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Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals

 
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03/19/2020 05:19 PM
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Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
Lots word going around that there are mass layoffs happening all throughout Canada.

Businesses shutting down and closing doors.

The Prime Minister Justin Trudeau stated yesterday in a press conference that the government is working with banks to assist citizens and that banks are now going to be doing mortgage payment deferrals.



The wife and I are self-employed. All of our clients have closed their doors and laid-off all of their staff. We'll have no income coming in very soon. Making mortgage payments impossible soon.

We called our bank (mortgage lender) and told them of the situation and that the news announcement from the Prime Minister stated that banks are offering payment deferrals. We asked them to defer.

They denied. Once again, government lied.



So now we have to go to the bank and empty out the accounts and hold the cash in order to pay for food and supplies should we run out.
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
Yep, all part of the plan. Charge people money when they themselves are doing NOTHING.
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03/19/2020 05:23 PM
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Yep, all part of the plan. Charge people money when they themselves are doing NOTHING.
 Quoting: Cebeij


All it will do is cause a run on the banks.

Most mortgages and loans are auto-payments, and cant be stopped manually by the end users.

So the only way to stop them is to empty your account completely.
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03/19/2020 05:32 PM
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
Markets going up are also a farce. Everything is shutting down.

90% of the city I live in is closed, its like a ghost town out there.
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03/19/2020 05:46 PM
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
So the lousy banks are gonna do what exactly?
Kick everyone out?
The easy fix on this is to storm the banks headquarters rip apart the computers and servers, beat the shit out of the leaders and torch the place.
Many have said this will happen if the banks try to play hardball in this environment.
I’m not the only one.
It will be the end of that organization.
Not my words, this is from many, many people.
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03/19/2020 05:52 PM
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
Lots word going around that there are mass layoffs happening all throughout Canada.

Businesses shutting down and closing doors.

The Prime Minister Justin Trudeau stated yesterday in a press conference that the government is working with banks to assist citizens and that banks are now going to be doing mortgage payment deferrals.



The wife and I are self-employed. All of our clients have closed their doors and laid-off all of their staff. We'll have no income coming in very soon. Making mortgage payments impossible soon.

We called our bank (mortgage lender) and told them of the situation and that the news announcement from the Prime Minister stated that banks are offering payment deferrals. We asked them to defer.

They denied. Once again, government lied.



So now we have to go to the bank and empty out the accounts and hold the cash in order to pay for food and supplies should we run out.
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Bump for DOOM!

It's coming folks!
Anonymous Coward
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03/19/2020 05:53 PM
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
What bank?

WHY were you denied, was it the self employment?
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03/19/2020 05:54 PM
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
Come on. "Lots of word"?!

I work with a woman who just bought a house. Her bank is allowing delayed mortgage payments. She was notified of this on Monday.
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03/19/2020 05:55 PM
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Is Trudeau doing ok?
This is a lot of responsibility to assume.
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
What bank?

WHY were you denied, was it the self employment?
 Quoting: Steamer


CIBC.

They stated the issues surrounding COVID-19 will be short lived and the expectations are that businesses that have closed down will reopen again in the beginning of April and there will return to normal operations. Therefore they dont expect a impact on the ability to pay.


I personally say its bullshit. Our clients themselves say they dont have any idea when they'll open again and return to normal operations. Most have no inventory or supplies and dont know when those resources will be back and full.


The banks have begun shutting down customer service lines dealing with mortgages as well.
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
So the lousy banks are gonna do what exactly?
Kick everyone out?
The easy fix on this is to storm the banks headquarters rip apart the computers and servers, beat the shit out of the leaders and torch the place.
Many have said this will happen if the banks try to play hardball in this environment.
I’m not the only one.
It will be the end of that organization.
Not my words, this is from many, many people.
 Quoting: Teslahowitzer 73769818


I dont know.

I dont know what their logic is behind it.

Maybe use it as excuse to the government that they need a bailout? I dunno.
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03/19/2020 06:48 PM
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
Come on. "Lots of word"?!

I work with a woman who just bought a house. Her bank is allowing delayed mortgage payments. She was notified of this on Monday.
 Quoting: Anonymous Girl


Probably on new mortgages only.
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03/19/2020 06:54 PM
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
Collection Agencies cannot legally operate during an officially declared state of emergency, especially during a pandemic.
They can be charged for acts of terrorism and harrassment against mentally stressed persons and individuals. If suicide is caused by a caller for a third party debt, the phone operator who initiated the call can be charged with manslaughter.
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03/19/2020 07:49 PM
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
What bank?

WHY were you denied, was it the self employment?
 Quoting: Steamer


CIBC.

They stated the issues surrounding COVID-19 will be short lived and the expectations are that businesses that have closed down will reopen again in the beginning of April and there will return to normal operations. Therefore they dont expect a impact on the ability to pay.


I personally say its bullshit. Our clients themselves say they dont have any idea when they'll open again and return to normal operations. Most have no inventory or supplies and dont know when those resources will be back and full.


The banks have begun shutting down customer service lines dealing with mortgages as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75993659


I have been trying to get through to BMO for two days now.
“Circuits busy”
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03/19/2020 08:01 PM
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Collection Agencies cannot legally operate/quote]

Without a court judgment against you and court is mostly suspended in some parts--rest of your statement, got any factual proof?
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03/19/2020 09:30 PM
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
Markets going up are also a farce. Everything is shutting down.

90% of the city I live in is closed, its like a ghost town out there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75993659


So Moose Hills lost it's parking space and RV dump station?
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
... only way to stop them is to empty your account completely.
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Businesses already starting to go cashless in Vancouver. Saw the first sign today. "No cash payments accepted." God bless.
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03/19/2020 10:05 PM
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
... only way to stop them is to empty your account completely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75993659

Businesses already starting to go cashless in Vancouver. Saw the first sign today. "No cash payments accepted." God bless.
 Quoting: XJDUB


I'm tempted to do the same thing with my business. I hate depositing cash into the the bank machines. With this new crisis, if something goes wrong, can I count on a quick resolution ? - NO! I'm very fearful they will soon close the banks and force us to use the bank machines only. So what am I supposed to do if they do that. I have to pay bills electronically. I have a fistful of cash I can't deposit. Now what?
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03/19/2020 10:39 PM
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
... only way to stop them is to empty your account completely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75993659

Businesses already starting to go cashless in Vancouver. Saw the first sign today. "No cash payments accepted." God bless.
 Quoting: XJDUB


I'm tempted to do the same thing with my business. I hate depositing cash into the the bank machines. With this new crisis, if something goes wrong, can I count on a quick resolution ? - NO! I'm very fearful they will soon close the banks and force us to use the bank machines only. So what am I supposed to do if they do that. I have to pay bills electronically. I have a fistful of cash I can't deposit. Now what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78274705


When the computers go down you can keep accounts on a notched stick.

What if you want to bribe your way out of a flu shot, do you think the medic is going to whip out a point of sale machine?
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03/19/2020 11:38 PM
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
What bank?

WHY were you denied, was it the self employment?
 Quoting: Steamer


CIBC.

They stated the issues surrounding COVID-19 will be short lived and the expectations are that businesses that have closed down will reopen again in the beginning of April and there will return to normal operations. Therefore they dont expect a impact on the ability to pay.


I personally say its bullshit. Our clients themselves say they dont have any idea when they'll open again and return to normal operations. Most have no inventory or supplies and dont know when those resources will be back and full.


The banks have begun shutting down customer service lines dealing with mortgages as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75993659


I have been trying to get through to BMO for two days now.
“Circuits busy”

 Quoting: Steamer


Family and friends saying they've been waiting hours trying to get through and then the system hangs up on them.
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03/19/2020 11:51 PM
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Is Trudeau doing ok?
This is a lot of responsibility to assume.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73674165


No, he’s a bigger embarrassment than ever.
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03/19/2020 11:52 PM
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Wow
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The Quinine based malaria drug that was curing people was used in NYC hospitals and the one who recovered from death row, was called Lazareth but none died and it helped those in late stages and doing very bad, and those less sick at home.


So, TIME TO ROLL OUT THE MEDS AND CURES.

No crashing required. Just test test test and treat treat and more treat.
The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist.
The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist.
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03/20/2020 10:39 AM
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
The Quinine based malaria drug that was curing people was used in NYC hospitals and the one who recovered from death row, was called Lazareth but none died and it helped those in late stages and doing very bad, and those less sick at home.


So, TIME TO ROLL OUT THE MEDS AND CURES.

No crashing required. Just test test test and treat treat and more treat.
 Quoting: Sungaze_At_Dawn


Those quinine meds cause really bad side effects. Seizures (for life), psychosis, and can cause blindness, deafness, and kidney damage.

Whats the point of getting better over COVID-19 if you're stuck with those miserable things the rest of your life. Totally not worth the risk.
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03/21/2020 03:56 PM
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
I am hearing of people successful in getting mortgages and loans deferred.
Banks super easy to deal with.
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03/21/2020 04:06 PM
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
Our mortgage is with BMO- we haven’t called yet and got laid off. The pay from EI won’t cover the mortgage and bills.


Who has a bank in Canada that accepted deferrals?

What is considered a new mortgage?

Is it only for older mortgages? Or people that put 20% down?

We got our house two years ago and bypassed CMHC. Would we qualify??
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
if the banks start deferring mortgage payments because of a flu
that will hugely contradict reasons why they would never defer mortgage payments before.

I had a friend who was in a bad truck accident in 2008. dude was mangled up pretty bad and put in a wheel chair.
Bank wouldnt let him defer his mortgage. he lost his house.

now they will start deferring for millions of people because of a flu going around?

yeah right,, this isnt gonna fly
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03/21/2020 04:17 PM
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if the banks start doing this im gonna go see my friend right now & get him a lawyer & sue his bank that took his house after his accident.
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
Lots word going around that there are mass layoffs happening all throughout Canada.

Businesses shutting down and closing doors.

The Prime Minister Justin Trudeau stated yesterday in a press conference that the government is working with banks to assist citizens and that banks are now going to be doing mortgage payment deferrals.



The wife and I are self-employed. All of our clients have closed their doors and laid-off all of their staff. We'll have no income coming in very soon. Making mortgage payments impossible soon.

We called our bank (mortgage lender) and told them of the situation and that the news announcement from the Prime Minister stated that banks are offering payment deferrals. We asked them to defer.

They denied. Once again, government lied.



So now we have to go to the bank and empty out the accounts and hold the cash in order to pay for food and supplies should we run out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75993659


The banks can refuse deferral all they want. When I don't send in the payment go right ahead and start the foreclose process.
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03/21/2020 06:32 PM
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Send your requests directly to the Queen.
She OWNS Canada
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Re: Mass lay offs in Canada, businesses shutting down, no incomes coming in. Banks refusing mortgage payment deferrals
What bank?

WHY were you denied, was it the self employment?
 Quoting: Steamer


CIBC.

They stated the issues surrounding COVID-19 will be short lived and the expectations are that businesses that have closed down will reopen again in the beginning of April and there will return to normal operations. Therefore they dont expect a impact on the ability to pay.


I personally say its bullshit. Our clients themselves say they dont have any idea when they'll open again and return to normal operations. Most have no inventory or supplies and dont know when those resources will be back and full.


The banks have begun shutting down customer service lines dealing with mortgages as well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75993659


CIBC doesn't erase paid off mortgages on their balance sheet to inflate their assets. They are in a lot of trouble.
Repo and collection Agencies cannot operate during a state of emergency if declared by a provincial or state government.
If they call you ask for their name and address
and notify your local police and or RCMP.
Nobody has any love for these banks. And everyone would pay if they could but the system is predatory and destined to collapse.





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