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BREAKING - 6 mth Pfizer vax study shows no reduction in deaths !

 
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The study is about whether or not the vaccine is safe for the body.

It's not about preventing death from Covid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2272340


No, it's a clinical trial to test if the vaccine is safe and if it works, just like every other clinical trial.
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Not according to the wording of the study itself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2272340


The title of the study is:

Six Month Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine

Efficacy is the ability to perform a task to a satisfactory or expected degree.

The purpose of the vaccine is to stop people becoming seriously ill and dying from Covid-19.
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But, the reason the OP used this study is to show there is "no reduction of deaths" from Covid-19 in vaccinated people, based on this study, which doesn't actually say any such thing.
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Re: BREAKING - 6 mth Pfizer vax study shows no reduction in deaths !
I guess death isn't only thing to look at

They think it reduced infection

Did they use PCR? That can be manipulated
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08/01/2021 10:26 AM
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Did you even read the study ?

The conclusion is pretty straightforward. The Pfizer vaccine works in keeping those who got the vaccine from getting COVID-19.

I got vaccinated in March/April. No side effects.

There is NO excuse NOT to get vaccinated .
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08/01/2021 11:02 AM
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So basically Covid vaccine protects against Covid but not other illnesses like cancer... erm ok...
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The only problem with that: we are in a plandemic so we should see placebo test subjects dropping like flies.
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The data does not lie, it speaks for itself. It makes no difference if you are vaccinated or not, you'll still get infected. But if you are vaccinated and get infected, you will not die of Covid-19 but you'll later die of blood clot related crap.

Basically that's how the deception works. Although subtle, it is very potent in its arrogance. Fear is when we are spiritually deceived by the Darkside.

Fear is the path to the Darkside. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to pain, and pain leads to suffering.
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08/01/2021 11:11 AM
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This study hardly proves vaccine success does it ?
 Quoting: ParamedicUK


The study wasn't looking at that. It was looking at the safety. How the body deals with the vaccine.

It's a single study, and it's completely unrelated to the thread title.

It's silly!
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You are such a moronic shill. "It was looking at the safety". So if a study is looking at the safety it can't possibly divulge ANY OTHER INFORMATION according to you.
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08/01/2021 11:14 AM
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hospitalizations have reduced though. ICUs in my city were 100 per cent occupied, now theyre only 50 per cent.
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Delta is weaker I feel !
 Quoting: ParamedicUK


Yes it is. Just like the common cold. With no more innocents to kill in nursing homes, they are now pushing, "it's more infectious" as a scare tactic.
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08/01/2021 11:16 AM
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All the numbers fall in the random range except cardiac arrests which is just over two sigma higher (95% confidence).
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So basically Covid vaccine protects against Covid but not other illnesses like cancer... erm ok...
 Quoting: Woke Pakistani UK 80176420


The only problem with that: we are in a plandemic so we should see placebo test subjects dropping like flies.
 Quoting: Brainsucker


The data does not lie, it speaks for itself. It makes no difference if you are vaccinated or not, you'll still get infected. But if you are vaccinated and get infected, you will not die of Covid-19 but you'll later die of blood clot related crap.

Basically that's how the deception works. Although subtle, it is very potent in its arrogance. Fear is when we are spiritually deceived by the Darkside.

Fear is the path to the Darkside. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to pain, and pain leads to suffering.
 Quoting: TillamookTom 80668480

Correct .. The cherry-picked propaganda Pfizer got out their study was Table S6. It prevents severe COVID-19 disease. HOWEVER, 28 out of 30 people who got severe COVID recovered anyway, 2 died. The 1 who got severe COVID and was vaccinated is likely the one who died of COVID19 pneumonia from Table S4.

Their takeaway is it prevents severe COVID. 1 with severe COVID was vaccinated , 30 with severe COVID were placebo/unvaccinated

My takeaway : A 1 extra person died from COVID in the study in the placebo group than vaccinated group, BUT B) 3 extra people died in the vaccine group from heart attacks than the same cause in the placebo group. Therefore C) I'll take my chances with COVID
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This study hardly proves vaccine success does it ?
 Quoting: ParamedicUK


The study wasn't looking at that. It was looking at the safety. How the body deals with the vaccine.

It's a single study, and it's completely unrelated to the thread title.

It's silly!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2272340

You are such a moronic shill. "It was looking at the safety". So if a study is looking at the safety it can't possibly divulge ANY OTHER INFORMATION according to you.
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I'm not saying it couldn't. I'm saying it DIDN'T!
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I'm not saying it couldn't. I'm saying it DIDN'T!
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That's an opinion. It happens to be wrong, but that's your opinion.

All the numbers fall in the random range except cardiac arrests which is just over two sigma higher (95% confidence).
 Quoting: anon_cow

This shows a further study of heart problems related to the vaccine needs to be done, however it will not happen. No one in power wants to see or pay for that.
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I'm not saying it couldn't. I'm saying it DIDN'T!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2272340

That's an opinion. It happens to be wrong, but that's your opinion.

All the numbers fall in the random range except cardiac arrests which is just over two sigma higher (95% confidence).
 Quoting: anon_cow

This shows a further study of heart problems related to the vaccine needs to be done, however it will not happen. No one in power wants to see or pay for that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72868401


nope
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Re: BREAKING - 6 mth Pfizer vax study shows no reduction in deaths !
Six Month Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine

[link to www.medrxiv.org (secure)]

Same number of deaths in vaxxed and non vaxxed groups!!!!

[imgur] [link to i.imgur.com (secure)]
 Quoting: ParamedicUK


JVCI state 60'000 deaths avoided in UK due to vaccines.

I think they know a bit more than Uncle Dooms bullshit and a fake Paramedic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80418849


The UK data is just like the US data...it's garbage.

The CDC has finally admitted that they included practically every death in 2020 as a COVID death, regardless of other serious health conditions being the primary cause of death.

They used flawed PCR testing to get a positive COVID test result, and applied that to a 86 year old patient with stage-4 pancreatic cancer, and labeled that as a COVID death, just as one example.

When they stripped away the people who had 2 or more serious comorbidities, most of whom were already near death before SARS-COV2 came around, they were left with 13,944 deaths, meaning only 13,944 deaths could be definitively attributed to COVID.

If you apply that same math to the UK totals, the UK most likely has had ~ 2,000 deaths due to COVID, where COVID was present (at least based on a flawed PCR test) and no other life-threatening comorbidities were present.
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Six Month Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine

[link to www.medrxiv.org (secure)]

Same number of deaths in vaxxed and non vaxxed groups!!!!

[imgur] [link to i.imgur.com (secure)]
 Quoting: ParamedicUK


JVCI state 60'000 deaths avoided in UK due to vaccines.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80418849


I think you're full of shit and you know damn well these vaccines are worthless and there never was a pandemic to being with. You're just to much of a coward to admit to yourself so you hang around here trying to convince other people with your bullshit to make yourself feel better. That arm where you got your shots bothering you a little bit is it?

sheeplebah
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The vaccinated are scared and freaking out. When they heard experimental they should have stepped away from it all. So many natural things they could be doing to combat viruses.
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Six Month Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine

[link to www.medrxiv.org (secure)]

Same number of deaths in vaxxed and non vaxxed groups!!!!

[imgur] [link to i.imgur.com (secure)]
 Quoting: ParamedicUK


This graph that you posted does not support your claim.
The study found at your link does not support your claim
"Conclusion With up to 6 months of follow-up and despite a gradually declining trend in vaccine efficacy, BNT162b2 had a favorable safety profile and was highly efficacious in preventing COVID-19. (ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04368728)"
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Notice the 4:1 cardiac arrest.
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hospitalizations have reduced though. ICUs in my city were 100 per cent occupied, now theyre only 50 per cent.
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Delta is weaker I feel !
 Quoting: ParamedicUK


It is. Like a bad cold if that for some.
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Notice the 4:1 cardiac arrest.
 Quoting: samanthasunflower


And that's cardiac arrest that caused death. We don't even know the numbers of people in each group that had heart attacks that didn't kill them. I'd like to see that - my bet is it's even worse than the 4:1 death ratio.
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Re: BREAKING - 6 mth Pfizer vax study shows no reduction in deaths !
Did you even read the study ?

The conclusion is pretty straightforward. The Pfizer vaccine works in keeping those who got the vaccine from getting COVID-19.

I got vaccinated in March/April. No side effects.

There is NO excuse NOT to get vaccinated .
 Quoting: Wildcatter


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