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Most notable thing to me reading that is it saying there is no way of testing for this virus. The tests available either are ineffective or innacurate.

This is either 100% fake news...or a startling revelation showing a major world govt cover up.
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From a librarian friend at Stanford. Info from infectious disease docs at UCSF
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What a load of ROLE PLAYING bollocks....

"[See chart by age Signe found online, attached at bottom.]"

Oh yeah..... Top officials get their research on the web....lmao
IF YOU HAVE A FEVER DO NOT LOWER IT WITH MEDS.... A FEVER IS AN IMMUNE SYSTEM RESPONSE TO A PATHOGEN (VIRUS, BACTERIA ETC..) IT MEANS YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS WORKING PROPERLY....DONT USE DRUGS TO LOWER YOUR TEMP.
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Pneomonia shots are what they're giving vulnerable ppl here in Ireland then (I'm not in NI/UK.) Know a couple ppl that got texts to see their GP & got a shot but didn't know what it was.
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Tons of elderly here in the states have the pneumococcal shot for pneumonia so I wonder about that also. My parents refuse the flu shot but both have the pneumonia vaccine.
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Docs still not aware that CT testing is a thing???
It is showing cv19 even in asymptomatic!
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I am with you. I don't get it why they aren't using CT except that they are too chea to care.
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Pneomonia shots are what they're giving vulnerable ppl here in Ireland then (I'm not in NI/UK.) Know a couple ppl that got texts to see their GP & got a shot but didn't know what it was.
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Tons of elderly here in the states have the pneumococcal shot for pneumonia so I wonder about that also. My parents refuse the flu shot but both have the pneumonia vaccine.
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I don't do vaccines, never the flu shot, but do you really believe the pneumonia vaccine could stop a corona virus infection from becoming deadly?
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Pneomonia shots are what they're giving vulnerable ppl here in Ireland then (I'm not in NI/UK.) Know a couple ppl that got texts to see their GP & got a shot but didn't know what it was.
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Tons of elderly here in the states have the pneumococcal shot for pneumonia so I wonder about that also. My parents refuse the flu shot but both have the pneumonia vaccine.
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I don't do vaccines, never the flu shot, but do you really believe the pneumonia vaccine could stop a corona virus infection from becoming deadly?
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What it said specifically is that preventing pneumonia will help to keep your immune system strong in the event of catching covid19.
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I think this email is going around, I got one very similar but it has a list of what to do




Subject: Fwd: Covid 19. From Stanford Hospital Board Member - Sounds like great info and advice for us and loved ones.

Good practical advice.



I have this from a friend of mine who’s brother is on the Stanford hospital board. This is their feedback for now on Corona virus: The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days.

How can one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning.

Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases:

Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous.




1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold

2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.

3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.

4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.

5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.

6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it.

7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.

8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.

9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.

10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water!

THE SYMPTOMS

1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days

2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.

3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.

4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning.

It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.



SPREAD THE WORD - PLEASE SHARE."




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Awesome info, OP!

And also kpm.
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Quercitin and zinc...Get it. Take it.

Visit howbad.info...If you took the shot, for sure.
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I wrote an article last week about the labs not being certified and online

The thread was intentionally disappeared here again because it proves Trump is a lying RINO

The irrefutable proof below is from my own family

The Trump Administration is leading from behind intentionally to make sure this crisis doesn’t go to waste

I have no problem confirming it’s authenticity to the mods if they will allow me to create a member profile for verification

We are being lied to on an industrial scale and the truth is disappearing to protect this Administration instead of protecting the citizenry

No SEROLOGICAL TEST had been developed yet to detect COVID-19 in patients that are ASYMPTOMATIC despite what this Administration has been telling you

Those 72 labs in those 48 states are not testing for the virus yet because their labs haven’t been brought online yet

The reason why is because those labs are not BSL-4 equipped yet

They will be but they’re not ready and won’t be for quite some time

Prove me wrong

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Leave your hatred for Trump out of it for God's sake! This is not political and unless you get some therapy for your TDS symptoms, your TDS will destroy your immune system quicker than cv19
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bump
for later... gotta go make $$ while it's still possible.
"Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
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Shit Happens - and then we die?



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Yep it’s happens all the time people are just to busy with ever day BS
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Top takeaways
At this point, we are past containment. Containment is basically futile. Our containment efforts won’t reduce the number who get infected in the US.
Now we’re just trying to slow the spread, to help healthcare providers deal with the demand peak. In other words, the goal of containment is to "flatten the curve", to lower the peak of the surge of demand that will hit healthcare providers. And to buy time, in hopes a drug can be developed.
How many in the community already have the virus? No one knows.
We are moving from containment to care.
We in the US are currently where at where Italy was a week ago. We see nothing to say we will be substantially different.
40-70% of the US population will be infected over the next 12-18 months. After that level you can start to get herd immunity. Unlike flu this is entirely novel to humans, so there is no latent immunity in the global population.
[We used their numbers to work out a guesstimate of deaths— indicating about 1.5 million Americans may die. The panelists did not disagree with our estimate. This compares to seasonal flu’s average of 50K Americans per year. Assume 50% of US population, that’s 160M people infected. With 1% mortality rate that's 1.6M Americans die over the next 12-18 months.]
The fatality rate is in the range of 10X flu.
This assumes no drug is found effective and made available.
The death rate varies hugely by age. Over age 80 the mortality rate could be 10-15%. [See chart by age Signe found online, attached at bottom.]
Don’t know whether COVID-19 is seasonal but if is and subsides over the summer, it is likely to roar back in fall as the 1918 flu did
I can only tell you two things definitively. Definitively it’s going to get worse before it gets better. And we'll be dealing with this for the next year at least. Our lives are going to look different for the next year.
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Wow.
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Your expert panel knows less than anyone reading this thread.
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Fear porn.
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The biggest hole I see with this agenda wise is the claim that this is un-testable at the time. Yet...they are still predicting 1.6 million deaths in the next few months.

Does anyone see a problem with this stance? What this does is opens the door for blaming any sickness and death (that literally happens annually everywhere) for this disease. How can they themselves know an accurate number of deaths if they have no idea an accurate number of how many will be infected?

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US was attacked.

Way bigger than Pearl Harbor. Way bigger than 911.
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"Unlike during SARS, China’s scientists are publishing openly and accurately on COVID-19."

lol.....jigga please
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The biggest hole I see with this agenda wise is the claim that this is un-testable at the time. Yet...they are still predicting 1.6 million deaths in the next few months.

Does anyone see a problem with this stance? What this does is opens the door for blaming any sickness and death (that literally happens annually everywhere) for this disease. How can they themselves know an accurate number of deaths if they have no idea an accurate number of how many will be infected?
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It's much easier to count the dead than the infected.
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The biggest hole I see with this agenda wise is the claim that this is un-testable at the time. Yet...we are still predicting 1.6 million deaths in the next few months.

Does anyone see a problem with this stance? What this does is opens the door for blaming any sickness and death (that literally happens annually everywhere) for this disease. How can they themselves know an accurate number of deaths if they have no idea an accurate number of how many will be infected?
 Quoting: The F Shack


Yep....this designer virus provides cover for sooo many things. Epic pollution in urban Chinese cities and their ppl suffering from exposure, etc. I'm still on fence about the 'dot that begs connecting' of employing 5G over there and what that exactly does to our bodies.

Thx to OP for sharing. I'm up in balcony and just realized I don't have enough popcorn.
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Amazing post -- thank you. Pin much deserved. I think this is totally legit.

That said, I do think kids are carriers, and that's really downplayed here. Also, how do you define a "kid"? What age? I know there are reported cases of teenagers getting sick, and also a few of little kids, though they do recover well, it seems.
Looks like freedom but it feels like death. It's something in between I guess... it's closing time.

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Wow they are even saying kids are not being affectedbump
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They are NOT saying that the children do not get the SARS CoV-2 virus. They DO !

They just DON'T seem to get the COVID-19 DISEASE from the virus.

You seriously need to understand the difference here or all your older relatives are at risk from your asymptomatic children!!!!!!
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This isn't the elite culling. This is the Earth restoring the natural order. For too long in the United States, we have kept very unhealthy, very sick people alive artificially.

Nursing homes are full of people ventilated and fed through artificial means. For lack of a better term, gorkers. People who are nothing more than a brain stem that won't be let go by welling meaning, but very misguided, loved ones who think, "grandpa will get better" or "nana smiled at me."

Fools who believe because they see finger twitching or the person lets out some terrible, guttural wail when they're spoken to, that is somehow life.

Millions of dollars spent on people 80-90 years old to prolong their lives for a year or two. And those lives are often miserable. Not some spry 85 years old still playing golf or partaking in hobbies. But people who are just biological shells or who have so many ailments life isn't enjoyable.

This is nature slapping a racist of narcissists square in the chops.
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Pneomonia shots are what they're giving vulnerable ppl here in Ireland then (I'm not in NI/UK.) Know a couple ppl that got texts to see their GP & got a shot but didn't know what it was.
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Please don't get this shot.
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Observations on China
Unlike during SARS, China’s scientists are publishing openly and accurately on COVID-19.

Yeah sure i trust the communist party, they are so open and transparent...iamwith

ANYTHING FROM CHINA IS A LIE!

Don't you get it yet!

Anything you see or hear from official sources are lies.

Just keep waiting for official statements you zombie retard.
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The biggest hole I see with this agenda wise is the claim that this is un-testable at the time. Yet...they are still predicting 1.6 million deaths in the next few months.

Does anyone see a problem with this stance? What this does is opens the door for blaming any sickness and death (that literally happens annually everywhere) for this disease. How can they themselves know an accurate number of deaths if they have no idea an accurate number of how many will be infected?
 Quoting: The F Shack


It's much easier to count the dead than the infected.
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For sure...but we have dead people across the world every day. On avg across the world there are 150k people that die per day. Most of them are from old age type diseases...all kinds of different complications.

It just does not make sense to me how this Stanford doctor (or whoever it is) can make the claim that we have no idea how to test for this, but 1.5 or 1.6 million are going to die.

An easy assumption can be made that if we don't know how many people are sick then there is no way we can know how many will die. Im no doctor but that seems common sense to me.
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Wow they are even saying kids are not being affectedbump
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I believe they are being affected. We just don’t know all the details, yet. They could be carriers for life as far as we know.

The facts just don’t exist yet - to say honestly that kids are not affected.

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..typo

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Most notable thing to me reading that is it saying there is no way of testing for this virus. The tests available either are ineffective or innacurate.

This is either 100% fake news...or a startling revelation showing a major world govt cover up.
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That would explain why the Hanks are more than happy to share their diagnosis and why Trump is not happy at all...He has to lie to keep the sheep as calm as possible.
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From a librarian friend at Stanford. Info from infectious disease docs at UCSF

I just got this via email at work (being at Stanford had weird “perks” sometimes). Sorry about the lack of formatting - I’m on my phone.
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Date: March 11, 2020 at 18:29:53 EDT
Subject: Latest on COVID-19 from UCSF's top infection disease researchers

With -- help I was able to arrange a discussion yesterday on COVID-19 with USCF’s top researchers in infectious disease. Here are the notes. I bolded some of the more notable comments from the researchers.

UC San Francisco is either the #1 or #2 hospital in California depending on which survey you read. It is the 4th largest medical research center in the US, based on research grants.

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University of California, San Francisco BioHub Panel on COVID-19
March 10, 2020

Panelists
Joe DeRisi: UCSF’s top infectious disease researcher. Co-president of ChanZuckerberg BioHub (a JV involving UCSF / Berkeley / Stanford). Co-inventor of the chip used in SARS epidemic.
Emily Crawford: COVID task force director. Focused on diagnostics
Cristina Tato: Rapid Response Director. Immunologist.
Patrick Ayescue: Leading outbreak response and surveillance. Epidemiologist.
Chaz Langelier: UCSF Infectious Disease doc

What’s below are essentially direct quotes from the panelists. I bracketed the few things that are not quotes.

Top takeaways
At this point, we are past containment. Containment is basically futile. Our containment efforts won’t reduce the number who get infected in the US.
Now we’re just trying to slow the spread, to help healthcare providers deal with the demand peak. In other words, the goal of containment is to "flatten the curve", to lower the peak of the surge of demand that will hit healthcare providers. And to buy time, in hopes a drug can be developed.
How many in the community already have the virus? No one knows.
We are moving from containment to care.
We in the US are currently where at where Italy was a week ago. We see nothing to say we will be substantially different.
40-70% of the US population will be infected over the next 12-18 months. After that level you can start to get herd immunity. Unlike flu this is entirely novel to humans, so there is no latent immunity in the global population.
[We used their numbers to work out a guesstimate of deaths— indicating about 1.5 million Americans may die. The panelists did not disagree with our estimate. This compares to seasonal flu’s average of 50K Americans per year. Assume 50% of US population, that’s 160M people infected. With 1% mortality rate that's 1.6M Americans die over the next 12-18 months.]
The fatality rate is in the range of 10X flu.
This assumes no drug is found effective and made available.
The death rate varies hugely by age. Over age 80 the mortality rate could be 10-15%. [See chart by age Signe found online, attached at bottom.]
Don’t know whether COVID-19 is seasonal but if is and subsides over the summer, it is likely to roar back in fall as the 1918 flu did
I can only tell you two things definitively. Definitively it’s going to get worse before it gets better. And we'll be dealing with this for the next year at least. Our lives are going to look different for the next year.

What should we do now? What are you doing for your family?
Appears one can be infectious before being symptomatic. We don’t know how infectious before symptomatic, but know that highest level of virus prevalence coincides with symptoms. We currently think folks are infectious 2 days before through 14 days after onset of symptoms (T-2 to T+14 onset).
How long does the virus last?
On surfaces, best guess is 4-20 hours depending on surface type (maybe a few days) but still no consensus on this
The virus is very susceptible to common anti-bacterial cleaning agents: bleach, hydrogen peroxide, alcohol-based.
Avoid concerts, movies, crowded places.
We have cancelled business travel.
Do the basic hygiene, eg hand washing and avoiding touching face.
Stockpile your critical prescription medications. Many pharma supply chains run through China. Pharma companies usually hold 2-3 months of raw materials, so may run out given the disruption in China’s manufacturing.
Pneumonia shot might be helpful. Not preventative of COVID-19, but reduces your chance of being weakened, which makes COVID-19 more dangerous.
Get a flu shot next fall. Not preventative of COVID-19, but reduces your chance of being weakened, which makes COVID-19 more dangerous.
We would say “Anyone over 60 stay at home unless it’s critical”. CDC toyed with idea of saying anyone over 60 not travel on commercial airlines.
We at UCSF are moving our “at-risk” parents back from nursing homes, etc. to their own homes. Then are not letting them out of the house. The other members of the family are washing hands the moment they come in.
Three routes of infection
Hand to mouth / face
Aerosol transmission
Fecal oral route

What if someone is sick?
If someone gets sick, have them stay home and socially isolate. There is very little you can do at a hospital that you couldn’t do at home. Most cases are mild. But if they are old or have lung or cardio-vascular problems, read on.
If someone gets quite sick who is old (70+) or with lung or cardio-vascular problems, take them to the ER.
There is no accepted treatment for COVID-19. The hospital will give supportive care (eg IV fluids, oxygen) to help you stay alive while your body fights the disease. ie to prevent sepsis.
If someone gets sick who is high risk (eg is both old and has lung/cardio-vascular problems), you can try to get them enrolled for “compassionate use" of Remdesivir, a drug that is in clinical trial at San Francisco General and UCSF, and in China. Need to find a doc there in order to ask to enroll. Remdesivir is an anti-viral from Gilead that showed effectiveness against MERS in primates and is being tried against COVID-19. If the trials succeed it might be available for next winter as production scales up far faster for drugs than for vaccines. [More I found online.]
Why is the fatality rate much higher for older adults?
Your immune system declines past age 50
Fatality rate tracks closely with “co-morbidity”, ie the presence of other conditions that compromise the patient’s hearth, especially respiratory or cardio-vascular illness. These conditions are higher in older adults.
Risk of pneumonia is higher in older adults.

What about testing to know if someone has COVID-19?
Bottom line, there is not enough testing capacity to be broadly useful. Here’s why.
Currently, there is no way to determine what a person has other than a PCR test. No other test can yet distinguish "COVID-19 from flu or from the other dozen respiratory bugs that are circulating”.
A Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) test can detect COVID-19’s RNA. However they still don’t have confidence in the test’s specificity, ie they don’t know the rate of false negatives.
The PCR test requires kits with reagents and requires clinical labs to process the kits.
While the kits are becoming available, the lab capacity is not growing.
The leading clinical lab firms, Quest and Labcore have capacity to process 1000 kits per day. For the nation.
Expanding processing capacity takes “time, space, and equipment.” And certification. ie it won’t happen soon.
UCSF and UCBerkeley have donated their research labs to process kits. But each has capacity to process only 20-40 kits per day. And are not clinically certified.
Novel test methods are on the horizon, but not here now and won’t be at any scale to be useful for the present danger.

How well is society preparing for the impact?
Local hospitals are adding capacity as we speak. UCSF’s Parnassus campus has erected “triage tents” in a parking lot. They have converted a ward to “negative pressure” which is needed to contain the virus. They are considering re-opening the shuttered Mt Zion facility.
If COVID-19 affected children then we would be seeing mass departures of families from cities. But thankfully now we know that kids are not affected.
School closures are one the biggest societal impacts. We need to be thoughtful before we close schools, especially elementary schools because of the knock-on effects. If elementary kids are not in school then some hospital staff can’t come to work, which decreases hospital capacity at a time of surging demand for hospital services.
Public Health systems are prepared to deal with short-term outbreaks that last for weeks, like an outbreak of meningitis. They do not have the capacity to sustain for outbreaks that last for months. Other solutions will have to be found.
What will we do to handle behavior changes that can last for months?
Many employees will need to make accommodations for elderly parents and those with underlying conditions and immune-suppressed.
Kids home due to school closures
[Dr. DeRisi had to leave the meeting for a call with the governor’s office. When he returned we asked what the call covered.] The epidemiological models the state is using to track and trigger action. The state is planning at what point they will take certain actions. ie what will trigger an order to cease any gatherings of over 1000 people.

Where do you find reliable news?
The John Hopkins Center for Health Security site. Which posts daily updates. The site says you can sign up to receive a daily newsletter on COVID-19 by email. [I tried and the page times out due to high demand. After three more tries I was successful in registering for the newsletter.]
The New York Times is good on scientific accuracy.


Observations on China
Unlike during SARS, China’s scientists are publishing openly and accurately on COVID-19.
While China’s early reports on incidence were clearly low, that seems to trace to their data management systems being overwhelmed, not to any bad intent.
Wuhan has 4.3 beds per thousand while US has 2.8 beds per thousand. Wuhan built 2 additional hospitals in 2 weeks. Even so, most patients were sent to gymnasiums to sleep on cots.
Early on no one had info on COVID-19. So China reacted in a way unique modern history, except in wartime.
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So a librarian at Stanford can't spell LabCorp or Johns Hopkins correctly?
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''With 1% mortality rate that's 1.6M Americans die over the next 12-18 months.''

Problem is, most of the americans are fat and have diabetes / kardiovascular problems

mortality rate will be waaaaay over 1% over there, its 5% in italy for some reason atm

stay vigilant! yodahf
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I think this email is going around, I got one very similar but it has a list of what to do




Subject: Fwd: Covid 19. From Stanford Hospital Board Member - Sounds like great info and advice for us and loved ones.

Good practical advice.



I have this from a friend of mine who’s brother is on the Stanford hospital board. This is their feedback for now on Corona virus: The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days.

How can one know if he/she is infected? By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late. Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning.

Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air. Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases:

Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous.




1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold

2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.

3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.

4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.

5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.

6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it.

7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.

8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.

9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.

10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water!

THE SYMPTOMS

1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days

2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.

3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.

4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning.

It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.



SPREAD THE WORD - PLEASE SHARE."




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Well Gee whiz... I have thus had corona covid a couple times in the last 5 years or so maybe. based on list above of the symptoms. this virus is not new you know..Just the game
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From a librarian friend at Stanford. Info from infectious disease docs at UCSF

I just got this via email at work (being at Stanford had weird “perks” sometimes). Sorry about the lack of formatting - I’m on my phone.
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Date: March 11, 2020 at 18:29:53 EDT
Subject: Latest on COVID-19 from UCSF's top infection disease researchers

With -- help I was able to arrange a discussion yesterday on COVID-19 with USCF’s top researchers in infectious disease. Here are the notes. I bolded some of the more notable comments from the researchers.

UC San Francisco is either the #1 or #2 hospital in California depending on which survey you read. It is the 4th largest medical research center in the US, based on research grants.

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University of California, San Francisco BioHub Panel on COVID-19
March 10, 2020

Panelists
Joe DeRisi: UCSF’s top infectious disease researcher. Co-president of ChanZuckerberg BioHub (a JV involving UCSF / Berkeley / Stanford). Co-inventor of the chip used in SARS epidemic.
Emily Crawford: COVID task force director. Focused on diagnostics
Cristina Tato: Rapid Response Director. Immunologist.
Patrick Ayescue: Leading outbreak response and surveillance. Epidemiologist.
Chaz Langelier: UCSF Infectious Disease doc

What’s below are essentially direct quotes from the panelists. I bracketed the few things that are not quotes.

Top takeaways
At this point, we are past containment. Containment is basically futile. Our containment efforts won’t reduce the number who get infected in the US.
Now we’re just trying to slow the spread, to help healthcare providers deal with the demand peak. In other words, the goal of containment is to "flatten the curve", to lower the peak of the surge of demand that will hit healthcare providers. And to buy time, in hopes a drug can be developed.
How many in the community already have the virus? No one knows.
We are moving from containment to care.
We in the US are currently where at where Italy was a week ago. We see nothing to say we will be substantially different.
40-70% of the US population will be infected over the next 12-18 months. After that level you can start to get herd immunity. Unlike flu this is entirely novel to humans, so there is no latent immunity in the global population.
[We used their numbers to work out a guesstimate of deaths— indicating about 1.5 million Americans may die. The panelists did not disagree with our estimate. This compares to seasonal flu’s average of 50K Americans per year. Assume 50% of US population, that’s 160M people infected. With 1% mortality rate that's 1.6M Americans die over the next 12-18 months.]
The fatality rate is in the range of 10X flu.
This assumes no drug is found effective and made available.
The death rate varies hugely by age. Over age 80 the mortality rate could be 10-15%. [See chart by age Signe found online, attached at bottom.]
Don’t know whether COVID-19 is seasonal but if is and subsides over the summer, it is likely to roar back in fall as the 1918 flu did
I can only tell you two things definitively. Definitively it’s going to get worse before it gets better. And we'll be dealing with this for the next year at least. Our lives are going to look different for the next year.

What should we do now? What are you doing for your family?
Appears one can be infectious before being symptomatic. We don’t know how infectious before symptomatic, but know that highest level of virus prevalence coincides with symptoms. We currently think folks are infectious 2 days before through 14 days after onset of symptoms (T-2 to T+14 onset).
How long does the virus last?
On surfaces, best guess is 4-20 hours depending on surface type (maybe a few days) but still no consensus on this
The virus is very susceptible to common anti-bacterial cleaning agents: bleach, hydrogen peroxide, alcohol-based.
Avoid concerts, movies, crowded places.
We have cancelled business travel.
Do the basic hygiene, eg hand washing and avoiding touching face.
Stockpile your critical prescription medications. Many pharma supply chains run through China. Pharma companies usually hold 2-3 months of raw materials, so may run out given the disruption in China’s manufacturing.
Pneumonia shot might be helpful. Not preventative of COVID-19, but reduces your chance of being weakened, which makes COVID-19 more dangerous.
Get a flu shot next fall. Not preventative of COVID-19, but reduces your chance of being weakened, which makes COVID-19 more dangerous.
We would say “Anyone over 60 stay at home unless it’s critical”. CDC toyed with idea of saying anyone over 60 not travel on commercial airlines.
We at UCSF are moving our “at-risk” parents back from nursing homes, etc. to their own homes. Then are not letting them out of the house. The other members of the family are washing hands the moment they come in.
Three routes of infection
Hand to mouth / face
Aerosol transmission
Fecal oral route

What if someone is sick?
If someone gets sick, have them stay home and socially isolate. There is very little you can do at a hospital that you couldn’t do at home. Most cases are mild. But if they are old or have lung or cardio-vascular problems, read on.
If someone gets quite sick who is old (70+) or with lung or cardio-vascular problems, take them to the ER.
There is no accepted treatment for COVID-19. The hospital will give supportive care (eg IV fluids, oxygen) to help you stay alive while your body fights the disease. ie to prevent sepsis.
If someone gets sick who is high risk (eg is both old and has lung/cardio-vascular problems), you can try to get them enrolled for “compassionate use" of Remdesivir, a drug that is in clinical trial at San Francisco General and UCSF, and in China. Need to find a doc there in order to ask to enroll. Remdesivir is an anti-viral from Gilead that showed effectiveness against MERS in primates and is being tried against COVID-19. If the trials succeed it might be available for next winter as production scales up far faster for drugs than for vaccines. [More I found online.]
Why is the fatality rate much higher for older adults?
Your immune system declines past age 50
Fatality rate tracks closely with “co-morbidity”, ie the presence of other conditions that compromise the patient’s hearth, especially respiratory or cardio-vascular illness. These conditions are higher in older adults.
Risk of pneumonia is higher in older adults.

What about testing to know if someone has COVID-19?
Bottom line, there is not enough testing capacity to be broadly useful. Here’s why.
Currently, there is no way to determine what a person has other than a PCR test. No other test can yet distinguish "COVID-19 from flu or from the other dozen respiratory bugs that are circulating”.
A Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) test can detect COVID-19’s RNA. However they still don’t have confidence in the test’s specificity, ie they don’t know the rate of false negatives.
The PCR test requires kits with reagents and requires clinical labs to process the kits.
While the kits are becoming available, the lab capacity is not growing.
The leading clinical lab firms, Quest and Labcore have capacity to process 1000 kits per day. For the nation.
Expanding processing capacity takes “time, space, and equipment.” And certification. ie it won’t happen soon.
UCSF and UCBerkeley have donated their research labs to process kits. But each has capacity to process only 20-40 kits per day. And are not clinically certified.
Novel test methods are on the horizon, but not here now and won’t be at any scale to be useful for the present danger.

How well is society preparing for the impact?
Local hospitals are adding capacity as we speak. UCSF’s Parnassus campus has erected “triage tents” in a parking lot. They have converted a ward to “negative pressure” which is needed to contain the virus. They are considering re-opening the shuttered Mt Zion facility.
If COVID-19 affected children then we would be seeing mass departures of families from cities. But thankfully now we know that kids are not affected.
School closures are one the biggest societal impacts. We need to be thoughtful before we close schools, especially elementary schools because of the knock-on effects. If elementary kids are not in school then some hospital staff can’t come to work, which decreases hospital capacity at a time of surging demand for hospital services.
Public Health systems are prepared to deal with short-term outbreaks that last for weeks, like an outbreak of meningitis. They do not have the capacity to sustain for outbreaks that last for months. Other solutions will have to be found.
What will we do to handle behavior changes that can last for months?
Many employees will need to make accommodations for elderly parents and those with underlying conditions and immune-suppressed.
Kids home due to school closures
[Dr. DeRisi had to leave the meeting for a call with the governor’s office. When he returned we asked what the call covered.] The epidemiological models the state is using to track and trigger action. The state is planning at what point they will take certain actions. ie what will trigger an order to cease any gatherings of over 1000 people.

Where do you find reliable news?
The John Hopkins Center for Health Security site. Which posts daily updates. The site says you can sign up to receive a daily newsletter on COVID-19 by email. [I tried and the page times out due to high demand. After three more tries I was successful in registering for the newsletter.]
The New York Times is good on scientific accuracy.


Observations on China
Unlike during SARS, China’s scientists are publishing openly and accurately on COVID-19.
While China’s early reports on incidence were clearly low, that seems to trace to their data management systems being overwhelmed, not to any bad intent.
Wuhan has 4.3 beds per thousand while US has 2.8 beds per thousand. Wuhan built 2 additional hospitals in 2 weeks. Even so, most patients were sent to gymnasiums to sleep on cots.
Early on no one had info on COVID-19. So China reacted in a way unique modern history, except in wartime.
 Quoting: SierraNevadaHerbage


So a librarian at Stanford can't spell LabCorp or Johns Hopkins correctly?
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They literally said in the 2nd sentence they were on a phone and sorry for the formatting/mistakes.
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Wow they are even saying kids are not being affectedbump
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They are NOT saying that the children do not get the SARS CoV-2 virus. They DO !

They just DON'T seem to get the COVID-19 DISEASE from the virus.

You seriously need to understand the difference here or all your older relatives are at risk from your asymptomatic children!!!!!!
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This isn't the elite culling. This is the Earth restoring the natural order. For too long in the United States, we have kept very unhealthy, very sick people alive artificially.

Nursing homes are full of people ventilated and fed through artificial means. For lack of a better term, gorkers. People who are nothing more than a brain stem that won't be let go by welling meaning, but very misguided, loved ones who think, "grandpa will get better" or "nana smiled at me."

Fools who believe because they see finger twitching or the person lets out some terrible, guttural wail when they're spoken to, that is somehow life.

Millions of dollars spent on people 80-90 years old to prolong their lives for a year or two. And those lives are often miserable. Not some spry 85 years old still playing golf or partaking in hobbies. But people who are just biological shells or who have so many ailments life isn't enjoyable.

This is nature slapping a racist of narcissists square in the chops.
 Quoting: Deadpool's Lil Helper


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Agree.
I’ve been wondering when Mother Nature was going to fight back.


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GLP