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COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774)
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But it’s not a net gain.... infected is infected....
The long term is still now lurking in more people.
Cognitive decline followed by more dementia type illnesses that we can’t manage safely.
Quoting: CleverCreator 40-65% is still a net gain, big problem is we don't know for sure and it will take a long time to figure it out. Most of the current data is from observational studies where you look at what is happening in the real world, this gets messy because there are there to many variables. Lab studies are less precise because humans are still largely black boxes, we can precisely measure the effects of a few dependent variables but only in isolation outside of the larger system that is the human body.... So infected may lead to long Covid at rate X. For sake of argument let's say 100% but we know it's likely much lower. Vaccine's reduce chance of infection by Y%, let's say 10% though it's likely higher. Even then in isolation there would be a 10% reduction, net gain. If people increase their chances of infection then it becomes a dice roll. Ideally we would have vaccinated and maintained restrictions at a level to push infections to near 0. In reality we are seeing every decrease in transmission used as a excuse to increase exposure and people then shocked that nothing changed overall. DUTCHY,i'm going to ask u the dumb question of the day just to rile CC up. isn't your %'s and theory based on the data from the govern and makers of these vaccines? hence,we really don't know much. it has been mostly lies. most everything on the virus was lies since the beginning in CHINA. if u read reports from SOS, u get different results. Yes to a degree, but the more important thing is to note that it tends align well everywhere and is being confirmed in labs. You could say they are all in on it but the larger the conspiracy the harder it is to maintain. now does the vax prevent hospitalizations and severe illness? that verdict is in limbo. let's again do some history. cases were coming down when they gave ut shots. if i give the shot to a healthy person, there is a good chance that person will not need a hospital. but the fact is that person most likely wouldn't need it without the shot either. this alone screws the %'s. it's like adding jelly beans to a bag of marbles. sure the bag weighs more,but does it really have more marbles in it?
Quoting: JAZZz50 Given it's hard to actually prove, the data does suggest it. Delta is a bit of a wrench in the system in that it is harder to determine real world impact of the vaccine on R etc but I digress. What we are seeing is that hospitalizations in less vulnerable groups are lowered when combined with vaccine, though this could be caused by finding more mild cases etc. Directly proving causation is difficult though the evidence does suggest the vaccine helps. i gave my theory to this virus. from what i have seen locally. granted that is limited due to avoiding ppl. the original strain that swept this area. skipped over healthy ppl. it only affected those with health issues. and out of those few died. this was before the vaccine. without a vax,the odds here of getting sick from the virus hinged on if u had health issues. anyone else was fine without the shot and would b with it too.
now unless u have a study on ppl who had med issues and took the shot, we have no study that tells us what % this vax is helping. and so far the only reports i see are old age nursing homes that are getting infected.
Quoting: JAZZz50 Detection rates, anecdotal evidence, the vaccine boost the existing immune response it does not magically make you young and healthy etc. thing is the virus is mutating that ain't rocket science. GLP been saying from day 1 that would happen. anyone believing Dr Farci just realized that all of a sudden is brainwashed and should not b on GLP at all. we have no data on how the vax will deal with any mutation. it was developed to deal with the original. hence,it was doomed to failure before it got released since the virus changed by then. they can make up all the #'s they want based on the original and know that will not b reality due to the ever changing virus. it is political double talk BS as always.
they went from fake hope to keep ppl calm to confusion doing that now. yet they have no hope.
Quoting: JAZZz50 I still like Fauci, he's a scientist, he's not supposed to be right all the time. They just need to communicate the whole "current scientific understanding is ever evolving" better but that is hard in a era of soundbites and feeling based facts. The problem where we stand is the whole "vaccines -> back to normal" thinking which has been preached for the better part of a year now. That was never realistic. From the beginning it was assumed that the vaccine would stop transmission, not proven, the introduction of Delta strained that assumption to where it could not be upheld.
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