A Universal Day of Rest - The Law Of Antichrist

Where does the bible say that the mark of the beast is symbolic? It clearly says: "to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads." Please don't add or take away any words from the bible, as written in Rev 22.

I know a SDA who preaches the Fourth Commandment as if it is the key to salvation.

Which is greater for salvation?
- belief in Jesus Christ as your savior
- belief in Jesus Christ AND your actions - following the commandments

How can it be that Jesus saved the thief on the cross when the man admitted his suffering was for his deeds? Luke 23

That's because our salvation is ONLY through Jesus Christ, not our works. When you stand before Jesus will you tell him about your good works that should save you or will you praise and thank Him for the precious and free gift of salvation made possible ONLY by faith in Him?

Keep the commandments as Jesus said, but we shouldn't confuse human actions with salvation. Salvation only comes by faith in Jesus!

What proof do you have that Colossians 2:16 is about ceremonial law? If Jesus fulfilled the old covenant, then he also is the fulfilment of the Sabbath. Our spiritual rest is in him. We don’t live under two covenants.

Galatians 3:8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole. 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

this is now bullshit OP because you see Satan has not been on this world for several hundred years.. Your bible is OLD.

And Lucifer was removed at the time of Christ... as was the actual prince of this world.. Caligastia.. Since that time.. Christ Jesus was prince...

all planets get celestial advice to have a day off work once a week for a day of rest.

god set no day on rest on this world.. all worlds select their own. Bullshit and more sullshit beloved from your controllers above. SATAN is NOT HERE and Lucifer and Caligastia no longer exist. The official prince of this world now is Machiventa Melchizedek. the one who came

from heaven who came to Abraham. He was VICE prince under Christ Jesus until sometime after 1954,

Give up the programmed GARBAGE beloveds. It has NO value 2000 years later. NONE :Love to you 2: Live in your NOW as the now is... which is showing you a huge amount of evil at this time. Pay attention to that.

Ignore this. It is even more deluded than the seventh day Adventist rubbish.

Suppose we accept the SDA teaching that the old testament Law of Moses is divided into two parts, the "moral law", and the "ceremonial law". The SDAs teach that the "ceremonial law" has been fulfilled and therefore is no longer in effect, just the "moral law" is in effect.

Compare with what Jesus said about the old testament Law of Moses:

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
(Matthew 5:18)

If part of the Law of Moses has not been fulfilled, then what about the "till all be fulfilled" part of what Jesus said? You can't take away the ceremonial law, Jesus specifically said "one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.".

SDAs are teaching that the "ceremonial law" has passed from the law leaving just the "moral law" which has not been fulfilled. If the moral law has not been fulfilled then the ceremonial law must remain. Just like Jesus said in Matthew 5:17-18.

Christians are under the new covenant Law of Christ. Not the SDA "10 commandments plus food laws plus whatever other traditions we add on".

The point I was making is that if Colossians 2 means what many proclaim it to mean, it would condemn any person who tried to persuade, and bring others to church as well. I, obviously, do not believe that.

And yes, the 7th Day, God determined which day is the 7th Day. Not mankind.

The creation of the 7th Day Adventist Church in 1863 was not "of the devil" as you proclaim. This was a body of believers whose name proclaimed deep truths not understood in their generation. The soon return of Christ, and the need for obeying the 7th Day Sabbath, the true Sabbath of the Creator God. As for the state of the Seventh Day Adventist Church today, she is in apostasy, which is why the "remnant of her seed" is left doing the work that is remaining.

Revelation 12:17  And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The only religion that should be followed is that which follows the Scriptures.

James 1:27  Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

I did answer your points, you just may not have liked the responses. There is no "only this one way will they convince the Muslims." They literally just convinced the majority of the planet to bow down to a scam-demic, and you don't think that they can do so with Sunday rest? Considering the fact that Sunday rest is lifted up for other reasons, besides worshipping God, such as climate change, and family time? The Vatican is in control of the Muslim leaders. The simple fact of the matter, is that MOST PEOPLE, like sheeple, will do literally whatever their leaders tell them to do. And it's that simple. No matter how impossible you think it is -- and COVID proved that.

Of course "not doing anything on Sunday" would be looked at as "no big deal" to some (even though its not JUST about that, but mandatory Sunday worship). That's part of the deception. People have been lead to belittle, and look down upon, the day of rest and worship, when to God, it is so offensive, that when it's enforced by law, if you choose to keep it, you WILL be lost.

It is an attempt to put Christians under mosaic law, which is clearly ‘antichrist’ and therefore the expression ‘of the devil’ is quite fitting.

The old covenant is obsolete. It does not and cannot function.

It’s not that I refuse to rest. I am lying to myself if I think I am resting. Evil never sleeps.

The 10 Commandments existed before sin. For example. "Thou shalt not commit adultery" existed before God wrote it on stone for us on earth. The dietary laws existed at LEAST since the time of Noah's day, since 1) Noah knew what clean and unclean foods were 2) it was after the flood (when all the vegetation was wiped out). Tithing was shown to be introduced through Abraham. The ceremonial law, including passover, and that which you're asking about, was introduced to the J--s which was later nailed to the cross. There are things that still remain today, and things which do not. The ceremonial law does not remain today.

The 10 Commandments are not "part of the law of Moses" which is also known as the book of the law. The 10 Commandments are part of the Old Covenant, yes, and (key word here) part of the New Covenant, much like tithing is part of both. The 7th Day Sabbath is not exclusive to the J--s, nor is it satanic to suggest that one keeps the 10 Commandments. What would be demonic, is suggesting that you go out and continue the sacrifices, which thus nullifies the belief in Jesus. My Bible is very clear on this issue:

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Christians do both. Those who refuse to do both these things, keeping the commandments of God, and having the faith of Jesus, are not Christians.

I have never denied on this forum the necessity of having both our faith and actions agree with one another Jesus is not just our Saviour, He is also our Lord. We must believe, and act according to BOTH. We must have faith in Jesus AND keep the commandments of God. If you keeps the Sabbath, but they are an adulterer, or murderer, they will be lost.

Revelation 14:12  Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

The simple fact of the matter, is that God's 7th Day Sabbath is ignored by the majority of Christendom, and other commandments are generally not, unless you count idolatry done by the Roman Catholic Church. Therefore, this point will be, brought up, constantly, to the point where it shall be a hotly contested controversy in the near future.

The book of Revelation is a book of symbols. The idea of taking the "mark" of the "beast" is widely misunderstood because people do not employ the symbols. Its a bit like how the Roman Catholic Church declares Revelation 12 is talking about Mary, instead of realizing that the woman there is the CHURCH/ISRAEL. The same is happening here. I rarely ever hear people define what a "beast" is according to prophecy, and if something so simplistic is ignored, then of course people will ignore what a "mark" is as well.

Daniel 7:23  Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Deuteronomy 11:18  Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

1. You aren’t getting the Muslims. It just isn’t happening. Muslims are going to consider any messiah that tells them Sunday is the bee Friday to be fake. You also aren’t getting the vast majority of Europe under the age of 35. They are mostly atheist and will be worshipping nothing and none. Revelation and the mark requires an act of worship. Taking the day off is not an act of worship. You’re reaching.

2. Track and trace and my neighbours aren’t going to be able to enforce an act of worship. They can’t stop me working on my house.

3. The scriptures you quote for proof of the Mark is from the Old Testament, for the old covenant. Under the new covenant God says he has written his law in our hearts. A physical Mark, Sunday worship, is therefore unlikely to be a fulfilment of revelation 13. And the Mark can’t be the Old Testament law because we are told in the New Testament that it is obsolete.

4. No evidence provided. No scripture to back up what you are saying. If beast and Mark are not to be taken literally, why should buying or selling be literal? Why should the beheadings mentioned in revelation be literal? Especially in a book that tells us at the very beginning that it is full of symbols and signs.

Your answers aren’t convincing at all.

I am not the deluded one. God does not provide the rubbish you ones "believe in".. as this is your God.. which
:NOT GOD:

Jesus taught the Father is INSIDE OF YOU... and in effect Christ Jesus is God the Father and God the Son of this particular sector of the creation. He did not teach garbage.

some of your gods are corrupt humans who have ruled on this world.

Colossians 2:14-16  Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;  15  And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.  16  Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

It is the handwriting of ordinances, the law of Moses, that was contains "meat", "drink", "new moons" etc. not the 10 Commandments. There is a difference between the 10 Commandments, the ceremonial law. People often erroneously attribute everything in the Old Testament to being "old" and therefore, make the mistake of assuming that literally all of it passed away. The dietary laws existed before the ceremonial law, the 10 Commandments, and the tithe did as well. We can find these things and examples of them before the ceremonial law was introduced to God's people.

The 7th Day Sabbath does have a spiritual benefit. But how can anyone claim they are getting a spiritual benefit "every-day in Christ" when they literally refuse to spend that special day with Him every week?

1. THE SABBATH

SDAs insist that we must keep the Sabbath as a day of worship. This is wrong because:

a) The New Testament never commands Christians to worship or meet on the Saturday Sabbath. Instead, Christians are recorded as meeting on the first day of the week, Sunday, in the following Bible passages:

1. 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 -- to put money in the collection.

2. Acts 20:7 -- Paul preached to Christians at Troas whose habit was to meet to break bread on the first day of the week.

3. John 20:19, 26 -- Jesus, after His resurrection met with the disciples on the first day of the week.

4. Romans 14:5-6 -- Paul, when discussing which day to meet, did not say that you must meet on the Saturday Sabbath, (as SDAs say), but he said "Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."

5. Colossians 2:16-17 -- "Let no man judge you in ... holy days or Sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come."

SDAs judge Christians wrong who keep Sunday as a holyday. Paul says that SDAs are wrong to judge Christians for not keeping Saturday as a holy day.

b) SDAs claim that the Roman Catholic church after Constantine in 320 AD changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday. This is completely false, because we have at least ten quotes from major church writers from 90 -- 300 AD who all say that the practice of Christians everywhere was to meet on Sunday, not the Saturday Sabbath. SDAs have no early quotes to show that early Christians met on Saturday.

First, the Greek word dogma (dog’-mah) is found 5 times in the New Testament. It appears in Colossians 2:14 and in four other places. In Luke 2:1 and Acts 17:7 it is decrees from Caesar and Caesar’s decrees were authoritative.

Secondly, in Acts 16:4 it refers to decrees given by the apostles and elders. Specifically this is a reference to the decision made by the apostles and elders at the Jerusalem council in Acts 15.

In Acts 15 the apostles and elders along with the whole church determined that the Gentiles were not obligated to follow the religious code contained in the Law of Moses. As a result they sent letters to the Gentiles informing them that they were under no obligation to come under the Law of Moses. They instructed them only to abstain from food offered to idols, from consuming blood, and from fornication.

During this meeting in Acts 15, it was determined based on the testimony of Peter, Paul, and Barnabas, along with James’ interpretation of the scriptures that the Gentiles were not obligated to come under the yoke of the Law of Moses.

When they sent letters to the Gentiles informing them of their decision they said. “It seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things…”

The apostles and elders believed: (1) God had already chosen the Gentiles for His Name apart from the Law based on the testimony of Peter, Paul, and Barnabas. (2) The scriptures of the prophets confirmed that the Gentiles would be the people of God without the Law of Moses. (3) The Holy Spirit had guided them in their decision.

Again, the word decrees translated from dogma (dog’-mah) in Acts 16:4 refers to the apostles instructions and is based on the testimony of God (witnessed to by Peter, Paul, and Barnabas), the scriptures of the prophets, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Therefore it is authoritative and not simply a reference to man – made commandments.

The other use of this word dogma (dog’-mah) is found in Ephesians 2:15 where it refers of the law of commandments contained in ordinances, a specific reference to the Law of Moses as the separating wall between J... and Gentiles.

In Colossians 2, “the blotting out of the handwriting of ordinances that were against us” is coupled with the forgiveness of all our trespasses. God forgave us of our trespasses by blotting out the handwriting of the ordinances which were against us.

In Deuteronomy 31, God told Moses to write the words of the Law in a book which was to serve as a witness against the people. Hence the use of the language “the handwriting of ordinances that were against us.”

In Christ we have forgiveness of all our trespasses (the transgressions of the Law for the Law reveals our sinfulness) because the handwriting of the ordinances “against us” have been blotted out!

The Old administration of Law which condemned us cannot serve as the law for the new man in Christ, for the old law was given to govern the old man which has been destroyed in the cross of Christ. Those who are crucified with Christ are no longer under the administration of the law under Moses because the old man to whom that law applies was nailed to the cross with Christ. The law which condemns the old man is no longer binding. If any man is in Christ, he is a new creature and old things have passed away, behold all things are become new!

The law of God in the new creation is governed by love and is lived out by the life and power of the Holy Spirit through Jesus Christ.

I have answered this meme before, and I will do so again briefly.

You were not designed to survive, or be happy, in sin. Sin is destructive to ourselves, and our fellow man. Crimes of anger, hatred, theft, r@pe, murder, gluttony, drunkenness, etc. are things which harm us, and those we claim to love. Christ gave His life to save us from the destruction that we are bringing upon ourselves through sin. By attempting to cunningly word God's desires, and painting Him with a stroke of madness, one completely ignores the gravity of the situation, and what God has given to save us from destroying ourselves, and others -- and this is also why sin and sinners will be eradicated. When God has given us warnings, and taught us how to treat others, and our temples, and the rules of life, and we neglect that just so we can do evil, for literally no reason at all, and then turn upon Him who gave us life in the first place and characterize Him as an evil tyrant, we will get JUST what we deserve when that time comes.

To all those who have disobeyed, when that time finally comes, God shall ask, Why have you broken my law? There shall be no answer. There shall be no excuses. Repent, while you still have a chance, before its too late. Save yourself, and you may also perhaps help lead your friends, family members, etc to Christ, to happiness, and eternal life.

You post that picture all the time. The bible doesn’t teach that, Christianity doesn’t teach it. You twist the Word of God, just like the serpent did in the garden, tried (and failed) to do in the wilderness with Jesus.

Jesus Christ is not God the Father. He did not teach garbage. But you do.

The corrupt gods who have ruled on this world are the fallen angels, those who rebelled and have deceived the likes of you, teaching another gospel other than the one of the apostles.

The Word of God and testimony of Jesus Christ, or what you and the demonic offer? I’ll take Jesus every time.

You are still not making any sense.

You position is just as HARSH as what you are complaining about with the supposed "Sunday Law".

You reject this:

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

You reject this:

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

You ARE judging everyone "of the sabbath days"

Didn't Jesus call people like you "Pharisees"?

First things first, I am not Seventh Day Adventist.

Next, most, if not all, of the reasons that people proclaim for keeping Sunday instead of the 7th Day Sabbath, contradict one another, and cannot all be true at the same time. First you will argue that the Sunday became the day of rest, and that is the day that should be it. But then you will argue that you shouldn't judge anyone on a meeting day. Then you will pull out Romans, and contradict yourself again, and proclaim that any day can be the Sabbath. And then, when you are shown to be wrong, again, then you say that Jesus Himself is the Sabbath Day. You are not consistent in the least bit, and yet you expect me to believe a word that comes out of your mouth in regards to this matter? The Bible is very clear. "Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy". Christians have forgotten to keep God's Day holy, and knowing this, He sends warnings and reproofs to bring people to repentance. But God's warnings are despised and hated. If you do not repent, along with others, in regards to this Sunday doctrine, it will lead you into hellfire.

Something you have to realize about the Christians of old:

Acts 2:42-47  And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.  43  And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.  44  And all that believed were together, and had all things common;  45  And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.  46  And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,  47  Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

They met daily, whether in the temple, or in the homes, they met daily. Just because there are a few recorded meetings on the first day of the week does not suggest that the Sabbath was changed to then. As a matter of fact, the Bible would have clearly indicated this in it's language, but it did not do that. The 7th Day is still called the Sabbath, and Sunday is just called the first day of the week. And no, the Lord's Day, according to the Bible, is the Sabbath Day, not Sunday as many assume.

Isaiah 58:13-14  If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:  14  Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

It is true that SDAs teach that Noah obeyed dietary laws of clean and unclean foods. However this contradicts the Law of Moses which says that God commanded Moses to eat all the animals and birds and fishes.


9 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
(Genesis 9:1-3)


Here is the previous dietary law from Genesis 1, referred to in Genesis 9:3.


Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.
(Genesis 1:29)

Therefore according to God's commandment in Genesis 9, Noah obeyed the dietary laws of only eating plants before the flood. Noah then obeyed the changed dietary laws of eating all the animals, birds, fishes, ect ect ect after the flood.

The food laws of clean and unclean animals were directed specifically to the Isrealites. The laws were to separate them from the other nations.


22 “‘Keep all my decrees and laws and follow them, so that the land where I am bringing you to live may not vomit you out. 23 You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred them. 24 But I said to you, “You will possess their land; I will give it to you as an inheritance, a land flowing with milk and honey.” I am the Lord your God, who has set you apart from the nations.

25 “‘You must therefore make a distinction between clean and unclean animals and between unclean and clean birds. Do not defile yourselves by any animal or bird or anything that moves along the ground—those that I have set apart as unclean for you. 26 You are to be holy to me because I, the Lord, am holy, and I have set you apart from the nations to be my own.
(Leviticus 20:22-26)


What you are saying contradicts the Bible.

If you really believe the ceremonial laws are gone, how are the food laws not part of the ceremonial laws? It doesn't say anything about eating unclean and clean animals anywhere in the 10 commandments.

It doesn't even have the words Saturday or Sunday or Mark of the Beast in the 10 commandments.

Do you follow Seventh Day Adventist laws and teachings? If you don't, what is the difference between the laws and teachings you follow and what the Seventh Day Adventists do and teach?

I recall that I just answered this somewhere on this thread, but in brief:

Colossians 2:14-17  Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;  15  And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.  16  Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:  17  Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

This passage in Colossians is talking about the ceremonial law, not the 10 Commandments, the law of clean or unclean, nor the law of the tithe. This passage must be kept in context.

I fail to realize how the idea that the Sabbath was made for man, means "Man may ignore this law completely." If someone gives something to you, wouldn't they be upset if you didn't take it, and use it for its benefit? Food was made for mankind to eat. Would we not suffer if we refused to eat?

There are two extremes in regards to the Sabbath Day, and I am a fan of neither. The first is disregarding it completely, and that brought judgment and destruction upon Israel. Then there is that which the Pharisees did, in weighing the day with rigorous rules and burdens instead of how God designed the Sabbath Day to be kept. I don't go around telling people, making ridiculous rules that you cannot spit on the ground, you cannot walk 500 feet, you cannot flip a light switch, etc. Those who have this kind of narrow idea in regards to the Sabbath have misunderstood what Jesus said about the day. It is a day of rest, and worship, and a day of loving mercy, and works, and the gift of salvation going out to men and women around the world. Those who ignore that which the 7th Day was set apart for, and spend time in selfish pursuits like violent video games, or fiction, sports, etc. instead of using the day as the blessing it is, will have a hefty price to pay for their disobedience.

Sorry, got banned trying to post this response for some reason:

A couple of common sense points about what God proclaimed to Noah:

1) Noah was not an Israelite, and the law of clean and unclean was known by him BEFORE the flood, so it proceeds the idea of any Israelite.

Genesis 7:2-3 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. 3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

2) In the very passage I just posted, God told Noah that he was to take 2 of every unclean kind, and 7 of every clean kind. Please explain to me how it is possible that God said, you may eat the unclean animal of which there are only two of, and DOOM THAT ANIMAL'S KIND TO EXTINCTION. What's more, WHY would God provide an abundance of clean animals, and a scarcity of unclean animals? From which animals do you think it was safe, and wiser for Noah to choose from? God was not suggesting that Noah was to eat of literally every animal, thus harming his health, but of every clean animal which was before him, he could take of, and this is logically consistent with God's desire to allow animal life to continue on living, including the unclean animals.