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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78960721 United States 05/28/2020 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | @TanielShant #China de-escalating over #Ladakh border standoff after #India refuses to back down [link to swarajyamag.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78889305 United States 05/28/2020 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Couldn't believe, one day i heard on TV news that China is an ally with Pakistan, yoooooo dudes are you serious, Chicoms have concentration camps for Muslims in their country but somehow they're best friends of Pakistan just to counter the Indians, enemy of my enemy, wtf |
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User ID: 58787380 United States 05/28/2020 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Population and military might - china is sixty times the threat Iraq was. Quoting: The Lathe Of Heaven China will kill quarter of a million of US troops (at least) to Iraq's 4484. Shouldnt have fucked with president Saddam. He destroyed trillions of US money and military hardware and exposed the US military as a paper tiger. Since that quagmire of a debacle the US then concentrated on street anti insurgency (USSR threat nullified). Now they are faced with a real war and a worthy opponent. How does kicking the shit out of Saddam in record time show the US as a paper tiger? Bet he wasn't thinking that when we killed his sons and pulled his cowering ass out of a hole in the desert. MnB15 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78445863 United States 05/28/2020 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | China is acting just like Japan before WW2. Now Russia getting in on the action. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75539787 Completely agree. Look at the moves China is making all over, for the last several years. IMHO, the Covid-19 pandemic was a deliberate action not unlike what military forces do just before invasion using artillery and air power. They were prepping the global battlefield, attempting to limit force capability of their potential foes by killing off or severely impacting the population through illness. Tack on the economic issues that went along with Covid-19 shutting down entire western economies as they fought to stay off the effects of the pandemic on their people. Look at their actions in the China Sea and Hong Kong, Tibet and India. Their open talk of preparing for war. This isn't the China one might expect. It doesn't appear to be the China of Sun Tzu. This is a China bent on imperialism and conquest, drunk with a lust for power, much like Japan before the attack on Pearl Harbor. Yes, they seem to be pushing a lot of buttons to see how far they can push. On the other hand, they are acting like they are being treated unfairly by others. Kind of a two-headed snake going on there. |
The Lathe Of Heaven
User ID: 77515983 United Kingdom 05/28/2020 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Population and military might - china is sixty times the threat Iraq was. Quoting: The Lathe Of Heaven China will kill quarter of a million of US troops (at least) to Iraq's 4484. Shouldnt have fucked with president Saddam. He destroyed trillions of US money and military hardware and exposed the US military as a paper tiger. Since that quagmire of a debacle the US then concentrated on street anti insurgency (USSR threat nullified). Now they are faced with a real war and a worthy opponent. How does kicking the shit out of Saddam in record time show the US as a paper tiger? Bet he wasn't thinking that when we killed his sons and pulled his cowering ass out of a hole in the desert. Record time? Remember it was supposed to cost 70 billion and be done in 3 months. It took them 8 years to win some sort of peace and as i said wore down the US army. Do you think it was supposed to all come to this? Iraq was the morsel that America choked on. 8 Trillion dollars to achieve being the laughing stock of the planet. Imagine how well the economy would have been and how well equipped the army would be, whilst still glorying under the Hollywood hype of how superb they are. Remember what destroyed the USSR? The years long quagmire of Afghanistan. That cost them $50 billion...not 8 Trillion. Still, it was a nice gift to Israel. Shalom. Last Edited by The Lathe Of Heaven on 05/28/2020 02:03 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18972958 United States 05/28/2020 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | China is acting just like Japan before WW2. Now Russia getting in on the action. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75539787 When you evaluate all the back-room maneuvering going on in the first half of the 20th century using terms and perspectives that we now enjoy thanks to sites such as GLP, it's easier to see that China's government suckered Japan into war before WW2 using false flag ops. They were then too deep on the "wrong side". Look at where Japan was in WWI. The Chinese have a long history of manipulation and deceit. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78331176 United States 05/28/2020 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The question here is this, I read on an Indian publication recently that at that altitude the jets would be limited to a one hour operation time. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78331176 Why is this? I know high altitudes are hell on helicopters. So is there anyone knowledgeable on aviation that could explain how operating at 14,000 feet limits aircraft? And how would helicopters operate at this altitude? The only way that isn't nonsense is if the fixed wing craft involved are based so far away that their operational time over the combat zone is limited due to time in transit. Virtually any combat fixed wing will have an operational altitude far in excess of 14,000 feet though takeoffs could conceivably be somewhat more dicey on shorter than standard strips. As to rotor craft, the problem would most likely be a lowered maximum lift capacity at peak operating altitudes which could render them less than optimally effective. Thanks. Yeah I kind of suspected that was Indian propaganda and that 14,000 feet was no problem for most any modern fighter jet. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78061422 United States 05/28/2020 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chinese are lashing out over the worlds scorning them over the virus which has destroyed lives all over the world. A Biologist studying the virus said it was the most perfect virus as if man made. So who else might think the Chinese had something sinister all along? They are stirring up trouble all over the world with many countries not just India. Signs something is amiss in the Chinese government. India and China both have nukes bare that in mind. |
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Chaotic Constitutionalist User ID: 48865774 United States 05/28/2020 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This could be the ultimate population reduction. A billion here, a billion there, 100 million here, 100 million there. I don't mean that to be flippant, but if it went "hot" that could literally reduce the global population by 1/3 or more. China India Pakistan Indonesia Vietnam Thailand Cambodia Bangladesh Malaysia Myanmar Laos HWR The US is a One Party State controlled by a small cadre of Financiers Big Daddy D |
Blooming HaHa
User ID: 78959008 India 05/28/2020 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Calm your tits, morons. Not a single Chinese troop has entered India. There has been no real combat between the two since 1967, but plenty of skirmishes at the Line of actual control or border due to the China's habit of showing off its military muscle. [link to twitter.com (secure)] "Let me state this emphatically: THERE ARE NO CHINESE TROOPS ON INDIAN SOIL. There was a small ingress of 40-60 troops that was forced back on 22nd May. Nothing in Pangong nothing in Galwan. We have images but do not yet have permission to print." "there are about a dozen pieces of field artillery and tanks 3-5 kilometres from the LAC within Chinese territory and 4-5 Sukhois at China’s Ngari airbase 200 kms away. There’s nothing we can do about that because it’s within their side of the LAC" [link to twitter.com (secure)] No one is taking a victory lap but the fact is India matched the build up and refused to back down. Also remember the conciliatory statements today have come from Beijing - @nitingokhale - National Security Analyst The honest man must be a perpetual renegade. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77030592 Germany 05/28/2020 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course, they are to rule the world. With Dems in the WH, no problem. Communism rules... Maybe Africa will also get involved, as many Chinese factories are there... and then there would be several B people involved, that are supposed to die... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69958482 United States 05/28/2020 05:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Population and military might - china is sixty times the threat Iraq was. Quoting: The Lathe Of Heaven China will kill quarter of a million of US troops (at least) to Iraq's 4484. Shouldnt have fucked with president Saddam. He destroyed trillions of US money and military hardware and exposed the US military as a paper tiger. Since that quagmire of a debacle the US then concentrated on street anti insurgency (USSR threat nullified). Now they are faced with a real war and a worthy opponent. :ddddddsasasa: How does kicking the shit out of Saddam in record time show the US as a paper tiger? Bet he wasn't thinking that when we killed his sons and pulled his cowering ass out of a hole in the desert. We MADE Saddam, and sold him the very weapons we went in to take from him ( even though we didn’t “find” them). They paid off the “Elite Republican ( hmm) Guard” with skids of cash and they disappeared by the time we got there ( again). Cakewalk, America Fuck yeah. Oh but it was a goddam lie when Obama did the same with Bin laden. |
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User ID: 78380321 United States 05/28/2020 05:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Population and military might - china is sixty times the threat Iraq was. Quoting: The Lathe Of Heaven China will kill quarter of a million of US troops (at least) to Iraq's 4484. Shouldnt have fucked with president Saddam. He destroyed trillions of US money and military hardware and exposed the US military as a paper tiger. Since that quagmire of a debacle the US then concentrated on street anti insurgency (USSR threat nullified). Now they are faced with a real war and a worthy opponent. How does kicking the shit out of Saddam in record time show the US as a paper tiger? Bet he wasn't thinking that when we killed his sons and pulled his cowering ass out of a hole in the desert. We MADE Saddam, and sold him the very weapons we went in to take from him ( even though we didn’t “find” them). They paid off the “Elite Republican ( hmm) Guard” with skids of cash and they disappeared by the time we got there ( again). Cakewalk, America Fuck yeah. Oh but it was a goddam lie when Obama did the same with Bin laden. Typed like a true keyboard warrior. Hey shit stain we (1st Armored Division) went THROUGH 4 REPUBLICAN GUARD ARMORED DIVISIONS in 4 days. we destroyed over 1,100 tanks and armored vehicles. My unit alone captured 8,000 Iraqi Republican Guards soldiers. I don't recall seeing or hearing you any where while I was in Iraq. If you weren't in the front taking the brunt or in the rear with the gear then shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about. Familiarity breeds contempt. I came into this world fighting screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way. Pain is a wonderful teacher, we just don't always know the lesson. |
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thetrickybigguy
User ID: 56638406 United States 05/28/2020 06:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | fistfights and stone-pelting? Falling down is a part of life, getting back up is living. ~ Life is about choices, you get to make them each and every day of your life. ~ Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.~ Only in America... do we use the word 'politics' to describe the process so well: 'Poloi' in Greek meaning 'many' and 'tics' meaning 'bloodsucking creatures'.~ “When a government is dependent for money upon the bankers, they and not the government leaders control the nation. This is because the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Financiers are without patriotism and without decency.” If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain. Winston Churchill |
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The Lathe Of Heaven
User ID: 77515983 United Kingdom 05/28/2020 06:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Population and military might - china is sixty times the threat Iraq was. Quoting: The Lathe Of Heaven China will kill quarter of a million of US troops (at least) to Iraq's 4484. Shouldnt have fucked with president Saddam. He destroyed trillions of US money and military hardware and exposed the US military as a paper tiger. Since that quagmire of a debacle the US then concentrated on street anti insurgency (USSR threat nullified). Now they are faced with a real war and a worthy opponent. How does kicking the shit out of Saddam in record time show the US as a paper tiger? Bet he wasn't thinking that when we killed his sons and pulled his cowering ass out of a hole in the desert. We MADE Saddam, and sold him the very weapons we went in to take from him ( even though we didn’t “find” them). They paid off the “Elite Republican ( hmm) Guard” with skids of cash and they disappeared by the time we got there ( again). Cakewalk, America Fuck yeah. Oh but it was a goddam lie when Obama did the same with Bin laden. Typed like a true keyboard warrior. Hey shit stain we (1st Armored Division) went THROUGH 4 REPUBLICAN GUARD ARMORED DIVISIONS in 4 days. we destroyed over 1,100 tanks and armored vehicles. My unit alone captured 8,000 Iraqi Republican Guards soldiers. I don't recall seeing or hearing you any where while I was in Iraq. If you weren't in the front taking the brunt or in the rear with the gear then shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about. Here are the reasons why. Maybe you could correct any of the following? Ryan Parkinson, Tanker, Tank Commander, Abrams Master Gunner, Combat Vet Updated November 21, 2017 Lots of reasons: Significantly less armor (barely 500 mm RHAe on the heaviest armored T-72 versus well over 750 on the thinnest armored Abrams). Less capable sights. T-72 could barely see/kill out to 2500 meters. And couldn’t see at all at night. Abrams can see/kill out to 5000 meters and was just as effective at night as daytime. Invasion and most combat was at night: 100% advantage Abrams. Less powerful and WAY less accurate gun. 2A46 T-72 gun could barely reach out to 2500 meters on T-72 and could barely penetrate 250–300 mm of RHAe with a sabot round at 2000 meters. ATGM rounds could penetrate more (up to 750–800 mm of RHAe but only out to 2500 meters). First round hit probability by T-72: less than 40%. Abrams tanks can “see” and generate a ballistic solution out to AT LEAST 5000 meters. M256 Rheinmetall Abrams gun could penetrate between 500–600 mm RHAe at 2000 meters and had a first round hit probability over 90%. Autoloader on T-72 could barely load 6 rounds per minute if all conditions were perfect (1 round every 10 seconds). Barely adequate Abrams crew can load one round every 7 seconds. That is three seconds faster for the slowest Abrams crew than is even possible for the best T-72 crew…and that ignores a GOOD or GREAT Abrams loaders who can load at 3–5 seconds…up to 20 rounds per minute theoretically. MUCH Less well trained crews on Iraqi T-72s versus Abrams. Better training all around, better officers, better NCOs, better soldiers for US military. More discipline by US soldiers. Better planning, better execution of plans by US troops. MUCH better support, logistics, and repair capabilities supporting front line troops in US military. And numerous other reasons, but those are the “major” factors. Not to mention satelites and arial recon. Last Edited by The Lathe Of Heaven on 05/28/2020 06:23 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78585132 Canada 05/28/2020 06:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The question here is this, I read on an Indian publication recently that at that altitude the jets would be limited to a one hour operation time. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78331176 Why is this? I know high altitudes are hell on helicopters. So is there anyone knowledgeable on aviation that could explain how operating at 14,000 feet limits aircraft? And how would helicopters operate at this altitude? The only way that isn't nonsense is if the fixed wing craft involved are based so far away that their operational time over the combat zone is limited due to time in transit. Virtually any combat fixed wing will have an operational altitude far in excess of 14,000 feet though takeoffs could conceivably be somewhat more dicey on shorter than standard strips. As to rotor craft, the problem would most likely be a lowered maximum lift capacity at peak operating altitudes which could render them less than optimally effective. Low air density and heat at high elevation reduces the lift, even piston planes have troubles in such conditions. Yes a jet engine can operate and restart engine to 30,000ft, but requires higher take off speed for same weight in thin air, so needs longer runways and the engine turbines needs to spin faster to compress same about of air to provide thrust and O2 for combustion. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] |
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