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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80441015 United States 06/16/2021 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Been buying solar panels the 195 watt kind , I have 12 I'm working on getting more every month and I have 7 one hundred amp hour gel batteries , and working on getting more of them. I need to operate my 1 horsepower deep well pump along with my house if the situation go south if you know what I mean. What kind of wires and other things do I need ? I'm pretty handy as a mechanic with what limited work I can do I'm an old man haha but I want to take care of my family. Is there a kit I can buy for a wires and a hook up the batteries how do I do this all inputs are very welcome. God bless you all. bro tim Quoting: bro tim Depending upon the amount of discharge/ charge cycling and the type of battery, the temperatures you are operating them in: you will probably only get 5 to 10 years of life out of them, if you are lucky. Considering SHTF is FOREVER; you better have a good Plan B! Or possibly go to a regular wind mill and a water tank set up, to start with. I appreciate the information I will consider all this. And I believe that the Lord will come within three years or so when everything goes south |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80493853 France 06/16/2021 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've got off grid solar, been using it since 2010. You can find really clear guides and how-to videos on Youtube. You'll need to decide if you want to connect your panels in series or parallel, so look up tutorials about that. They will show you the cables you need and how to make the connections between the panels and then into your charge controller. Plus you need isolating switches before the controller. From the charge controller you'll go to your batteries, again with series or parallel connections. It's a good idea to pop a shunt in which connects to a meter so you can monitor your state of charge and see how much power gets drained when you're using stuff. Like this one [link to www.amazon.com (secure)] Then the battery cables connect into your inverter, which then goes to your electrical panel. Or if you don't want to connect your house wiring up for code reasons, you can get inverters with outlets on them which would let you plug in your pump etc. You'll need to pay attention to the order you make connections. Spend some time watching videos so you get a good grasp of what you need to do, then go to a solar forum to get the answers to anything you don't understand or if you need recommendations for equipment and cable sizes. [link to diysolarforum.com (secure)] |
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(OP) User ID: 1627858 United States 06/16/2021 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've got off grid solar, been using it since 2010. You can find really clear guides and how-to videos on Youtube. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80493853 You'll need to decide if you want to connect your panels in series or parallel, so look up tutorials about that. They will show you the cables you need and how to make the connections between the panels and then into your charge controller. Plus you need isolating switches before the controller. From the charge controller you'll go to your batteries, again with series or parallel connections. It's a good idea to pop a shunt in which connects to a meter so you can monitor your state of charge and see how much power gets drained when you're using stuff. Like this one [link to www.amazon.com (secure)] Then the battery cables connect into your inverter, which then goes to your electrical panel. Or if you don't want to connect your house wiring up for code reasons, you can get inverters with outlets on them which would let you plug in your pump etc. You'll need to pay attention to the order you make connections. Spend some time watching videos so you get a good grasp of what you need to do, then go to a solar forum to get the answers to anything you don't understand or if you need recommendations for equipment and cable sizes. [link to diysolarforum.com (secure)] Wow! Thank you so much and God bless you. That's a lot of information I can look through and I can know what to look up when I go to YouTube once again thanks |
Zetetic Ben
User ID: 78710158 United States 06/16/2021 08:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is your well pump 220V or 110V? My guess is it is 220-240v. You can set up a separate system to operate the pump or run it off your house system if it is close and step down from 220-240 to run everything else. Call Glen at Ben's Discount Supply and he will explain the cheapest way to get it done without breaking the bank |
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(OP) User ID: 1627858 United States 06/16/2021 10:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is your well pump 220V or 110V? My guess is it is 220-240v. You can set up a separate system to operate the pump or run it off your house system if it is close and step down from 220-240 to run everything else. Call Glen at Ben's Discount Supply and he will explain the cheapest way to get it done without breaking the bank Quoting: Zetetic Ben Hey cool and thank you very much and God bless you I will look into that |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71177009 United States 06/16/2021 11:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IF YOU have a 20 amp water pump for example it surges an spikes up to 30 amps usually at start up if don't have that 30 amps at start up it will quickly burn out a water pump or any other type electric motor like it most solar system don't have that many amps readily available. I would use a generator to fill a cistern one or two times a day an use gravity to pump it out of that an put a couple of shallow wells with hand pumps an also small low amp water pumps that might pump alit slower but could work on most solar but f More filtration on shallow wells hand pumps don't draw water as deep as electric but a good one should go to 30 0r 40 feet |
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(OP) User ID: 1627858 United States 06/16/2021 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IF YOU have a 20 amp water pump for example it surges an spikes up to 30 amps usually at start up if don't have that 30 amps at start up it will quickly burn out a water pump or any other type electric motor like it most solar system don't have that many amps readily available. I would use a generator to fill a cistern one or two times a day an use gravity to pump it out of that an put a couple of shallow wells with hand pumps an also small low amp water pumps that might pump alit slower but could work on most solar but f Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71177009 More filtration on shallow wells hand pumps don't draw water as deep as electric but a good one should go to 30 0r 40 feet Okay thank you for your input I will review that God bless you |
bro tim
(OP) User ID: 1627858 United States 06/16/2021 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is your well pump 220V or 110V? My guess is it is 220-240v. You can set up a separate system to operate the pump or run it off your house system if it is close and step down from 220-240 to run everything else. Call Glen at Ben's Discount Supply and he will explain the cheapest way to get it done without breaking the bank Quoting: Zetetic Ben Yes 220 |
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User ID: 79662918 United States 06/17/2021 04:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wind power is as erratic as the Sun in most places, and there's moving parts to wear out...Solar has no moving parts, aside from the photons striking the panels... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
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User ID: 79662918 United States 06/18/2021 08:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wind power is as erratic as the Sun in most places, and there's moving parts to wear out...Solar has no moving parts, aside from the photons striking the panels... Maybe Both ? I had a hybrid system and decided solar was better... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
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User ID: 79662918 United States 06/18/2021 08:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You need a tractor to raise and lower your wind generator pole, or climb up to it...Mine was 70' in the air to get into the best air channel... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
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User ID: 79662918 United States 06/18/2021 08:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A boat is a great place for a wind generator...Mine was a marine windmill that I used on the farm... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
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User ID: 79662918 United States 06/18/2021 09:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, camp as we called it...63 acres for the kids to grow up on, to fish, shoot, boating, and for me to experiment... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5252857 Mexico 06/18/2021 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If your load is 1,000w, plan for generating 1,150 watts as seen from the charge controller (not the panel's capacity). This 15% will take into account inverter and battery inefficiencies. Loss from the solar panels to the charge controllers could be up to 5%, depending on the gauge wiring you chose. I run an array about the size you described and have calculated the loss I see. |
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User ID: 79662918 United States 06/18/2021 09:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you need a generator building to hold all the dc/ac components and wiring and of course that generator .. leave room for expansion and repair and engineering Quoting: JoeyZ If you don't have a basement, you can build a shed for your batteries and inverters...The inverters should be as close as possible to the batteries...You can send the AC current large distances... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
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User ID: 79662918 United States 06/18/2021 09:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You need inverters sized to the load you are pulling, charge controllers for the batteries, and a generator transfer switch to control your home... Quoting: BRIEF Not easy or cheap sadly. No. I decided to learn it and the cost was tuition...Solar power is a hobby, and I power my home, and even cut my grass with an electric lawnmower, all powered by photons! I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
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User ID: 79662918 United States 06/18/2021 09:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am still in the process of reverse engineering the photon, in studying quantum physics, quantum mechanics, and quantum electrodynamics... I can say with some certainty, that I understand all the basic principals and theories... From Tesla's polyphase alternating current motor and generators, to the quantum mechanics involved in producing the photon... It's exciting! Pun intended! I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked. |
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User ID: 78144147 United States 06/18/2021 09:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you only want to run your well, you should get a Grundfos solar well pump. Have a professional install it. Depending on depth and water needs you have, 5-6 200 watt panels should do. Dedicate them to water pumping and do not worry about power storage for that system. For your home, you'll need to go thru everything in your house that consumes power. Lighting, refrigerator, computers, appliances (forget a dishwasher), etc. Size storage for night time fridge, lighting and a small TV/computer. When you are afraid of losing your life, you have already lost your life. Don't be afraid. |
FeralOne
User ID: 70406191 United States 06/18/2021 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Use proper color coding for everything...All black wire is cheaper but you will have a nightmare troubleshooting, or throwing lots of pretty sparks... Quoting: BRIEF Color coding is nice, but colored elecrical tape is cheaper. Learn basic skills with a meter and electrical theory. 220 single phase is not difficult. Make sure things are properly grounded and you won't have more than 110 volts RMS to ground or neutral. Bond well, but only in one place - generally the main panel. As long as the battery bank is adequate and the inverter is large enough, the pump can start and run. Keeping the batteries full is a function of the size of the panel array and charge controllers. Make sure all connections are well made - especially the DC panel and battery connections, since they are where the highest current draws are. Learn Ohm's law and Watt's law. Those are the basics. |