Mary, God's choice to mother his son but should statues of her be made?

No mortal is to be worshiped.

His Highness the Holt pope won't like this.

The way you can know any pagan from a monotheist.

Catholics often say they don't worship Mary, but just one brief reading of the Gallican western or Byzantine eastern liturgy will demonstrate that they absolutely do worship Mary.

All I can tell you is that mariolatry had crept into the churches by no later than AD 250.

Especially in the Axion Estin of Chrysostom's eastern liturgy, the Mary worship reaches absurd levels.

It is truly right to bless thee, O Theotokos,
thou the ever blessed, and most pure, and the Mother of our God.
Thou the more honorable than the cherubim,
and beyond compare more glorious than the seraphim,
who without corruption gavest birth to God the Word,
thou the true Theotokos, we magnify thee.

It becomes quite clear that Mary never would have wanted or allowed magnification above the cherubim and seraphim. Her worship and liturgy example is only the magnification of the Lord.

Mary worship is an egregious heresy of the liturgy that east and west Constantinian churches just can't seem to rid themselves of.

The liturgy needs serious revision before I can fellowship with either Roman rite, or Byzantine rite.


Luke 1
46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

How in the world did mariolatry creep in to such an extent in the ancient churches?

Well, it's not as far of a keep as you might think.

As Christianity spread among pagans, some of these pagans would have carried their expectations of having a patron "Lady", or goddess with them. The technical term for such a practice is dvoeverie (double faith). It is to exchange one tenant of belief for another while maintaining the substance of the original belief system.

Since many in Rome had been accustomed to Cybele being the patroness of Rome, it is quite easy to see how Mary was exchanged as the new Lady. This slow creeping magnification of Mary would have slowing worked its way into the early oral liturgies. And by the time of Constantine in the 4th century was simply canonized as official state practice.

For example, Ukrainian orthodoxy has been called the most perfect example of dvoeverie in Christendom, being practically synonymous with its former pagan Rodnovery belief system

Technically the name is - Miryam

Mary is revered, not worshiped.

A statue of someone does not mean they are worshipped.

Good point but what does this mean?
Then God spoke all these words:
2“I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 3You must not have any other gods besides me.
4“You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth. 5You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve them, for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing loyal love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments. Ex20:20

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Are you suggesting it’s cool to disrespect the Savior’s Mum?

I mean, you wouldn’t disrespect Tyson Fury’s Mum, would you?


Why take chances..?

Mary was a human, so yes, you can make statues. Jesus came into the world as a human, so yes, statues can be made.

God on the other hand, no... we do not know the face of God, but we do know that God created man in His image.

And no, noone worships the statues, but Our Lady is forever blessed for bringing Jesus into this world.

xox

Say what you want, when you "magnify" Mary in the liturgy, that's the same word Mary used to "worship" God.

It is Mary worship and it came directly from the Cybele/Rhea cult who called Cybele 'Mother of the Gods'. Mary became the 'Mother of God' in the 4th century liturgy.

It's a historical progression and apostasy of the liturgy introduced after Constantine's statist church was formed.

when the fallen angels found out she was going to be queen before adam was born they flew the coup, she was the trap, accept her as queen and her son as king or do not, that is your choice.

the insides of an orthodox church have many icons and people died to have these icons that show you a glimpse of the kingdom of heaven and post incarnation when christ came into the world and became man we can now see glimpses of the kingdom heaven in the physical with icons and paintings and imagery which is why the orthodox and byzantine catholic churches are filled with icons etc.

to show you a glimpse of the kingdom of heaven to inspire faith hope and love

I don't get the question.

Only idols of wood like crosses or jesus will let you into heaven, clearly God has an image right since he can be limited by human form and that would imply then that someone created God!

If you feel stupid from reading this its because your a goy going to gehenom for all eternity for idol worship regardless of whether its mary or yeshu may his name be blotted out forever

....but...but... what if one makes a balsa wood cross and spray paints it Holy Church Gold bought online for $100 from the Vatican... what about that?

What if I just THINK about an idol- as long as I don’t actually MAKE it it’s cool?

More specifically, what does it mean to “have” an idol?

And what if instead of having that idol “before” the almighty

I have it “after”?

Then I can have more than one, yes?

I luv it

Where you all Fail is that you really believe that Saying someone worships Mary means that they Worship Mary.

You are Calling those who love God Liars and reveal the evil in your own hearts.

The Golden Calf was IN PLACE OF GOD. The Isrealites held it up and called it thier God.

Mary is the First Christian Whom points to and MAGNIFIES HER SON CHRIST OUR LORD.

So frustrating to see such hatred spewed out of ignorance.

Do you Call the Window of a Lighthouse THE Ocean?

No, you look through the Window to see the Ocean. Same with Mary. Her Story points to Christ and exalts him.

Yes she does, I like this.

Revered means revered, simple and that.

Basically, the only significant difference between what you believe and what the catlickers believe comes down to only one issue- original sin.

Who is to blame- Adam, are the Woman later named Eve?

You believe it was the Woman(Eve) to blame.

After that, what else matters?

The point of revering Mary is to show in practical terms that women are not ultimately responsible for sin, men are, so say the Catholicks.

Imagine the burden that females consider when they are taught that Eve committed the original sin and because of Eve everyone suffers today. One person to blame, a female.

Catholics believe otherwise. The burden of original sin shall is not the female responsibility. To support this, they revere Mary.

Get it?

So what is correct, blame the man or blame the woman for original sin?

Got a direct simple answer DGN?

Yes both.

Why not? We have statues of American presidents and other historical icons, and we don’t worship them.

Is that the official Jehovah's Witnesses belief or your personal belief?

Religious people make statues of their heroes, spiritual people observe God's first commandment;

Then God spoke all these words:
2“I am Jehovah your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 3You must not have any other gods besides me.
4“You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth. 5You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve them, for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing loyal love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments. Ex20

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