy....they come directly from those ruling families. The old money strings are still intact.
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They are all the exact same things. At the top is a very small % of ultra wealthy manipulating the populations under them.
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None of these systems had any traction 300 years ago so it stands to reason there must be alternatives.

But what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78421079


They are the same as the systems 300 and more years ago. Those were Monarchies...Nobles and Peasants....small % manipulating and controlling the populations.

The same families today are the super wealthy....they come directly from those ruling families. The old money strings are still intact.
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It’s kind of amazing isn’t it.
I don’t think the old monarchies are completely intact but there are people in the “power structure” who can trace their lineage back to the Roman senate
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They are all the exact same things. At the top is a very small % of ultra wealthy manipulating the populations under them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77852475


None of these systems had any traction 300 years ago so it stands to reason there must be alternatives.

But what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78421079


They are the same as the systems 300 and more years ago. Those were Monarchies...Nobles and Peasants....small % manipulating and controlling the populations.

The same families today are the super wealthy....they come directly from those ruling families. The old money strings are still intact.
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But wait a minute. The commies definitely iced the Romanovs. Every now and then one of these families gets the firing squad treatment.
Chinese dynasties have come and gone....the commies iced the quing who killed the Ming etc....on the other hand in Japan it’s insane how far back some family businesses go.
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They are all the exact same things. At the top is a very small % of ultra wealthy manipulating the populations under them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77852475


None of these systems had any traction 300 years ago so it stands to reason there must be alternatives.

But what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78421079


They are the same as the systems 300 and more years ago. Those were Monarchies...Nobles and Peasants....small % manipulating and controlling the populations.

The same families today are the super wealthy....they come directly from those ruling families. The old money strings are still intact.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77852475


It’s kind of amazing isn’t it.
I don’t think the old monarchies are completely intact but there are people in the “power structure” who can trace their lineage back to the Roman senate
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Not completely intact....they have killed their own in many disputes. Some of them always take control though when another falls.

Every royal house today in the world is directly related to eachother. Every US President has been from this family.

People are confused...Mid East Royals...Japan...India...on and on. They do not realize that this family wears every color of skin there is in this world. It was united but divided in public family. The strings have never been broken.
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Dead in a motherfucking fire.

This is what they are.
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They are all the exact same things. At the top is a very small % of ultra wealthy manipulating the populations under them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77852475


None of these systems had any traction 300 years ago so it stands to reason there must be alternatives.

But what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78421079


They are the same as the systems 300 and more years ago. Those were Monarchies...Nobles and Peasants....small % manipulating and controlling the populations.

The same families today are the super wealthy....they come directly from those ruling families. The old money strings are still intact.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77852475


But wait a minute. The commies definitely iced the Romanovs. Every now and then one of these families gets the firing squad treatment.
Chinese dynasties have come and gone....the commies iced the quing who killed the Ming etc....on the other hand in Japan it’s insane how far back some family businesses go.
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Putin is a family member....the big oligarchs are family. Xi is a family member. Some parts of the tree have been trimmed but there is never anything in control besides the tree.
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:political-spectr:
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Wait until you see my new redesigned chart bro.

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You guys should read (or re-read) Orwell’s “book within a book” inside 1984...he is dead on

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They are all the exact same things. At the top is a very small % of ultra wealthy manipulating the populations under them.
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None of these systems had any traction 300 years ago so it stands to reason there must be alternatives.

But what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78421079


300+ years ago
was agrarian society

however, it was still the same

the top 0.1% were the ruling class ultra elite wealthy land owners
and the rest of the population were 99.9 % were plebs/serfs just getting by share cropping for the land owners
and the "tradesmen" blacksmith, thatcher(roofer), fisherman, logger, etc.
still didn't and couldn't become wealthy with their skills
oh hai!
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:political-spectr:
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That is really good.
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Capitalism:,” it’s your fault you are poor. Work yourself to death. It’s a moral thing.

Socialism: How about we all have the same amount and pretend everyone is the same and reward mediocrity and punish excellence and ignore rapes and put people in jail for using bad words?

Communism: If you got it, we takin’ it and giving it to our bros at the very bottom of the barrel. For this to happen several hundred million people will have to die or be forced to labor. I wonder what 8-figure death toll we can cook up this time? Plus, everything old and beautiful gets crushed and replaced with shitty concrete, except for the most elite national treasure historical stuff. Thats where we your new leaders will live.
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Yep. Capitalism is the worst possible socio-economic system....except for all the others.
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They are all the exact same things. At the top is a very small % of ultra wealthy manipulating the populations under them.
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None of these systems had any traction 300 years ago so it stands to reason there must be alternatives.

But what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78421079


300+ years ago
was agrarian society

however, it was still the same

the top 0.1% were the ruling class ultra elite wealthy land owners
and the rest of the population were 99.9 % were plebs/serfs just getting by share cropping for the land owners
and the "tradesmen" blacksmith, thatcher(roofer), fisherman, logger, etc.
still didn't and couldn't become wealthy with their skills
 Quoting: Red John


True...but they lived contented rural life until industry disrupted things and then the old system had to be re-worked.

I read once the Black Plague in 1400s was a benefit for surviving peasants because they could move into bigger houses, loot the gooods of the dead...they stopped working as slave labor and the nobility had to give them more rights and a better life to entice them back to serf-doom.
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One place where it was different than everywhere else is the Americas.

Ownership of land is the key to continuation of control.

Even today when they call it private property it is not private. Nobody else is ever actually allowed to own any land. If you do not continuously pay the property taxes you forfeit ability to control the land. This is the same as the tribute systems before. If you cannot produce enough to continue to pay tribute your land is gone and somebody else is moved onto it.

They own and control all the land everywhere in the world. Their ownership of the land is permanent by law.
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They are all the exact same things. At the top is a very small % of ultra wealthy manipulating the populations under them.
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None of these systems had any traction 300 years ago so it stands to reason there must be alternatives.

But what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78421079


300+ years ago
was agrarian society

however, it was still the same

the top 0.1% were the ruling class ultra elite wealthy land owners
and the rest of the population were 99.9 % were plebs/serfs just getting by share cropping for the land owners
and the "tradesmen" blacksmith, thatcher(roofer), fisherman, logger, etc.
still didn't and couldn't become wealthy with their skills
 Quoting: Red John


True...but they lived contented rural life until industry disrupted things and then the old system had to be re-worked.

I read once the Black Plague in 1400s was a benefit for surviving peasants because they could move into bigger houses, loot the gooods of the dead...they stopped working as slave labor and the nobility had to give them more rights and a better life to entice them back to serf-doom.
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no it was feminazism that disrupted things

the destruction of the family unit, destroyed the moral framework of having a healthy society

contentment comes from happy and pleasant home life
1800s industrial revolution didn't kill the contentment
it offered and afforded the skilled the potential to better themselves and lift themselves out of serfdom

while still having and maintaining a family and happy contented home

if feminazism was in existence in the 1700 the US would never have become what it is
because all the homesteader wives would have told the dudes to fuck off and got back on the boat to Europe
oh hai!
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Each of these terms is used with no definition to insult people that disagree with you. Lets try defining them. A communist does not believe in private property, a capitalist does not believe in community property and a socialist believes some things should be community owned and other things should be privately owned. Ignore the terms I used and give me a better description of what I said the words mean. If you believe some things should be owned by the community, tell me what things they are.
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aaaaannnddd youre a communist - community property = tax you to death for shit that YOU dont use -
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One place where it was different than everywhere else is the Americas.

Ownership of land is the key to continuation of control.

Even today when they call it private property it is not private. Nobody else is ever actually allowed to own any land. If you do not continuously pay the property taxes you forfeit ability to control the land. This is the same as the tribute systems before. If you cannot produce enough to continue to pay tribute your land is gone and somebody else is moved onto it.

They own and control all the land everywhere in the world. Their ownership of the land is permanent by law.
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This is bang-on.

America was so vast and fat with resources and so few people you basically had to go out of your way to fuck up. I can’t think of a single country so gifted.

I am still trying to figure out how Tokugawa Japan worked: 300 years of peace despite the presence of guns, people were pretty well off for the times, the rich and the huge Buddhist temples had insane amounts of money but everything was super-relaxed, no revolutions, a few tense moments in some famine years but a 300 year run of prosperity and peace with a tight population and few resources. It was an absolute dictatorship but it worked.
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None of these systems had any traction 300 years ago so it stands to reason there must be alternatives.

But what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78421079


300+ years ago
was agrarian society

however, it was still the same

the top 0.1% were the ruling class ultra elite wealthy land owners
and the rest of the population were 99.9 % were plebs/serfs just getting by share cropping for the land owners
and the "tradesmen" blacksmith, thatcher(roofer), fisherman, logger, etc.
still didn't and couldn't become wealthy with their skills
 Quoting: Red John


True...but they lived contented rural life until industry disrupted things and then the old system had to be re-worked.

I read once the Black Plague in 1400s was a benefit for surviving peasants because they could move into bigger houses, loot the gooods of the dead...they stopped working as slave labor and the nobility had to give them more rights and a better life to entice them back to serf-doom.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78421079


no it was feminazism that disrupted things

the destruction of the family unit, destroyed the moral framework of having a healthy society

contentment comes from happy and pleasant home life
1800s industrial revolution didn't kill the contentment
it offered and afforded the skilled the potential to better themselves and lift themselves out of serfdom

while still having and maintaining a family and happy contented home

if feminazism was in existence in the 1700 the US would never have become what it is
because all the homesteader wives would have told the dudes to fuck off and got back on the boat to Europe
 Quoting: Red John


Interesting. I need to think about this. Family changes have been huge recently....there must be massive impact....thanks for the new angle.
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One place where it was different than everywhere else is the Americas.

Ownership of land is the key to continuation of control.

Even today when they call it private property it is not private. Nobody else is ever actually allowed to own any land. If you do not continuously pay the property taxes you forfeit ability to control the land. This is the same as the tribute systems before. If you cannot produce enough to continue to pay tribute your land is gone and somebody else is moved onto it.

They own and control all the land everywhere in the world. Their ownership of the land is permanent by law.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77852475


This is bang-on.

America was so vast and fat with resources and so few people you basically had to go out of your way to fuck up. I can’t think of a single country so gifted.

I am still trying to figure out how Tokugawa Japan worked: 300 years of peace despite the presence of guns, people were pretty well off for the times, the rich and the huge Buddhist temples had insane amounts of money but everything was super-relaxed, no revolutions, a few tense moments in some famine years but a 300 year run of prosperity and peace with a tight population and few resources. It was an absolute dictatorship but it worked.
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When you have the fundamental idea that nobody owns the land and you practice taking only what you need from the land, the land produces everything needed for eternity.

Once you own the land, and exploit the land, it's ability to produce gets destroyed. Everywhere in the world that the land ownership system has gone has destroyed the land.

It is absolutely amazing to see what destruction has been done to the Americas is the last 530 years or so. From pristine to poisonous. There is really no clear land, water or air left. It was all perfect 530 years ago.
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One place where it was different than everywhere else is the Americas.

Ownership of land is the key to continuation of control.

Even today when they call it private property it is not private. Nobody else is ever actually allowed to own any land. If you do not continuously pay the property taxes you forfeit ability to control the land. This is the same as the tribute systems before. If you cannot produce enough to continue to pay tribute your land is gone and somebody else is moved onto it.

They own and control all the land everywhere in the world. Their ownership of the land is permanent by law.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77852475


This is bang-on.

America was so vast and fat with resources and so few people you basically had to go out of your way to fuck up. I can’t think of a single country so gifted.

I am still trying to figure out how Tokugawa Japan worked: 300 years of peace despite the presence of guns, people were pretty well off for the times, the rich and the huge Buddhist temples had insane amounts of money but everything was super-relaxed, no revolutions, a few tense moments in some famine years but a 300 year run of prosperity and peace with a tight population and few resources. It was an absolute dictatorship but it worked.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78421079


When you have the fundamental idea that nobody owns the land and you practice taking only what you need from the land, the land produces everything needed for eternity.

Once you own the land, and exploit the land, it's ability to produce gets destroyed. Everywhere in the world that the land ownership system has gone has destroyed the land.

It is absolutely amazing to see what destruction has been done to the Americas is the last 530 years or so. From pristine to poisonous. There is really no clear land, water or air left. It was all perfect 530 years ago.
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It’s one of the most insane stories of human history. Rome on crack.
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The thread died once the reality of the land owners came to light.

The last 530 years is also the largest genocide ever committed here. 99+ % total extermination.

The Americas is the greatest travesty to ever happen here. So clearly criminal and vile but almost never acknowledged by anybody.

Holocaust this and that but you never hear how the only people living properly on Earth were exterminated by same bastards who have destroyed the world everywhere they have went.





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