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3M is screwing the US -- their Distributors are only selling to foreign countries

 
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3M is screwing the US -- their Distributors are only selling to foreign countries
So what the hell? 3M is not selling to the US. Jared Moskowitz is on Tucker Carlson telling how 3M won't sell to the US.



Apparently he has mentioned this on his twitter. Going to look for a link now.

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Hello again. Director of @FLSERT here. I have money, you have masks yet you won’t sell them to me. Stop selling to foreign governments.


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Moskowitz said distributors have told him that Florida’s orders keep getting snapped up by cash-paying customers.

“They continue to get pushed down,” he said, “and when I ask why does that happen, they say because folks are coming in with cash. I say, ‘What do you mean folks are coming in with cash?’ They say, ‘A lot of these factories are in other countries and those other countries are not democracies.’ ”


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So this is why President Trump said what he did about 3M in today's press conference:

Additionally, the president said he signed “an element of the [DPA] against 3M.” That order authorizes the head of FEMA to acquire however many N95 face masks from the company he deems necessary for the crisis. And the administration indicated Thursday that more DPA orders could come soon, possibly related to black market activities.

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close.
3M supplies distributors who mark them up a ton and then the distributors sell to foreigners.
3M knows about it though and obviously condones it which is just as fucked up.
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From today's press briefing:

"We just signed a(n) element of the act against 3M," President Trump said in his daily coronavirus news conference on Thursday afternoon. "Hopefully they will be able to do what they are supposed to do."

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Well, now the govt takes all of 3M's 10mil per week masks.
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close.
3M supplies distributors who mark them up a ton and then the distributors sell to foreigners.
3M knows about it though and obviously condones it which is just as fucked up.
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Yes, I suppose I should change the title of the thread, but obviously 3M is condoning it by doing nothing to stop it.
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Well, now the govt takes all of 3M's 10mil per week masks.
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Trump will negotiate it for cost. Yuge
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Confiscate the entire plant and FORCE them to produce.


What fucking parallel universe is this?? Where and how is it possible that Western nations can't even fucking produce fucking paper masks and filters?


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Well, now the govt takes all of 3M's 10mil per week masks.
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Trump will negotiate it for cost. Yuge
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I hate he had to use the DPA but damnit this is ridiculous. These companies have raped the US for years and now won't even sell to us during a pandemic.
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Thank God for Tucker.
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Confiscate the entire plant and FORCE them to produce.


What fucking parallel universe is this?? Where and how is it possible that Western nations can't even fucking produce fucking paper masks and filters?


FUCK ME FUCKING SIDEWAYS!
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Confiscate the entire plant and FORCE them to produce.


What fucking parallel universe is this?? Where and how is it possible that Western nations can't even fucking produce fucking paper masks and filters?


FUCK ME FUCKING SIDEWAYS!
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Confiscate the entire plant and FORCE them to produce.


What fucking parallel universe is this?? Where and how is it possible that Western nations can't even fucking produce fucking paper masks and filters?


FUCK ME FUCKING SIDEWAYS!
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THis. Sold out by out politicians and Presidents for the last 40-50 years.
This virus COULD provide the opportunity and catalyst to get back to American production of everything and away from the dirty feet of cheap foreign goods.
Made In USA. We need this to be an outcome of this virus.
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Thank God for Tucker.
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After Trump's PUBLIC tirade against GM and now 3M why would any other American Company even try to assist the US government if they aren't ORDERED to?

Normally takes 6 months to engineer a product? Well the TRUMP ORDERED company can do it in 3 months, which sounds great except for example GM was able to compress that down to less than 2 weeks when they were NOT being ORDERED to do it.

Now I imagine in the future any other company would drag out on the timeline anything they were ORDERED to do ... and NEVER VOLUNTEER to do anything outside of their own product line EVER again because they would become the focal point for ANOTHER TRUMP TIRADE!

Trump is sinking his own cause via his PUBLIC TIRADES.
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Confiscate the entire plant and FORCE them to produce.


What fucking parallel universe is this?? Where and how is it possible that Western nations can't even fucking produce fucking paper masks and filters?


FUCK ME FUCKING SIDEWAYS!
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THis. Sold out by out politicians and Presidents for the last 40-50 years.
This virus COULD provide the opportunity and catalyst to get back to American production of everything and away from the dirty feet of cheap foreign goods.
Made In USA. We need this to be an outcome of this virus.
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Absolutely!
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I just saw this on Tucker...I have a feeling Trump is on the phone with 3M right fucking now!

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After Trump's PUBLIC tirade against GM and now 3M why would any other American Company even try to assist the US government if they aren't ORDERED to?

Normally takes 6 months to engineer a product? Well the TRUMP ORDERED company can do it in 3 months, which sounds great except for example GM was able to compress that down to less than 2 weeks when they were NOT being ORDERED to do it.

Now I imagine in the future any other company would drag out on the timeline anything they were ORDERED to do ... and NEVER VOLUNTEER to do anything outside of their own product line EVER again because they would become the focal point for ANOTHER TRUMP TIRADE!

Trump is sinking his own cause via his PUBLIC TIRADES.
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No. Shaming them publicly hurts them and they know it. It'll work.
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Who owns 3M?
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After Trump's PUBLIC tirade against GM and now 3M why would any other American Company even try to assist the US government if they aren't ORDERED to?

Normally takes 6 months to engineer a product? Well the TRUMP ORDERED company can do it in 3 months, which sounds great except for example GM was able to compress that down to less than 2 weeks when they were NOT being ORDERED to do it.

Now I imagine in the future any other company would drag out on the timeline anything they were ORDERED to do ... and NEVER VOLUNTEER to do anything outside of their own product line EVER again because they would become the focal point for ANOTHER TRUMP TIRADE!

Trump is sinking his own cause via his PUBLIC TIRADES.
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I have no comment on GM other than to say the American taxpayer involuntarily bailed them out in the last crisis.

3M on the other hand apparently deserves much worse than they have gotten so far.

Their corporate headquarters are in the US, but their factories and/or warehouses must be in other countries. From what the gentleman from Florida said other countries are showing up with cash at the warehouses and buying the masks that have already been promised to the US.
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Who owns 3M?
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CEO is Mike Roman. Corporate headquarters are in Minnesota. As to who owns them, I don't know. I'm sure they are a publicly traded company, right?
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Confiscate the entire plant and FORCE them to produce.


What fucking parallel universe is this?? Where and how is it possible that Western nations can't even fucking produce fucking paper masks and filters?


FUCK ME FUCKING SIDEWAYS!
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You have obviously NEVER worked in manufacturing, particularly a high technology automated manufacturing plant.

ONE machine repairman can easily idle 10% to 20% of a plant's output with a slow or incomplete repair, and those doing the ORDERING will be clueless about it. (those automated machines DO need repairs all the time ... which is why the machine repair guys are in the plant 24/7/365)

and btw ... you can NOT force a machine to make more product than it is capable of producing, I don't care how many guns you use or how often you threaten it with jail. (the 3M plant is running 24/7, except for repair downtime, I don't know how you make it run faster than that)
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After Trump's PUBLIC tirade against GM and now 3M why would any other American Company even try to assist the US government if they aren't ORDERED to?

Normally takes 6 months to engineer a product? Well the TRUMP ORDERED company can do it in 3 months, which sounds great except for example GM was able to compress that down to less than 2 weeks when they were NOT being ORDERED to do it.

Now I imagine in the future any other company would drag out on the timeline anything they were ORDERED to do ... and NEVER VOLUNTEER to do anything outside of their own product line EVER again because they would become the focal point for ANOTHER TRUMP TIRADE!

Trump is sinking his own cause via his PUBLIC TIRADES.
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No. Shaming them publicly hurts them and they know it. It'll work.
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GOOD reason for NO other manufacturer to volunteer to produce a product that it has NEVER produced before and has no experience producing.

Trying to to that will just result in a Trump TIRADE against them and all the public hatred that goes along with it.


Better for any other company to just keep it's head down and avoid trying to help unless ORDERED to.
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After Trump's PUBLIC tirade against GM and now 3M why would any other American Company even try to assist the US government if they aren't ORDERED to?

Normally takes 6 months to engineer a product? Well the TRUMP ORDERED company can do it in 3 months, which sounds great except for example GM was able to compress that down to less than 2 weeks when they were NOT being ORDERED to do it.

Now I imagine in the future any other company would drag out on the timeline anything they were ORDERED to do ... and NEVER VOLUNTEER to do anything outside of their own product line EVER again because they would become the focal point for ANOTHER TRUMP TIRADE!

Trump is sinking his own cause via his PUBLIC TIRADES.
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No. Shaming them publicly hurts them and they know it. It'll work.
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GOOD reason for NO other manufacturer to volunteer to produce a product that it has NEVER produced before and has no experience producing.

Trying to to that will just result in a Trump TIRADE against them and all the public hatred that goes along with it.


Better for any other company to just keep it's head down and avoid trying to help unless ORDERED to.
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What , are you a major shareholder of 3M?
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Here's one example of what's going on with 3M distributors:

Although the 1860 N95 masks should cost $1.27 each, according to a price list 3M issued yesterday, the Canadian dealer was charging more than $7 per mask. But the jacked-up price isn’t what killed the deal. Even the major hospital chains were desperate enough to spend the money. Instead, the group’s purchase began to fall apart when the dealer said that the Canadian military had seized 10 million of the masks and then insisted that the group not only commit to buying the remaining 20 million masks but also to five additional monthly purchases of 20 million masks, totaling $140 million.

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list of products...many common. Filtrete, Scotch, Common..

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Here's the segment from Tucker's show:

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You should probably look who is behind 3m how they began....mining and their history.
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You should probably look who is behind 3m how they began....mining and their history.





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