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Crazy Horse The Prophet User ID: 79132502 United Kingdom 07/18/2020 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rapture was never heard of before America was found, and neither did Evangelical. First they tried to replace it with tribulations, then we ask "which tribulation?", then they said "pre-tribulation".. laughable. The rapture is an eschatological term used by certain Let it die with Babylon the Great. As for hell.. Religion has been around for centuries, telling people I’ll send them to hell if they don’t believe in Me this way or that way, and if they don’t stop certain behaviors. I know. I know that. Well, do you see those behaviors being stopped? No, not really. The human race is killing itself, just as it always has. Faster, actually, than it ever has, because now you have weapons of mass destruction. [snip] You have written these books, and it is very okay to say that you have. It is not necessary for you, or anyone else, to hide your light under a bushel. I have made that point before. Unless you learn to acknowledge Who You Are and what you have done, you can never acknowledge others for Who They Are and what they have done. [snip] If you and I are to have a true friendship — a working friendship, and not just a friendship in theory... That’s important. Let’s stop here and make that distinction, because that’s an important distinction. Many people think that God is their friend, but they don’t know how to use that friendship. They see it as a distant relationship, not a close one. Many more people do not even think of Me as a friend at all. That’s the sad part of it. Many people think of Me as a parent, not a friend—and a harsh, cruel, demanding, angry parent at that. A Father who will tolerate absolutely no failure in certain areas—such as, for instance, how to worship Me. In the minds of these people, I not only demand your worship, I demand it in a specific way. It is not enough that you come to Me. You must come to Me by a particular path. Should you come to Me by another path—any other path—I will reject your love, ignore your entreaties, and, indeed, condemn you to hell. Even though my search for You was sincere, my intent pure, and my understandings the best I could reach? Even though. Yes, even though. In the minds of these people, I am a stringent parent who will accept nothing less than absolute correctness in your understandings of Who I Am. If you are not correct in the understandings at which you have arrived, I will punish you. You can be as pure in your intent as possible; you can be so filled with love for Me that you overflow. I will cast you into the fires of hell nonetheless, and you will suffer there forever if you come to Me with the wrong name on your lips, the wrong ideas in your head. It is sad that so many people see You that way. This is not how a friend would behave at all. No, it is not. And so the very idea of having a friendship with God, the kind of relationship you have with your best friend, who will accept anything given in love, forgive everything done in error—that kind of friendship—is unfathomable to them. Then, among those who do see Me as their friend, you are right; most of them hold Me at a great distance. They do not have a working friendship with Me. It is, rather, a very distant relationship that they hope they can count on if they should ever have to. But it is not the day-to-day, hour-to-hour, minute-to-minute friendship that it could be. And You were starting to tell me what it would take to have that kind of friendship with You. A change of mind and a change of heart. That is what it would take. A change of mind and a change of heart. And courage. Courage? Yes. The courage to reject every notion, every idea, every teaching of a God who would reject you. This will take enormous bravery, because the world has contrived to fill your head with those notions, ideas, and teachings. You will have to adopt a new thought about all of this, a thought that runs counter to virtually everything you’ve ever been told or heard about Me. That’ll be tough. For some, that’ll be very tough. But it will be necessary, because you can’t have a friendship— not a real, not a close, not a working, give-and-take friendship—with someone you fear. So a big part of forging a friendship with God is forgetting our “fearship” with God. Oh, I like that. That’s not an actual word in your language, but I like it. That’s exactly what you’ve had with Me all these years—a fearship with God. Far less than 50% Friendship With God - Free for all online Fearship with God --> |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79163045 United States 07/18/2020 07:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | dec: Even now many backslidden 'Christians' act as if the serious events bridea Quoting: Judethz of the last few months are just a temporary setback. That things will be all right with the world and soon be back to normal. With some honorable exceptions the state of the Modern Day 'Church' is an absolute disgrace. They long ago ceased to be fit for purpose, and are like a termite ridden tree in the forest. Just waiting for a good strong wind to come along and finish them off for good. The great evil that they have done is that they have left their congregation's unprepared for the wrath to come. We are not guiltless because we have become comfortable with and accept such evils as One World Religion, The Prosperity gospel, abortion, homosexuality, freewheeling sexual activity, and a host of other evils and petty distractions. The result being that great numbers of them will be suddenly plunged completely unaware into a world of horror, want and savagery that is truly the stuff of nightmares. With only a small chance of gaining salvation as one of the Tribulation Saints. You have still been blessed with a little time, so don't waste it. Turn to the Lord while you are still able and He will be quick to hear you. Remember you could get hit by a bus tomorrow and then where would you be. 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; The fake pre-trib rapture IS NOT sound doctrine. The "evil" you speak of is the FALSE HOPE of escaping tribulation. For cemturies - Christians have endured tribulation. We DO NOT ESCAPE from it at the end times either. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69358596 Poland 07/18/2020 07:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You think you know better than God. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79160888 You think you are among the smartest of men.. You are your only god... For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the J*w first and also for the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith." For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Romans 1:16-25 Who the hell are you speaking to? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79160888 United States 07/18/2020 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fake pre-trib rapture IS NOT sound doctrine. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79163045 The "evil" you speak of is the FALSE HOPE of escaping tribulation. For cemturies - Christians have endured tribulation. We DO NOT ESCAPE from it at the end times either. You say me looking to and for Jesus Christ every moment of every day is false and evil... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78242598 United States 07/18/2020 07:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The belief is Hell, although terrifying, guarantees eternal life. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78242598 The OP pushes, demands a belief in Hell. Otherwise there is the third option. 1. Heaven 2. Hell 3. Nothing And face it OP, choice number three scares you far more than choice two doesn't it. :jbase: Well if there was nothing then we wouldn't be here. After death, when one breathes no more. Choice 3 scares you far more than choice 2. Bullshit. The end, lights out, nothing is not scary, and many would choose it if they could. I probably would have... Hell is Terror. You are afraid to deal with it. You are far more scared of #3. You thank God for Hell because you think everyone exists forever in heaven or in hell. Sorry there, but after your last breath you might simply exist no more. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78242598 United States 07/18/2020 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fake pre-trib rapture IS NOT sound doctrine. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79163045 The "evil" you speak of is the FALSE HOPE of escaping tribulation. For cemturies - Christians have endured tribulation. We DO NOT ESCAPE from it at the end times either. Why did Jesus Christ die? Because his Father sent him in his place. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69358596 Poland 07/18/2020 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are False. You do not believe Christianity. You cannot impose your false understanding and change it into the real and true simply by force of your arrogant, selfish, evil will. You don't know what real Christianity is.. it is Gnosticism and Buddhism mixed. Oh it was 1830s, not 1870s, my bad. History of the "Rapture" This doctrine is new; it was never taught or even discussed prior to the 1830’s. It seems to have first come from a “prophetic vision” by Margaret Macdonald, a woman in 1830, who was a part of the cult group the “Irvingites,” while having an emotional experience. Through a “mingled prophecy and vision” (breakdown), and saying “the power of the Holy Spirit,” she came up with this. She was very ill and delusional according to physicians and learned observers at the time. How, how, how did this get to doctrinal status? In spite of her condition, people believed her. Not ministers trained in the Word, not those who were pious Christians, not those with discernment, but those seeking a new fad and emotional experience, just as so many do today. By the way, she was a cultist! Then another cult group in England picked this up by the name of “The Catholic Apostolic Church,” headed by Edward Irving (1792-1834). After that, another cult group called the “Millerites,” predicted the return of Christ on October 22, 1844. It did not happen; that should have been a clue, but this would not die. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69358596 Poland 07/18/2020 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fake pre-trib rapture IS NOT sound doctrine. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79163045 The "evil" you speak of is the FALSE HOPE of escaping tribulation. For cemturies - Christians have endured tribulation. We DO NOT ESCAPE from it at the end times either. Why did Jesus Christ die? He didn't, he lived to age 70 or so and had children. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69358596 Poland 07/18/2020 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | After death, when one breathes no more. Choice 3 scares you far more than choice 2. Bullshit. The end, lights out, nothing is not scary, and many would choose it if they could. I probably would have... Hell is Terror. You are afraid to deal with it. You are far more scared of #3. You thank God for Hell because you think everyone exists forever in heaven or in hell. Sorry there, but after your last breath you might simply exist no more. None of those, you are tricked into consenting to reincarnate on Earth. Reincarnation used to be in the bible. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79160888 United States 07/18/2020 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | After death, when one breathes no more. Choice 3 scares you far more than choice 2. Bullshit. The end, lights out, nothing is not scary, and many would choose it if they could. I probably would have... Hell is Terror. You are afraid to deal with it. You are far more scared of #3. You thank God for Hell because you think everyone exists forever in heaven or in hell. Sorry there, but after your last breath you might simply exist no more. I am not even slightly scared of that? Why is that scary? It's not. You just pointed at me again accusing fear again, when you know not the slightest damned thing about me... because YOU ARE AFRAID OF DEALING WITH YOUR DESTINY IN HELL. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79163045 United States 07/18/2020 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | False. You do not give a the slightest damn about the Truth, but only about approving yourself. That is your heart. WHERE is YOUR PROOF? Early theologians talking about the "immiment return of Christ" IS NOT a "pre-trib rapture". Jesus CLEARLY stated that He returns AFTER the tribulation of the End Times. "Behold I come quickly will be right AFTER the tribulation". |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78242598 United States 07/18/2020 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78242598 After death, when one breathes no more. Choice 3 scares you far more than choice 2. Bullshit. The end, lights out, nothing is not scary, and many would choose it if they could. I probably would have... Hell is Terror. You are afraid to deal with it. You are far more scared of #3. You thank God for Hell because you think everyone exists forever in heaven or in hell. Sorry there, but after your last breath you might simply exist no more. None of those, you are tricked into consenting to reincarnate on Earth. Reincarnation used to be in the bible. No, simple elimination after you are gone, like you never existed. Forgotten. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79163045 United States 07/18/2020 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fake pre-trib rapture IS NOT sound doctrine. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79163045 The "evil" you speak of is the FALSE HOPE of escaping tribulation. For cemturies - Christians have endured tribulation. We DO NOT ESCAPE from it at the end times either. You say me looking to and for Jesus Christ every moment of every day is false and evil... False. You do not give a the slightest damn about the Truth, but only about approving yourself. That is your heart. WHERE is YOUR PROOF? Early theologians talking about the "immiment return of Christ" IS NOT a "pre-trib rapture". Jesus CLEARLY stated that He returns AFTER the tribulation of the End Times. "Behold I come quickly will be right AFTER the tribulation". |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78242598 United States 07/18/2020 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78242598 After death, when one breathes no more. Choice 3 scares you far more than choice 2. Bullshit. The end, lights out, nothing is not scary, and many would choose it if they could. I probably would have... Hell is Terror. You are afraid to deal with it. You are far more scared of #3. You thank God for Hell because you think everyone exists forever in heaven or in hell. Sorry there, but after your last breath you might simply exist no more. I am not even slightly scared of that? Why is that scary? It's not. You just pointed at me again accusing fear again, when you know not the slightest damned thing about me... because YOU ARE AFRAID OF DEALING WITH YOUR DESTINY IN HELL. We know how you think. Hell guarentee some sort of existence after death. Consider simple soul elimination as an option, no afterlife in heaven or hell. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69358596 Poland 07/18/2020 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79160888 Bullshit. The end, lights out, nothing is not scary, and many would choose it if they could. I probably would have... Hell is Terror. You are afraid to deal with it. You are far more scared of #3. You thank God for Hell because you think everyone exists forever in heaven or in hell. Sorry there, but after your last breath you might simply exist no more. None of those, you are tricked into consenting to reincarnate on Earth. Reincarnation used to be in the bible. No, simple elimination after you are gone, like you never existed. Forgotten. Nope, reincarnation is starting to be proven fact with tons of evidence in science. Also like i said it used to be a fact in Christianity until emperor Justinian's wife decided to remove it and start the hell or heaven belief system to keep Christians better enslaved and dumbed down living in fear about their death. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69358596 Poland 07/18/2020 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are accountable with God for your every thought, word and deed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79160888 You have an INESCAPABLE WITH HIM. You ARE God, and there are universal laws, therefore you are accountable for yourself, responsible for your own actions, and judging yourself as well. You can forgive yourself for your past doings as well and move on. |