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There is plenty of evidence to suggest that it is at least POSSIBLE COVID-19 was created in a lab. The "who" is the real question because the research that could have led to COVID-19 was shared by both the US & China. I explain this below:

Up until 2014, the US was doing gain-of-function research (which basically forces recombinant replication to find "new" versions of something, until they find something deadly, then their stated goal is to find vaccines or treatment for those new viruses).

In 2014, 75 scientists got together and asked the US govt. to stop the GoF testing because the US was having numerous biolab incidents and accidents, which could lead to deadly consequences. Because of that, Obama placed a moratorium on GoF research in the US.
[link to www.nih.gov (secure)]

[link to www.scientificamerican.com (secure)]

So the NIH (Fauci) took it upon themselves to find a way to continue funding the research they had been conducting in the US by moving the research to Wuhan.

The GoF research they were doing in the US (before moving to Wuhan) ended up with this: [link to pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

Quoted from the abstract from a US lab:

"Here we examine the disease potential of a SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV, which is currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations1. Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone."

"Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein."

"both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations."

So, yeah, basically, that sounds like COVID-19 right there.

One of the scientists that worked on the above study is Zehngli Shi, the Director of Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases of the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

And Xing-Yi Ge, CAS Key Lab of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases of Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China.

In the above article, go to where it says "2AJF" (it's a link to the Protein Data Bank where they upload viral genomes they create or discover).

When I did that before, it took me to a page that says "It has been temporarily removed as part of our announced 'brownout' period, from November 3rd, 2020 to November 11th, 2020, during which time pages and data served from our legacy systems will not be available.

So why is that a problem? Because they deleted the viral DNA they produced from that study.....

They replaced it with a virus they uploaded to the databank in 2005.

So, they delete a virus they discover in 2019, but leave viruses from 2005? Right.

I tried putting that link into the Wayback Machine and it errored out when I did it before despite having several scans of that databank link. I have NEVER seen the error I saw on the Wayback Machine - never, but that error existed with literally every single page WB Machine had cached.

Another red flag.

But remember - the virus they deleted from the databank was created at a college here in the US - there were just a couple of Wuhan researchers that collaborated on the project. I believe the study had started before the moratorium Obama placed and were probably allowed to finish it here also.

For the studies that came OUT of Wuhan directly, you can go here: [link to projectreporter.nih.gov (secure)]

And here: [link to projectreporter.nih.gov (secure)]


In 2017, Trump let the moratorium expire and we began being allowed to do GoF in the US again, though the funding to Wuhan was extended until 2019.

Funding was granted prior by the NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES, which is headed by Anthony Fauci.



So, it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that COVID-19 was created right here in the US, then transferred to a Wuhan lab under the direction of Fauci.

It's ALSO possible that Trump discovered this "virus" that we produced in 2017 and discussed vaccinations with various pharma industries -- this part is "tinfoil hat" stuff, but it would make sense how they were able to "complete" a vaccine in less than a year when they were actually already working on it for 3 prior.

So, given that the research was started in the US then xferred to China, it means that either country could have released it on purpose, or the Wuhan lab on accident, etc.

Keep in mind, though, that just before COVID-19 hit, pig farms in China were being sprayed with Swine Flu by drones. China lost 40% of its pigs as a result.

I guess the point to all of this is that the virus absolutely could have been made on purpose, could have been released on purpose, and a vaccine could even already exist - or at least a treatment.

Who knows, though. So many red flags, not enough solid, concrete evidence.

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Also, please note that just prior to COVID hitting Wuhan, "gangs" were spraying Chinese pig farms with Swine flu (I don't believe that for a second).

They discovered it because the pig farmers had invested in radar jamming stuff to try and keep the drones from being able to figure out where they were. Problem was that they were also jamming aircraft and the Chinese government started an investigation into it.

They "claim" that it was Chinese gangs doing it, but I don't believe that for a second. Chinese gangs aren't going to be building drones, have access to Swine flu (which they'd have to have access to some biolab), and the ability to aerosolize it and disperse it from the air.

[link to www.japantimes.co.jp (secure)]

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The "claim" is that gangs did that so they could get cheap pork to resell for more on the market.

That's total nonsense.
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Highly possible and likely.
Remember, a trade war was going on between the U.S and China. Someone was losing and played a Dig Through Time card.
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Highly possible and likely.
Remember, a trade war was going on between the U.S and China. Someone was losing and played a Dig Through Time card.
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The greater probability is the US with Fort Detrick and Charles Leiber as the main protagonists.
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Covid was engineered and released by China. It’s not the people’s fault. Their government will change. Freedom is coming.
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Covid was engineered and released by China. It’s not the people’s fault. Their government will change. Freedom is coming.
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Please explain the logic in that.

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gtfo with that shit. This virus is hoax just like the other viruses before that.
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gtfo with that shit. This virus is hoax just like the other viruses before that.
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Sorry but what I've presented to you are official sources. Not a single one of those sources leads to "conspiracy."

COVID is very much real.
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Covid was engineered and released by China. It’s not the people’s fault. Their government will change. Freedom is coming.
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oops double
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Created by the U.S. and dissipated across China and Wuhan province in particular to have the cause. This is an elites game and their players aren’t your friends. This is about the vaccine and 5G, soon people will understand the link. Don’t, whatever you do take the poison. Its not going to help you.
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gtfo with that shit. This virus is hoax just like the other viruses before that.
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Sorry but what I've presented to you are official sources. Not a single one of those sources leads to "conspiracy."

COVID is very much real.
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Its a fiction. You can not catch a virus. Fact
The virus is produced in the body as a reaction to the environmental conditions. The virus is whats protects us.
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gtfo with that shit. This virus is hoax just like the other viruses before that.
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Sorry but what I've presented to you are official sources. Not a single one of those sources leads to "conspiracy."

COVID is very much real.
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Its a fiction. You can not catch a virus. Fact
The virus is produced in the body as a reaction to the environmental conditions. The virus is whats protects us.
 Quoting: anhedonia88


None of what you just said makes any sense, but okay.
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gtfo with that shit. This virus is hoax just like the other viruses before that.
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Sorry but what I've presented to you are official sources. Not a single one of those sources leads to "conspiracy."

COVID is very much real.
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Its a fiction. You can not catch a virus. Fact
The virus is produced in the body as a reaction to the environmental conditions. The virus is whats protects us.
 Quoting: anhedonia88


None of what you just said makes any sense, but okay.
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because you are brainwashed
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Sorry but what I've presented to you are official sources. Not a single one of those sources leads to "conspiracy."

COVID is very much real.
 Quoting: M8k3Am3ric@Gr8


Its a fiction. You can not catch a virus. Fact
The virus is produced in the body as a reaction to the environmental conditions. The virus is whats protects us.
 Quoting: anhedonia88


None of what you just said makes any sense, but okay.
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because you are brainwashed
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I cite sources, you don't bother reading them and instead come back with claims that make no sense when compared to reality.

"You can not catch a virus" - this is either you playing semantics, poorly, or you lack very a very basic understanding of life.

And you cite ZERO sources. Just words.

Brainwashed? Nah, you're braindead.
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Re: It is entirely possible that COVID-19 was created in a lab - either in the US or China
There is plenty of evidence to suggest that it is at least POSSIBLE COVID-19 was created in a lab. The "who" is the real question because the research that could have led to COVID-19 was shared by both the US & China. I explain this below:

Up until 2014, the US was doing gain-of-function research (which basically forces recombinant replication to find "new" versions of something, until they find something deadly, then their stated goal is to find vaccines or treatment for those new viruses).

In 2014, 75 scientists got together and asked the US govt. to stop the GoF testing because the US was having numerous biolab incidents and accidents, which could lead to deadly consequences. Because of that, Obama placed a moratorium on GoF research in the US.
[link to www.nih.gov (secure)]

[link to www.scientificamerican.com (secure)]

So the NIH (Fauci) took it upon themselves to find a way to continue funding the research they had been conducting in the US by moving the research to Wuhan.

The GoF research they were doing in the US (before moving to Wuhan) ended up with this: [link to pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

Quoted from the abstract from a US lab:

"Here we examine the disease potential of a SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV, which is currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations1. Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone."

"Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein."

"both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations."

So, yeah, basically, that sounds like COVID-19 right there.

One of the scientists that worked on the above study is Zehngli Shi, the Director of Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases of the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

And Xing-Yi Ge, CAS Key Lab of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases of Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China.

In the above article, go to where it says "2AJF" (it's a link to the Protein Data Bank where they upload viral genomes they create or discover).

When I did that before, it took me to a page that says "It has been temporarily removed as part of our announced 'brownout' period, from November 3rd, 2020 to November 11th, 2020, during which time pages and data served from our legacy systems will not be available.

So why is that a problem? Because they deleted the viral DNA they produced from that study.....

They replaced it with a virus they uploaded to the databank in 2005.

So, they delete a virus they discover in 2019, but leave viruses from 2005? Right.

I tried putting that link into the Wayback Machine and it errored out when I did it before despite having several scans of that databank link. I have NEVER seen the error I saw on the Wayback Machine - never, but that error existed with literally every single page WB Machine had cached.

Another red flag.

But remember - the virus they deleted from the databank was created at a college here in the US - there were just a couple of Wuhan researchers that collaborated on the project. I believe the study had started before the moratorium Obama placed and were probably allowed to finish it here also.

For the studies that came OUT of Wuhan directly, you can go here: [link to projectreporter.nih.gov (secure)]

And here: [link to projectreporter.nih.gov (secure)]


In 2017, Trump let the moratorium expire and we began being allowed to do GoF in the US again, though the funding to Wuhan was extended until 2019.

Funding was granted prior by the NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES, which is headed by Anthony Fauci.



So, it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that COVID-19 was created right here in the US, then transferred to a Wuhan lab under the direction of Fauci.

It's ALSO possible that Trump discovered this "virus" that we produced in 2017 and discussed vaccinations with various pharma industries -- this part is "tinfoil hat" stuff, but it would make sense how they were able to "complete" a vaccine in less than a year when they were actually already working on it for 3 prior.

So, given that the research was started in the US then xferred to China, it means that either country could have released it on purpose, or the Wuhan lab on accident, etc.

Keep in mind, though, that just before COVID-19 hit, pig farms in China were being sprayed with Swine Flu by drones. China lost 40% of its pigs as a result.

I guess the point to all of this is that the virus absolutely could have been made on purpose, could have been released on purpose, and a vaccine could even already exist - or at least a treatment.

Who knows, though. So many red flags, not enough solid, concrete evidence.
 Quoting: M8k3Am3ric@Gr8


For the most part, I agree with you. The bigger question is why the virus was created. Was it a bioweapon?

Or, was it created by China and the US in concert with the people who are behind The Great Reset to provide a means of complete, top-down control of everyone on the face of the planet?

Did China create the virus in an effort to create a platform that would permit the imposition of their social-credit system worldwide, and allow China to rule the world?

Or maybe Big Pharma saw a way to make untold trillions in profits and created the virus as justification for a new vaccine, and the virus was made just deadly enough to cause enough fear and hysteria to make people beg to be vaccinated.

The whole COVID-19 thing is a lot like the Kennedy assassination. We will never, ever know the truth. And when we do get close enough to the truth, the people who were involved and can testify as to what happened will be dead of mysterious causes.
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Re: It is entirely possible that COVID-19 was created in a lab - either in the US or China
There is plenty of evidence to suggest that it is at least POSSIBLE COVID-19 was created in a lab. The "who" is the real question because the research that could have led to COVID-19 was shared by both the US & China. I explain this below:

Up until 2014, the US was doing gain-of-function research (which basically forces recombinant replication to find "new" versions of something, until they find something deadly, then their stated goal is to find vaccines or treatment for those new viruses).

In 2014, 75 scientists got together and asked the US govt. to stop the GoF testing because the US was having numerous biolab incidents and accidents, which could lead to deadly consequences. Because of that, Obama placed a moratorium on GoF research in the US.
[link to www.nih.gov (secure)]

[link to www.scientificamerican.com (secure)]

So the NIH (Fauci) took it upon themselves to find a way to continue funding the research they had been conducting in the US by moving the research to Wuhan.

The GoF research they were doing in the US (before moving to Wuhan) ended up with this: [link to pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

Quoted from the abstract from a US lab:

"Here we examine the disease potential of a SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV, which is currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations1. Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone."

"Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein."

"both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations."

So, yeah, basically, that sounds like COVID-19 right there.

One of the scientists that worked on the above study is Zehngli Shi, the Director of Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases of the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

And Xing-Yi Ge, CAS Key Lab of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases of Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China.

In the above article, go to where it says "2AJF" (it's a link to the Protein Data Bank where they upload viral genomes they create or discover).

When I did that before, it took me to a page that says "It has been temporarily removed as part of our announced 'brownout' period, from November 3rd, 2020 to November 11th, 2020, during which time pages and data served from our legacy systems will not be available.

So why is that a problem? Because they deleted the viral DNA they produced from that study.....

They replaced it with a virus they uploaded to the databank in 2005.

So, they delete a virus they discover in 2019, but leave viruses from 2005? Right.

I tried putting that link into the Wayback Machine and it errored out when I did it before despite having several scans of that databank link. I have NEVER seen the error I saw on the Wayback Machine - never, but that error existed with literally every single page WB Machine had cached.

Another red flag.

But remember - the virus they deleted from the databank was created at a college here in the US - there were just a couple of Wuhan researchers that collaborated on the project. I believe the study had started before the moratorium Obama placed and were probably allowed to finish it here also.

For the studies that came OUT of Wuhan directly, you can go here: [link to projectreporter.nih.gov (secure)]

And here: [link to projectreporter.nih.gov (secure)]


In 2017, Trump let the moratorium expire and we began being allowed to do GoF in the US again, though the funding to Wuhan was extended until 2019.

Funding was granted prior by the NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES, which is headed by Anthony Fauci.



So, it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that COVID-19 was created right here in the US, then transferred to a Wuhan lab under the direction of Fauci.

It's ALSO possible that Trump discovered this "virus" that we produced in 2017 and discussed vaccinations with various pharma industries -- this part is "tinfoil hat" stuff, but it would make sense how they were able to "complete" a vaccine in less than a year when they were actually already working on it for 3 prior.

So, given that the research was started in the US then xferred to China, it means that either country could have released it on purpose, or the Wuhan lab on accident, etc.

Keep in mind, though, that just before COVID-19 hit, pig farms in China were being sprayed with Swine Flu by drones. China lost 40% of its pigs as a result.

I guess the point to all of this is that the virus absolutely could have been made on purpose, could have been released on purpose, and a vaccine could even already exist - or at least a treatment.

Who knows, though. So many red flags, not enough solid, concrete evidence.
 Quoting: M8k3Am3ric@Gr8


For the most part, I agree with you. The bigger question is why the virus was created. Was it a bioweapon?

Or, was it created by China and the US in concert with the people who are behind The Great Reset to provide a means of complete, top-down control of everyone on the face of the planet?

Did China create the virus in an effort to create a platform that would permit the imposition of their social-credit system worldwide, and allow China to rule the world?

Or maybe Big Pharma saw a way to make untold trillions in profits and created the virus as justification for a new vaccine, and the virus was made just deadly enough to cause enough fear and hysteria to make people beg to be vaccinated.

The whole COVID-19 thing is a lot like the Kennedy assassination. We will never, ever know the truth. And when we do get close enough to the truth, the people who were involved and can testify as to what happened will be dead of mysterious causes.
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Red highlight quote: So, GoF research is nothing new and it does have sound scientific reasons behind it. Not only does it allow researchers to see how recombination works, it can give them an idea of what traits get passed, what doesn't, etc.

It ALSO allows them to try and "pre-empt" any potential virus that is created "naturally," but on purpose (meaning that mutation/creation could also occur naturally), which they can then use to produce drugs for treatment or get vaccines in advance.

For me, I think the whole "create a deadly virus to study it and produce treatment/vaccine" is short-sighted because each mutation is a dice roll, so that which they create would not necessarily have occurred in that same way in the wild.


Orange highlight: This is certainly a possibility, though the evidence as to "why" is scant, to say the least. All we have is circumstantial evidence and common sense at this point.

Green highlight quote: I don't know that they would NEED to do this as they had already implemented it and the Chinese culture tends to put individual liberty secondary to community, rightly or wrongly. On a personal note, while I don't agree with never prioritizing individual liberties, I can certainly see how a culture of "community" can be successful in many aspects. So, I don't know that China would NEED to create a false flag to tell their people what to do - most of them will just do it, I believe.

Blue highlight quote: This is probably the most likely, coupled with some global shenanigans. Or, the Chinese might have had nothing to do with some underlying scheme to create a pandemic but they were a vehicle used to do so and to cast blame on (which, for the US, wouldn't be too damned hard to do lol).


Sorry for the wall-of-text but wanted to hit on all those points you made.

At this point, the evidence connecting all these things together is circumstantial, so I could never say "yes absolutely 'x' happened."

And even if a new administration were to get its hands on some dastardly things going on with the NIH & Ecohealth Alliance, etc., I don't know that they'd ever let that information see the light of day.

Can you imagine the backlash should someone prove that the US was behind all of this? Gawd, talk about chaos ensuing. The US govt. would probably never be trusted by its people again.

Granted, I stopped trusting them years ago when I read Operation Northwoods and realized the US wouldn't bat an eye to kill its own in pursuit of an agenda - 9/11, Pearl Harbor both come to mind.

Anyway, it's all so crazy and everyone will probably connect those dots in a slightly different way, but from all that I see, it seems pretty clear WHO is behind it, but the why? Like you said - we may never know. :(

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engineered by US or China ?

um yah ok, they spent millions engineering the FLU that kills no one... that makes sense.

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Created by the U.S. and dissipated across China and Wuhan province in particular to have the cause. This is an elites game and their players aren’t your friends. This is about the vaccine and 5G, soon people will understand the link. Don’t, whatever you do take the poison. Its not going to help you.
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This is correct.
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engineered by US or China ?

um yah ok, they spent millions engineering the FLU that kills no one... that makes sense.

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Your comment makes zero sense, even for an AC.
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Or its just a plain ole mutated corona virus seasonal flu that has had the bejeezus hyped onto it? Given a name to hype? Dare I say a propaganda hoax,tell the big lie they will believe it,etc etc etc? The lie starting with event 201,WEF,WHO and Chiner as the ground zero for the HOAX? Dare I say that?
Because if you have a brian this is obviously no different than any other flu's weve seen go around.Occums razor.
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engineered by US or China ?

um yah ok, they spent millions engineering the FLU that kills no one... that makes sense.

go away
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Your comment makes zero sense, even for an AC.
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shut the fuck up moron
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Or its just a plain ole mutated corona virus seasonal flu that has had the bejeezus hyped onto it? Given a name to hype? Dare I say a propaganda hoax,tell the big lie they will believe it,etc etc etc? The lie starting with event 201,WEF,WHO and Chiner as the ground zero for the HOAX? Dare I say that?
Because if you have a brian this is obviously no different than any other flu's weve seen go around.Occums razor.
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First off, when you say "corona virus seasonal flu" you immediately lose all credibility.

I won't bother explaining why.
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There have been some really informative post in the past about this with article verifying their authenticity.
The flu was made and created in the US as a bioweapon. The US has a law which we cannot create a bioweapon on US soil because of treaties from WW1 and WW2. So under Fauci we moved the research to Wuhan China. The Virus either escaped or was released onto the public. Now the conspiracy side says it was released by the Chinese to alter our elections here in the US for Biden because Biden is in cahoots with the Chinese....
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There is plenty of evidence to suggest that it is at least POSSIBLE COVID-19 was created in a lab. The "who" is the real question because the research that could have led to COVID-19 was shared by both the US & China. I explain this below:

Up until 2014, the US was doing gain-of-function research (which basically forces recombinant replication to find "new" versions of something, until they find something deadly, then their stated goal is to find vaccines or treatment for those new viruses).

In 2014, 75 scientists got together and asked the US govt. to stop the GoF testing because the US was having numerous biolab incidents and accidents, which could lead to deadly consequences. Because of that, Obama placed a moratorium on GoF research in the US.
[link to www.nih.gov (secure)]

[link to www.scientificamerican.com (secure)]

So the NIH (Fauci) took it upon themselves to find a way to continue funding the research they had been conducting in the US by moving the research to Wuhan.

The GoF research they were doing in the US (before moving to Wuhan) ended up with this: [link to pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

Quoted from the abstract from a US lab:

"Here we examine the disease potential of a SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV, which is currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations1. Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone."

"Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein."

"both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations."

So, yeah, basically, that sounds like COVID-19 right there.

One of the scientists that worked on the above study is Zehngli Shi, the Director of Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases of the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

And Xing-Yi Ge, CAS Key Lab of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases of Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China.

In the above article, go to where it says "2AJF" (it's a link to the Protein Data Bank where they upload viral genomes they create or discover).

When I did that before, it took me to a page that says "It has been temporarily removed as part of our announced 'brownout' period, from November 3rd, 2020 to November 11th, 2020, during which time pages and data served from our legacy systems will not be available.

So why is that a problem? Because they deleted the viral DNA they produced from that study.....

They replaced it with a virus they uploaded to the databank in 2005.

So, they delete a virus they discover in 2019, but leave viruses from 2005? Right.

I tried putting that link into the Wayback Machine and it errored out when I did it before despite having several scans of that databank link. I have NEVER seen the error I saw on the Wayback Machine - never, but that error existed with literally every single page WB Machine had cached.

Another red flag.

But remember - the virus they deleted from the databank was created at a college here in the US - there were just a couple of Wuhan researchers that collaborated on the project. I believe the study had started before the moratorium Obama placed and were probably allowed to finish it here also.

For the studies that came OUT of Wuhan directly, you can go here: [link to projectreporter.nih.gov (secure)]

And here: [link to projectreporter.nih.gov (secure)]


In 2017, Trump let the moratorium expire and we began being allowed to do GoF in the US again, though the funding to Wuhan was extended until 2019.

Funding was granted prior by the NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES, which is headed by Anthony Fauci.



So, it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that COVID-19 was created right here in the US, then transferred to a Wuhan lab under the direction of Fauci.

It's ALSO possible that Trump discovered this "virus" that we produced in 2017 and discussed vaccinations with various pharma industries -- this part is "tinfoil hat" stuff, but it would make sense how they were able to "complete" a vaccine in less than a year when they were actually already working on it for 3 prior.

So, given that the research was started in the US then xferred to China, it means that either country could have released it on purpose, or the Wuhan lab on accident, etc.

Keep in mind, though, that just before COVID-19 hit, pig farms in China were being sprayed with Swine Flu by drones. China lost 40% of its pigs as a result.

I guess the point to all of this is that the virus absolutely could have been made on purpose, could have been released on purpose, and a vaccine could even already exist - or at least a treatment.

Who knows, though. So many red flags, not enough solid, concrete evidence.
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Thanks! I don't usually bookmark a thread but your OP had such good info with excellent links that I was compelled. We
are much farther along the path down and psychosis is making it hard to stay focused on what really matters, but information like this needs to be saved for reference.
Again, Thanks 4 posting.
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There is plenty of evidence to suggest that it is at least POSSIBLE COVID-19 was created in a lab. The "who" is the real question because the research that could have led to COVID-19 was shared by both the US & China. I explain this below:

Up until 2014, the US was doing gain-of-function research (which basically forces recombinant replication to find "new" versions of something, until they find something deadly, then their stated goal is to find vaccines or treatment for those new viruses).

In 2014, 75 scientists got together and asked the US govt. to stop the GoF testing because the US was having numerous biolab incidents and accidents, which could lead to deadly consequences. Because of that, Obama placed a moratorium on GoF research in the US.
[link to www.nih.gov (secure)]

[link to www.scientificamerican.com (secure)]

So the NIH (Fauci) took it upon themselves to find a way to continue funding the research they had been conducting in the US by moving the research to Wuhan.

The GoF research they were doing in the US (before moving to Wuhan) ended up with this: [link to pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

Quoted from the abstract from a US lab:

"Here we examine the disease potential of a SARS-like virus, SHC014-CoV, which is currently circulating in Chinese horseshoe bat populations1. Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone."

"Evaluation of available SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein."

"both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein. On the basis of these findings, we synthetically re-derived an infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus and demonstrate robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo. Our work suggests a potential risk of SARS-CoV re-emergence from viruses currently circulating in bat populations."

So, yeah, basically, that sounds like COVID-19 right there.

One of the scientists that worked on the above study is Zehngli Shi, the Director of Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases of the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

And Xing-Yi Ge, CAS Key Lab of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases of Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China.

In the above article, go to where it says "2AJF" (it's a link to the Protein Data Bank where they upload viral genomes they create or discover).

When I did that before, it took me to a page that says "It has been temporarily removed as part of our announced 'brownout' period, from November 3rd, 2020 to November 11th, 2020, during which time pages and data served from our legacy systems will not be available.

So why is that a problem? Because they deleted the viral DNA they produced from that study.....

They replaced it with a virus they uploaded to the databank in 2005.

So, they delete a virus they discover in 2019, but leave viruses from 2005? Right.

I tried putting that link into the Wayback Machine and it errored out when I did it before despite having several scans of that databank link. I have NEVER seen the error I saw on the Wayback Machine - never, but that error existed with literally every single page WB Machine had cached.

Another red flag.

But remember - the virus they deleted from the databank was created at a college here in the US - there were just a couple of Wuhan researchers that collaborated on the project. I believe the study had started before the moratorium Obama placed and were probably allowed to finish it here also.

For the studies that came OUT of Wuhan directly, you can go here: [link to projectreporter.nih.gov (secure)]

And here: [link to projectreporter.nih.gov (secure)]


In 2017, Trump let the moratorium expire and we began being allowed to do GoF in the US again, though the funding to Wuhan was extended until 2019.

Funding was granted prior by the NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES, which is headed by Anthony Fauci.



So, it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE that COVID-19 was created right here in the US, then transferred to a Wuhan lab under the direction of Fauci.

It's ALSO possible that Trump discovered this "virus" that we produced in 2017 and discussed vaccinations with various pharma industries -- this part is "tinfoil hat" stuff, but it would make sense how they were able to "complete" a vaccine in less than a year when they were actually already working on it for 3 prior.

So, given that the research was started in the US then xferred to China, it means that either country could have released it on purpose, or the Wuhan lab on accident, etc.

Keep in mind, though, that just before COVID-19 hit, pig farms in China were being sprayed with Swine Flu by drones. China lost 40% of its pigs as a result.

I guess the point to all of this is that the virus absolutely could have been made on purpose, could have been released on purpose, and a vaccine could even already exist - or at least a treatment.

Who knows, though. So many red flags, not enough solid, concrete evidence.
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Yes .......created in biolab at Ft. Detrick Maryland and foisted on the Chinese at the Oct.2019 International Military Athletics Games by the cowardly USA.





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