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Thousands of Chinese troops have entered India. All out combat feared.

 
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#China de-escalating over #Ladakh border standoff after #India refuses to back down

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Couldn't believe, one day i heard on TV news that China is an ally with Pakistan, yoooooo dudes are you serious, Chicoms have concentration camps for Muslims in their country but somehow they're best friends of Pakistan just to counter the Indians, enemy of my enemy, wtf burnit
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Fist and rock fights? WTF? So...put the guns down and duke it out?

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Where's the video of that? Didn't see it..
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Population and military might - china is sixty times the threat Iraq was.

China will kill quarter of a million of US troops (at least) to Iraq's 4484.

Shouldnt have fucked with president Saddam. He destroyed trillions of US money and military hardware and exposed the US military as a paper tiger. Since that quagmire of a debacle the US then concentrated on street anti insurgency (USSR threat nullified). Now they are faced with a real war and a worthy opponent.

ddddddsasasa
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How does kicking the shit out of Saddam in record time show the US as a paper tiger? Bet he wasn't thinking that when we killed his sons and pulled his cowering ass out of a hole in the desert.
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China is acting just like Japan before WW2. Now Russia getting in on the action.
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Completely agree.

Look at the moves China is making all over, for the last several years.

IMHO, the Covid-19 pandemic was a deliberate action not unlike what military forces do just before invasion using artillery and air power.

They were prepping the global battlefield, attempting to limit force capability of their potential foes by killing off or severely impacting the population through illness. Tack on the economic issues that went along with Covid-19 shutting down entire western economies as they fought to stay off the effects of the pandemic on their people.

Look at their actions in the China Sea and Hong Kong, Tibet and India.

Their open talk of preparing for war.

This isn't the China one might expect. It doesn't appear to be the China of Sun Tzu.

This is a China bent on imperialism and conquest, drunk with a lust for power, much like Japan before the attack on Pearl Harbor.
 Quoting: An Average American Patriot


Yes, they seem to be pushing a lot of buttons to see how far they can push. On the other hand, they are acting like they are being treated unfairly by others. Kind of a two-headed snake going on there.
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Population and military might - china is sixty times the threat Iraq was.

China will kill quarter of a million of US troops (at least) to Iraq's 4484.

Shouldnt have fucked with president Saddam. He destroyed trillions of US money and military hardware and exposed the US military as a paper tiger. Since that quagmire of a debacle the US then concentrated on street anti insurgency (USSR threat nullified). Now they are faced with a real war and a worthy opponent.

ddddddsasasa
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How does kicking the shit out of Saddam in record time show the US as a paper tiger? Bet he wasn't thinking that when we killed his sons and pulled his cowering ass out of a hole in the desert.
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Record time? Remember it was supposed to cost 70 billion and be done in 3 months. It took them 8 years to win some sort of peace and as i said wore down the US army.

Do you think it was supposed to all come to this? Iraq was the morsel that America choked on. 8 Trillion dollars to achieve being the laughing stock of the planet.

Imagine how well the economy would have been and how well equipped the army would be, whilst still glorying under the Hollywood hype of how superb they are. Remember what destroyed the USSR? The years long quagmire of Afghanistan. That cost them $50 billion...not 8 Trillion.

Still, it was a nice gift to Israel. Shalom.

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China is acting just like Japan before WW2. Now Russia getting in on the action.
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When you evaluate all the back-room maneuvering going on in the first half of the 20th century using terms and perspectives that we now enjoy thanks to sites such as GLP, it's easier to see that China's government suckered Japan into war before WW2 using false flag ops. They were then too deep on the "wrong side". Look at where Japan was in WWI.

The Chinese have a long history of manipulation and deceit.
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The question here is this, I read on an Indian publication recently that at that altitude the jets would be limited to a one hour operation time.

Why is this? I know high altitudes are hell on helicopters.

So is there anyone knowledgeable on aviation that could explain how operating at 14,000 feet limits aircraft? And how would helicopters operate at this altitude?

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The only way that isn't nonsense is if the fixed wing craft involved are based so far away that their operational time over the combat zone is limited due to time in transit. Virtually any combat fixed wing will have an operational altitude far in excess of 14,000 feet though takeoffs could conceivably be somewhat more dicey on shorter than standard strips.
As to rotor craft, the problem would most likely be a lowered maximum lift capacity at peak operating altitudes which could render them less than optimally effective.
 Quoting: Shiva ascendant


Thanks. Yeah I kind of suspected that was Indian propaganda and that 14,000 feet was no problem for most any modern fighter jet.
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"Go India"

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Chinese are lashing out over the worlds scorning them over the virus which has destroyed lives all over the world. A Biologist studying the virus said it was the most perfect virus as if man made. So who else might think the Chinese had something sinister all along?

They are stirring up trouble all over the world with many countries not just India. Signs something is amiss in the Chinese government.

India and China both have nukes bare that in mind.
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"Go India"

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hesright
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Xi is attempting to unite China behind him after the Covid-19 debacle.


When you're losing grip take the country to war.


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bump
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This could be the ultimate population reduction. A billion here, a billion there, 100 million here, 100 million there.

I don't mean that to be flippant, but if it went "hot" that could literally reduce the global population by 1/3 or more.

China
India
Pakistan
Indonesia
Vietnam
Thailand
Cambodia
Bangladesh
Malaysia
Myanmar
Laos
HWR
The US is a One Party State controlled by a small cadre of Financiers
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Calm your tits, morons.

Not a single Chinese troop has entered India.

There has been no real combat between the two since 1967, but plenty of skirmishes at the Line of actual control or border due to the China's habit of showing off its military muscle.

[link to twitter.com (secure)]

"Let me state this emphatically: THERE ARE NO CHINESE TROOPS ON INDIAN SOIL. There was a small ingress of 40-60 troops that was forced back on 22nd May. Nothing in Pangong nothing in Galwan. We have images but do not yet have permission to print."

"there are about a dozen pieces of field artillery and tanks 3-5 kilometres from the LAC within Chinese territory and 4-5 Sukhois at China’s Ngari airbase 200 kms away. There’s nothing we can do about that because it’s within their side of the LAC"

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No one is taking a victory lap but the fact is India matched the build up and refused to back down. Also remember the conciliatory statements today have come from Beijing -

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A China vs India ground war would be the next world war as China Owns the UN, and Trump would obviously stand with India.

Makes ya go Hmmmmm.
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China is NWO role model.
Of course, they are to rule the world.
With Dems in the WH, no problem.
Communism rules...


Maybe Africa will also get involved, as many Chinese factories are there...

and then there would be several B people involved, that are supposed to die...
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Nothing.2 nuclear powers.

I say more biowarfare....untraceable.Doesnt break things.
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alone
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This is going to be a stink war. China vs India , HongKong, Japan ,Taiwan, Singapore and South Korea
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Population and military might - china is sixty times the threat Iraq was.

China will kill quarter of a million of US troops (at least) to Iraq's 4484.

Shouldnt have fucked with president Saddam. He destroyed trillions of US money and military hardware and exposed the US military as a paper tiger. Since that quagmire of a debacle the US then concentrated on street anti insurgency (USSR threat nullified). Now they are faced with a real war and a worthy opponent.

:ddddddsasasa:
 Quoting: The Lathe Of Heaven


How does kicking the shit out of Saddam in record time show the US as a paper tiger? Bet he wasn't thinking that when we killed his sons and pulled his cowering ass out of a hole in the desert.
 Quoting: The Deplorable MnB15


We MADE Saddam, and sold him the very weapons we went in to take from him ( even though we didn’t “find” them). They paid off the “Elite Republican ( hmm) Guard” with skids of cash and they disappeared by the time we got there ( again). Cakewalk, America Fuck yeah.

Oh but it was a goddam lie when Obama did the same with Bin laden.
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Population and military might - china is sixty times the threat Iraq was.

China will kill quarter of a million of US troops (at least) to Iraq's 4484.

Shouldnt have fucked with president Saddam. He destroyed trillions of US money and military hardware and exposed the US military as a paper tiger. Since that quagmire of a debacle the US then concentrated on street anti insurgency (USSR threat nullified). Now they are faced with a real war and a worthy opponent.

ddddddsasasa
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How does kicking the shit out of Saddam in record time show the US as a paper tiger? Bet he wasn't thinking that when we killed his sons and pulled his cowering ass out of a hole in the desert.
 Quoting: The Deplorable MnB15


We MADE Saddam, and sold him the very weapons we went in to take from him ( even though we didn’t “find” them). They paid off the “Elite Republican ( hmm) Guard” with skids of cash and they disappeared by the time we got there ( again). Cakewalk, America Fuck yeah.

Oh but it was a goddam lie when Obama did the same with Bin laden.
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Typed like a true keyboard warrior. Hey shit stain we (1st Armored Division) went THROUGH 4 REPUBLICAN GUARD ARMORED DIVISIONS in 4 days. we destroyed over 1,100 tanks and armored vehicles. My unit alone captured 8,000 Iraqi Republican Guards soldiers. I don't recall seeing or hearing you any where while I was in Iraq. If you weren't in the front taking the brunt or in the rear with the gear then shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about.
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what is it about commies and their outright disrespect for borders around the world?

they want to take over?
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fistfights and stone-pelting?

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fistfights and stone-pelting?

cruise
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yep, that should come after nukes
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I'll be cheering for India

China is a totalitarian, iron fisted, liberty hating monster that must be destroyed
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Without doubt...(I hate Chineese junk!)
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Interesting, what happens when two biggest nations go to battle with each other?

Who gone make the iPhones, the clothes, India and chyna make everyting
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Find out we actually don’t need that junk.
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Population and military might - china is sixty times the threat Iraq was.

China will kill quarter of a million of US troops (at least) to Iraq's 4484.

Shouldnt have fucked with president Saddam. He destroyed trillions of US money and military hardware and exposed the US military as a paper tiger. Since that quagmire of a debacle the US then concentrated on street anti insurgency (USSR threat nullified). Now they are faced with a real war and a worthy opponent.

ddddddsasasa
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How does kicking the shit out of Saddam in record time show the US as a paper tiger? Bet he wasn't thinking that when we killed his sons and pulled his cowering ass out of a hole in the desert.
 Quoting: The Deplorable MnB15


We MADE Saddam, and sold him the very weapons we went in to take from him ( even though we didn’t “find” them). They paid off the “Elite Republican ( hmm) Guard” with skids of cash and they disappeared by the time we got there ( again). Cakewalk, America Fuck yeah.

Oh but it was a goddam lie when Obama did the same with Bin laden.
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Typed like a true keyboard warrior. Hey shit stain we (1st Armored Division) went THROUGH 4 REPUBLICAN GUARD ARMORED DIVISIONS in 4 days. we destroyed over 1,100 tanks and armored vehicles. My unit alone captured 8,000 Iraqi Republican Guards soldiers. I don't recall seeing or hearing you any where while I was in Iraq. If you weren't in the front taking the brunt or in the rear with the gear then shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about.
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Here are the reasons why. Maybe you could correct any of the following?


Ryan Parkinson, Tanker, Tank Commander, Abrams Master Gunner, Combat Vet
Updated November 21, 2017

Lots of reasons:

Significantly less armor (barely 500 mm RHAe on the heaviest armored T-72 versus well over 750 on the thinnest armored Abrams).

Less capable sights. T-72 could barely see/kill out to 2500 meters. And couldn’t see at all at night. Abrams can see/kill out to 5000 meters and was just as effective at night as daytime. Invasion and most combat was at night: 100% advantage Abrams.

Less powerful and WAY less accurate gun. 2A46 T-72 gun could barely reach out to 2500 meters on T-72 and could barely penetrate 250–300 mm of RHAe with a sabot round at 2000 meters. ATGM rounds could penetrate more (up to 750–800 mm of RHAe but only out to 2500 meters). First round hit probability by T-72: less than 40%. Abrams tanks can “see” and generate a ballistic solution out to AT LEAST 5000 meters. M256 Rheinmetall Abrams gun could penetrate between 500–600 mm RHAe at 2000 meters and had a first round hit probability over 90%.
Autoloader on T-72 could barely load 6 rounds per minute if all conditions were perfect (1 round every 10 seconds). Barely adequate Abrams crew can load one round every 7 seconds. That is three seconds faster for the slowest Abrams crew than is even possible for the best T-72 crew…and that ignores a GOOD or GREAT Abrams loaders who can load at 3–5 seconds…up to 20 rounds per minute theoretically.

MUCH Less well trained crews on Iraqi T-72s versus Abrams.

Better training all around, better officers, better NCOs, better soldiers for US military.

More discipline by US soldiers.

Better planning, better execution of plans by US troops.
MUCH better support, logistics, and repair capabilities supporting front line troops in US military.
And numerous other reasons, but those are the “major” factors.

Not to mention satelites and arial recon.

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The question here is this, I read on an Indian publication recently that at that altitude the jets would be limited to a one hour operation time.

Why is this? I know high altitudes are hell on helicopters.

So is there anyone knowledgeable on aviation that could explain how operating at 14,000 feet limits aircraft? And how would helicopters operate at this altitude?

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The only way that isn't nonsense is if the fixed wing craft involved are based so far away that their operational time over the combat zone is limited due to time in transit. Virtually any combat fixed wing will have an operational altitude far in excess of 14,000 feet though takeoffs could conceivably be somewhat more dicey on shorter than standard strips.
As to rotor craft, the problem would most likely be a lowered maximum lift capacity at peak operating altitudes which could render them less than optimally effective.
 Quoting: Shiva ascendant


Low air density and heat at high elevation reduces the lift, even piston planes have troubles in such conditions. Yes a jet engine can operate and restart engine to 30,000ft, but requires higher take off speed for same weight in thin air, so needs longer runways and the engine turbines needs to spin faster to compress same about of air to provide thrust and O2 for combustion.
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Oh oh.
Hope they don't take it over to Afghanistan or someone's gonna lose a shoe.
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They should fight it out with just using kung fu fists.





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