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User ID: 78973486 United States 10/24/2020 06:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Last Edited by beeches on 10/24/2020 06:58 AM Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4999903 United States 10/24/2020 06:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2) Batteries use rare earth materials and other exotic materials to give “extended range” and longevity. Quoting: pish True. And getting more efficient (less need for such materials for equivalent functionality) every year, with no end in sight. Plus, within a decade or two the metals problem will be solved by mining asteroids. Just ONE such -- Psyche -- has $QUADRILLIONS$ worth of gold, platinum and other metals... [link to www.mining.com (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4999903 United States 10/24/2020 07:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Biden will destroy society long before 2030. good luck riding your electric bicycle like a china man on dirt roads in 2030. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79159952 Enjoy your rusty tiny homes as well. Nah. Biden won't destroy America. America has already been destroyed and will collapse before 2030. Yes, America will look like pre-revolutionary China: dirt poor, miserable. The good news is that China and the rest of the world will do fine. Provided we don't blow up the world in a fit of rage. |
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Kagnimir User ID: 78589715 Poland 10/24/2020 07:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2) Batteries use rare earth materials and other exotic materials to give “extended range” and longevity. Quoting: pish True. And getting more efficient (less need for such materials for equivalent functionality) every year, with no end in sight. Plus, within a decade or two the metals problem will be solved by mining asteroids. Just ONE such -- Psyche -- has $QUADRILLIONS$ worth of gold, platinum and other metals... [link to www.mining.com (secure)] LOL, we can't get people to the moon right now, but we'll be mining asteroids, sure. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4999903 United States 10/24/2020 07:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2) Batteries use rare earth materials and other exotic materials to give “extended range” and longevity. Quoting: pish True. And getting more efficient (less need for such materials for equivalent functionality) every year, with no end in sight. Plus, within a decade or two the metals problem will be solved by mining asteroids. Just ONE such -- Psyche -- has $QUADRILLIONS$ worth of gold, platinum and other metals... [link to www.mining.com (secure)] LOL, we can't get people to the moon right now, but we'll be mining asteroids, sure. Yep. Not even that hard. Space tech is moving forward rapidly. 20 years max. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4999903 United States 10/24/2020 07:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah sure, the elites will get their EV's and the rest will be walking and using public transport. Quoting: Kagnimir 78589715 Didn't listen to the vids, did you? Key point was that with TaaS, cars and "public transport" will become barely distinguishable. Personal car ownership will become unusual, especially in urban areas, because TaaS will be much cheaper. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4999903 United States 10/24/2020 07:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah sure, the elites will get their EV's and the rest will be walking and using public transport. Quoting: Kagnimir 78589715 Didn't listen to the vids, did you? Key point was that with TaaS, cars and "public transport" will become barely distinguishable. Personal car ownership will become unusual, especially in urban areas, because TaaS will be much cheaper. ... HOWEVER, you've got a point. "The elites" -- which will be (already ARE, almost) anyone with a job -- will be the ones who can afford TaaS, in the collapsed U.S. This will not of course be because there is something wrong with vehicle electrification. It will be because of mass poverty and general disintegration. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77640440 United States 10/24/2020 07:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | EVs sound good at face value, but the reality is this: Quoting: pish 1) Right now...people get cash backs, and incentives, etc to have an EV. When everyone has one...that won’t exist. They are expensive..like I could buy a Ford Raptor, instead of a plastic PoS car type of expensive. 2) Batteries use rare earth materials and other exotic materials to give “extended range” and longevity. 3) Once everyone has one...where do you think the power to charge them is coming from? It’s still fossil fuel based, or nuclear (we’d have to build a lot more). Right now people get a break in rates if they charge at “off hours”...what hours will be off when the entire planet is trying to charge their car? 4) Electricity bill. LoL. Think it’s bad now running the AC during summer? Wait till every family with 2-4 cars are charging constantlydurimg the summer! There are other considerations as well...longevity of battery life, disposal of said battery, how dangerous they are in a crash situation...yea! Battery acid all over me! Yea...just gonna take a pass for now. I’d rather have a car with a radioactive plutonium bullet that lasts me my entire lifetime(shielded of course) , becuase that sounds like something plausible, instead of this BS. How about all road are tracks like the oldschool 70s RC racing tracks? You can’t go off-road, and your car is run with electromagnetic engines, that if anything like the RC tracks of old....would accelerate you fast than is humanly safe. Regarding the electric bill, I plug in my Volt every night. It has a small battery compared to a Tesla (16kwh vs 100kwh) and only allows me to use 10.4kwh of it, but I digress. It has increased the electric bill by $40/month. I have a 70 mile round trip commute to work so I travel 1400-1500 in a month. They allow me to charge the car at work as well. At my electric rate of $0.10/kw I can go 40 miles on a single charge which costs $1.30 so around 30 miles for a dollar. The car also runs on gas when necessary and gets around 40 mpg. So gas being around $2.30 I only get 17 miles out of a dollar. Running on electric gets me almost twice the mileage traveled per dollar. If gas got below a dollar a gallon it would be cheaper to run it on gas than to plug it in. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4999903 United States 10/24/2020 07:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 30 miles for a buck! And getting better. Not only that, but maintenance costs are a tiny fraction of ICE vehicles -- 100X fewer moving parts! 100X FEWER! EVs now in production will last 500,000 to 1,000,000 miles! Per-mile maintenance and replacement costs will soon reach vanishing point. The economics are beyond compelling. They are overwhelming. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4999903 United States 10/24/2020 07:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's one more. Slightly dated, but still excellent info. a few highlights: 23:40: EVs to last 500K to 1 million miles 39:00: ICE cannot possibly compete with EV, economically 42:20: used car industry will soon collapse; used ICE vehicles to have NEGATIVE value 55:00: solar tsunami 59:00: impossible for coal or anything else to compete with solar |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77640440 United States 10/24/2020 08:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's one more. Slightly dated, but still excellent info. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4999903 a few highlights: 23:40: EVs to last 500K to 1 million miles 39:00: ICE cannot possibly compete with EV, economically 42:20: used car industry will soon collapse; used ICE vehicles to have NEGATIVE value 55:00: solar tsunami 59:00: impossible for coal or anything else to compete with solar Don't get me wrong, I think they will coexist for quite some time. There will be some elbowing for space here and there but both have too many pros and cons in different areas for one to obliterate the other. Until there's a major breakthrough in battery and motor tech liquid fuels hold the energy density crown. (as in how much work potential can be carried along) |
Strate8
User ID: 76309910 United States 10/24/2020 08:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A lot of assumptions and leaps of faith made with that prediction. 1) California better start building power plants in their state tomorrow because they already don't have enough electricity. 2) Take a look beyond the liberal big cities of the U.S. Huge, spread out country. Those people aren't going to buy some electric piece of shit where you have to spend thousands of dollars to replace the batteries every few years. 3) Battery capacity drops seriously in cold climates. Good luck in the mountains of Colorado in the winter with an EV. Better get used to driving with no heat, going to need every bit of that power to get up the hill! Hybrids, yes, I see cars like the Prius doing very well. A EV hummer, no fucking way. Electric big rigs, no fucking way. EV trucks, no fucking way. trolls vs bots - we live in a scifi world |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77640440 United States 10/24/2020 08:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pie + Sky = Brillant Idea based on ignoring facts, science and rational thinking. Quoting: Strate8 A lot of assumptions and leaps of faith made with that prediction. 1) California better start building power plants in their state tomorrow because they already don't have enough electricity. 2) Take a look beyond the liberal big cities of the U.S. Huge, spread out country. Those people aren't going to buy some electric piece of shit where you have to spend thousands of dollars to replace the batteries every few years. 3) Battery capacity drops seriously in cold climates. Good luck in the mountains of Colorado in the winter with an EV. Better get used to driving with no heat, going to need every bit of that power to get up the hill! Hybrids, yes, I see cars like the Prius doing very well. A EV hummer, no fucking way. Electric big rigs, no fucking way. EV trucks, no fucking way. GM unwittingly demonstrated this to be false. When they were designing the systems and battery for the Volt they went a little overboard. GM's President Mark Reuss's own words.. "No. When we started with the Volt and the Bolt, we probably over-designed those battery packs. They may never die. But along the way, you learn how to control it and how people really use it, which until you do it, you’re guessing. So with better efficiency along the way, you’re decreasing the cell cost and size and improving the curve of performance and value, independent of cell chemistry." [link to electrek.co (secure)] There have been a few failures, mostly due to temperature sensors or a bad cell but they can be designed remarkably robust. My own car has 145,000 miles and is 7 years old and I haven't lost one percent of range. It pulls out 10.4kw and will go 40-50 miles just like when it was new. There's a 2012 Volt named Sparky with over 400,000 miles still on it's original battery. That car has lost some range, but still remains a completely useful car. It's on it's second transmission as a planetary gear failed and caused the motor to dead short. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4999903 United States 10/24/2020 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2) Batteries use rare earth materials and other exotic materials to give “extended range” and longevity. Quoting: pish True. And getting more efficient (less need for such materials for equivalent functionality) every year, with no end in sight. Plus, within a decade or two the metals problem will be solved by mining asteroids. Just ONE such -- Psyche -- has $QUADRILLIONS$ worth of gold, platinum and other metals... [link to www.mining.com (secure)] Oops! I meant $QUINTILLION$, not quadrillion! QUINTILLION. Specifically, 700 QUINTILLION. That's 700 THOUSAND THOUSAND TRILLION. |
Freja
User ID: 79342825 United States 10/24/2020 08:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Seems that no one has been listening to Tony Seba. Great stuff, completely blows away most of the comments on an adjacent thread claiming otherwise. EVs WILL DOMINATE before 2030. Totally. Like a tsunami, there's no stopping it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4999903 Grab a brew and settle back for several hours of enlightening listening... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] And all the parts made in China are being sent over on a sail boat right? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4999903 United States 10/24/2020 08:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pie + Sky = Brillant Idea based on ignoring facts, science and rational thinking. Quoting: Strate8 A lot of assumptions and leaps of faith made with that prediction. 1) California better start building power plants in their state tomorrow because they already don't have enough electricity. 2) Take a look beyond the liberal big cities of the U.S. Huge, spread out country. Those people aren't going to buy some electric piece of shit where you have to spend thousands of dollars to replace the batteries every few years. 3) Battery capacity drops seriously in cold climates. Good luck in the mountains of Colorado in the winter with an EV. Better get used to driving with no heat, going to need every bit of that power to get up the hill! Hybrids, yes, I see cars like the Prius doing very well. A EV hummer, no fucking way. Electric big rigs, no fucking way. EV trucks, no fucking way. Didn't watch the vids, did you? EV big rigs are already happening. ALREADY. And will become much more economic in a short few years. Battery technology getting exponentially better, year on year. No end in sight. Your points would be convincing in, say, 2010. Too late now. Sorry. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4999903 United States 10/24/2020 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My own car has 145,000 miles and is 7 years old and I haven't lost one percent of range. Quoting: CosmicFire Haha. Right. The idiots posting the negative stuff here will learn, shortly. Well, perhaps a few of the most-demented ones will go to their graves still deep in denial, like someone in 1925 STILL denying the ascendance of the automobile. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 4999903 United States 10/24/2020 09:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sail-powered cargo boats are coming along nicely, thanks. [link to www.popularmechanics.com (secure)] Did you have a point? It is a amazing, the lengths to which closed minds will go to rationalize their (ignorant) position. |
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(OP) User ID: 4999903 United States 12/30/2020 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.engadget.com (secure)] 2020 has proven that electric vehicles are the future of transportation Automakers have already begun to abolish ICE. Andrew Tarantola, @terrortola December 28, 2020 This year has made clear that the internal combustion engine’s (ICE) days are numbered. 2020 saw explosive growth in the automotive industry’s EV segment, with nearly every major manufacturer and brand group announcing, unveiling or debuting new and upcoming electric vehicles. Tesla managed to retain its position at the head of the market this year but its lead over rivals is shrinking as automotive stalwarts like GM, Fiat Chrysler, Hyundai Motor Group and the Volkswagen Group all jump into the EV fray. 2020 saw more than just new EV models, though: The battery technologies that power them and the transportation infrastructure that leverages them enjoyed some impressive advancements of their own. GLP Gadfly |