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Sovereign Citizens Movement. Freemen of the land. Common law.
What do you think about all these freeman movements. And common law etc?

To be an independent of the government.

Some of there beliefs seem quite interesting.

I wonder if a new movement that brings only the best things of the movement should be established. Where people are encouraged to self govern themselves.

Changing society for the better. As I believe that governments are more a corporate model these days. And really are not interested in the overall welfare and edification of each person.

What do you think? I am keenly interested in your comments. Thank you.
Pray for the peace over Jerusalem.
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What do you think about all these freeman movements. And common law etc?

To be an independent of the government.

Some of there beliefs seem quite interesting.

I wonder if a new movement that brings only the best things of the movement should be established. Where people are encouraged to self govern themselves.

Changing society for the better. As I believe that governments are more a corporate model these days. And really are not interested in the overall welfare and edification of each person.

What do you think? I am keenly interested in your comments. Thank you.
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just like the story about how you dont have to pay taxes either, give it a try.
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also if you truly believe in those movements, should you not be using their currency?
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Sovereign Citizen is an oxymoran

It is about taking your rightful throne upon the kingdom

The law of equity is our way out of this mess not the common law
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if you dont want govt rule, dont look for govt help either, and dont use the utilities setup by the govt. how will you survive?
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also if you truly believe in those movements, should you not be using their currency?
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Personally I use mainly cryptocurrencies. As I don't believe in the Fiat centralized currency system.
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I think it's not to be extreme. But by knowing our rights. With the vision of being good to one another. I believe that the governments abuse there powers and often violate the rights of the people.

Its almost like no one knows the laws anymore.

And it's not like the government would educate people about the law. If anything they take advantage of people's rights. Because people don't know there rights. With the vision of being polite and courteous of course.
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I think it's not to be extreme. But by knowing our rights. With the vision of being good to one another. I believe that the governments abuse there powers and often violate the rights of the people.

Its almost like no one knows the laws anymore.

And it's not like the government would educate people about the law. If anything they take advantage of people's rights. Because people don't know there rights. With the vision of being polite and courteous of course.
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It takes a lot of studying on your own time to wrap your mind around. Most don't even know what rights are or where they come from. We created the governments and the banks, the people are the creditors. Without us they would not exist. They did a heck of a job deceiving people with their hidden contracts like the public education system. Also go find a legal dictionary online and use it there are really good ones out there.
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There's gotta be a way out of this matrix...

I mean, I get working everyday to survive but what we have now is just tyrannical!
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Understand the Civil Procedure in your respective country.

Every court must uphold the law of equity and it is admitted in their own rules.

Equity regards the beneficiary as the true owner

This starts to make a lot of sense when you begin to understand how Trust Law relates.
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You don't have to be independent of government they are suppose to be there for a beneficial reason to keep record.

The name is yours you own all of the equity in it the government is just holding onto it (title) legally for the rightful owner.

Prove it by showing the evidence of your Registration.
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Every Judge and Lawyer knows about this as part of their Job.

They know they are tricking you into agreeing to be prosecuted in Ignorance of the law, which they have full knowledge of and they get wages while doing it, so they have committed outright fraud.

Every Judge and every lawyer in the western world is an accessory to a crime, the same crime over and over. They agreed to be subject to those laws when they became a Judge.

If we make a formal complaint and have them tried there would be no Honest Judge in the western world who would be able to preside over the cases.

We would have to send them to the Muslim courts where they would get the death penalty.

That is what we do. If you want to Win that is what we do, prove the Law and Servants of the Law were all committing fraud by not giving full discourse of the law and how it works. They obtained advantage by doing so which was allowed them to commit fraud and profit off the process.
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Re: Sovereign Citizens Movement. Freemen of the land. Common law.
What do you think about all these freeman movements. And common law etc?

To be an independent of the government.

Some of there beliefs seem quite interesting.

I wonder if a new movement that brings only the best things of the movement should be established. Where people are encouraged to self govern themselves.

Changing society for the better. As I believe that governments are more a corporate model these days. And really are not interested in the overall welfare and edification of each person.

What do you think? I am keenly interested in your comments. Thank you.
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just like the story about how you dont have to pay taxes either, give it a try.
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You have to be smart like Donald Trump. tounge
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I think it's not to be extreme. But by knowing our rights. With the vision of being good to one another. I believe that the governments abuse there powers and often violate the rights of the people.

Its almost like no one knows the laws anymore.

And it's not like the government would educate people about the law. If anything they take advantage of people's rights. Because people don't know there rights. With the vision of being polite and courteous of course.
 Quoting: Hyper Star


I have women's rights. The other day this transgender says I don't have transgender rights because I'm a woman.tounge
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also if you truly believe in those movements, should you not be using their currency?
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Ultimately. However fiat currency is so prevalent, one cannot be reasonably expected to avoid it altogether.
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also if you truly believe in those movements, should you not be using their currency?
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Personally I use mainly cryptocurrencies. As I don't believe in the Fiat centralized currency system.
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How come you don't believe in the fiat? Did you buy your crypto with Fiat?
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What do you think about all these freeman movements. And common law etc?

To be an independent of the government.

Some of there beliefs seem quite interesting.

I wonder if a new movement that brings only the best things of the movement should be established. Where people are encouraged to self govern themselves.

Changing society for the better. As I believe that governments are more a corporate model these days. And really are not interested in the overall welfare and edification of each person.

What do you think? I am keenly interested in your comments. Thank you.
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Operating outside of the satanic corporation system is our ticket out of this mess. Common law is based on natural law, indigenous law and equity.

Absolutely yes, more people should learn (re-learn) these basics, and reconnect to the Earth, and our own inner guidance.
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OP is "keenly interested"
in you outing yourself as a "Sovereign"...
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There is so much BS in these 'movements'.

I've been studying this for 10 years. I got myself out of prison doing it. It's real. But no, I don't think 999/1000 other people in this 'movement' could do what I did, they're all talk, because they don't actually read law books. They haven't studied blackstone, broom, edward coke, francis bacon, read books on contract law, trust law, maxims of law, torts, civil procedure, historical cases, proper research of statutes, etc.

Let me tell you, 99% of the crap in these 'movements' in utter horseshit. There are so many dumbass theories, many of which were probably invented by the government itself, to keep you blind.

Yes, there's a 'personhood' status. It's not what they think it is. It's a legal fiction invented to put you into the world of contracts. It binds man and law via contract. The law can't interact with man, it can only interact with obligation.

If you have an obligation, and you breach it, you're in the realm of law. Trusts are just another form of contract, and can be obviated by your agreement to another implied or express contract. The world is a neverending contract modification.

My advice: Lay low, and only use this stuff if you need to.

Then, if needed, you can ask what mutuality of consideration was being exchanged at the time of 'breach' and under what duty you were if you never received mutual benefit.

Hint: They'll say it's your legal name. Your name implies your adherence to statute. Well, your legal entity will have the obligation either way, and the court views it as an attachable fiction (vessel-like entity) which can be seized and made to pay without the man acting as its master. It's a commercial and admiralty rule. When they put you in prison, they imprison the legal entity, the vessel, the commercial entity, the obligation, the 'person'. These terms are interchangeable.

Now.. before the skeptics come in, not everything is in admiralty. The federal government also has jurisdiction over commerce, which runs parallel to admiralty.

So you go to court. You are presumed to have a 'debt'. You owe a 'debt to society'. The best move is to ask to extinguish the debt in another manner as you never received all of the benefits, and you put alot more into this relationship than they pretend to. After all, it all comes from you, right?

If they don't allow it they are precluding you from your right to freely contract. There's alot of ways you can go with this.. but bills of exchange are one, proper 'acceptance' for value is another. The way it's taught online and in the redemption manual is horseshit. They don't understand the UCC nor do they understand basic concepts. Oh, and the UCC can be overridden by other acts of congress. So it too is not a catch-all. Nor is 'equity'. Contracts obviate equity.

Maxim: The contract makes the law.
That means that man can enter into contracts that obviate 'equity' and make it meaningless, as the man contracted into an agreement which may not be to his benefit. Solution: Modify the agreement!

There's alot more to it, but if you have a few years and thousands of hours to spend reading, digesting, and meditating on this you can win court - Although often they will make you 'lose', only to not imprison you for more than a few weeks, when they just threatened you with 5 years, lmfao. Or they'll issue you some bigass fine and just never bother to collect on it until it disappears. I've seen them do all kinds of funny shit. Remember they'll never let you 'win' on paper, but you'll walk away.

PS- there is no such thing as a 'sovereign', in law the state is sovereign. Man is not. Even the King of England is a legal entity presumed to be acting as the State itself. So when people say they're 'sovereign' it's a misnomer. 'Sovereign' in law means a political body or nation recognized in the international body of nations. That means at least one other legitimate country has to recognize you before you can go around saying you're 'sovereign'. How many of you 'sovereigns' have been recognized by a country in the UN? Lol.

Nah, better to be one of the 'people' of your state. Since the 'people' are the collective sovereign entities. Oh, but they gave that up when they became US citizens', aka subjects of the Washington, DC federal government, and not their state..

Good luck...
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Every Judge and Lawyer knows about this as part of their Job.

They know they are tricking you into agreeing to be prosecuted in Ignorance of the law, which they have full knowledge of and they get wages while doing it, so they have committed outright fraud.

Every Judge and every lawyer in the western world is an accessory to a crime, the same crime over and over. They agreed to be subject to those laws when they became a Judge.

If we make a formal complaint and have them tried there would be no Honest Judge in the western world who would be able to preside over the cases.

We would have to send them to the Muslim courts where they would get the death penalty.

That is what we do. If you want to Win that is what we do, prove the Law and Servants of the Law were all committing fraud by not giving full discourse of the law and how it works. They obtained advantage by doing so which was allowed them to commit fraud and profit off the process.
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That's not how any of this works...
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There is so much BS in these 'movements'.

I've been studying this for 10 years. I got myself out of prison doing it. It's real. But no, I don't think 999/1000 other people in this 'movement' could do what I did, they're all talk, because they don't actually read law books. They haven't studied blackstone, broom, edward coke, francis bacon, read books on contract law, trust law, maxims of law, torts, civil procedure, historical cases, proper research of statutes, etc.

Let me tell you, 99% of the crap in these 'movements' in utter horseshit. There are so many dumbass theories, many of which were probably invented by the government itself, to keep you blind.

Yes, there's a 'personhood' status. It's not what they think it is. It's a legal fiction invented to put you into the world of contracts. It binds man and law via contract. The law can't interact with man, it can only interact with obligation.

If you have an obligation, and you breach it, you're in the realm of law. Trusts are just another form of contract, and can be obviated by your agreement to another implied or express contract. The world is a neverending contract modification.

My advice: Lay low, and only use this stuff if you need to.

Then, if needed, you can ask what mutuality of consideration was being exchanged at the time of 'breach' and under what duty you were if you never received mutual benefit.

Hint: They'll say it's your legal name. Your name implies your adherence to statute. Well, your legal entity will have the obligation either way, and the court views it as an attachable fiction (vessel-like entity) which can be seized and made to pay without the man acting as its master. It's a commercial and admiralty rule. When they put you in prison, they imprison the legal entity, the vessel, the commercial entity, the obligation, the 'person'. These terms are interchangeable.

Now.. before the skeptics come in, not everything is in admiralty. The federal government also has jurisdiction over commerce, which runs parallel to admiralty.

So you go to court. You are presumed to have a 'debt'. You owe a 'debt to society'. The best move is to ask to extinguish the debt in another manner as you never received all of the benefits, and you put alot more into this relationship than they pretend to. After all, it all comes from you, right?

If they don't allow it they are precluding you from your right to freely contract. There's alot of ways you can go with this.. but bills of exchange are one, proper 'acceptance' for value is another. The way it's taught online and in the redemption manual is horseshit. They don't understand the UCC nor do they understand basic concepts. Oh, and the UCC can be overridden by other acts of congress. So it too is not a catch-all. Nor is 'equity'. Contracts obviate equity.

Maxim: The contract makes the law.
That means that man can enter into contracts that obviate 'equity' and make it meaningless, as the man contracted into an agreement which may not be to his benefit. Solution: Modify the agreement!

There's alot more to it, but if you have a few years and thousands of hours to spend reading, digesting, and meditating on this you can win court - Although often they will make you 'lose', only to not imprison you for more than a few weeks, when they just threatened you with 5 years, lmfao. Or they'll issue you some bigass fine and just never bother to collect on it until it disappears. I've seen them do all kinds of funny shit. Remember they'll never let you 'win' on paper, but you'll walk away.

PS- there is no such thing as a 'sovereign', in law the state is sovereign. Man is not. Even the King of England is a legal entity presumed to be acting as the State itself. So when people say they're 'sovereign' it's a misnomer. 'Sovereign' in law means a political body or nation recognized in the international body of nations. That means at least one other legitimate country has to recognize you before you can go around saying you're 'sovereign'. How many of you 'sovereigns' have been recognized by a country in the UN? Lol.

Nah, better to be one of the 'people' of your state. Since the 'people' are the collective sovereign entities. Oh, but they gave that up when they became US citizens', aka subjects of the Washington, DC federal government, and not their state..

Good luck...
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Nice. I know exactly what you are saying and it is exhausting to explain to someone new.
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also if you truly believe in those movements, should you not be using their currency?
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Personally I use mainly cryptocurrencies. As I don't believe in the Fiat centralized currency system.
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Why use any currencies just use barter, now that's fair trade
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if you dont want govt rule, dont look for govt help either, and dont use the utilities setup by the govt. how will you survive?
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Private enterprise... duhhh...
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There is so much BS in these 'movements'.

I've been studying this for 10 years. I got myself out of prison doing it. It's real. But no, I don't think 999/1000 other people in this 'movement' could do what I did, they're all talk, because they don't actually read law books. They haven't studied blackstone, broom, edward coke, francis bacon, read books on contract law, trust law, maxims of law, torts, civil procedure, historical cases, proper research of statutes, etc.

Let me tell you, 99% of the crap in these 'movements' in utter horseshit. There are so many dumbass theories, many of which were probably invented by the government itself, to keep you blind.

Yes, there's a 'personhood' status. It's not what they think it is. It's a legal fiction invented to put you into the world of contracts. It binds man and law via contract. The law can't interact with man, it can only interact with obligation.

If you have an obligation, and you breach it, you're in the realm of law. Trusts are just another form of contract, and can be obviated by your agreement to another implied or express contract. The world is a neverending contract modification.

My advice: Lay low, and only use this stuff if you need to.

Then, if needed, you can ask what mutuality of consideration was being exchanged at the time of 'breach' and under what duty you were if you never received mutual benefit.

Hint: They'll say it's your legal name. Your name implies your adherence to statute. Well, your legal entity will have the obligation either way, and the court views it as an attachable fiction (vessel-like entity) which can be seized and made to pay without the man acting as its master. It's a commercial and admiralty rule. When they put you in prison, they imprison the legal entity, the vessel, the commercial entity, the obligation, the 'person'. These terms are interchangeable.

Now.. before the skeptics come in, not everything is in admiralty. The federal government also has jurisdiction over commerce, which runs parallel to admiralty.

So you go to court. You are presumed to have a 'debt'. You owe a 'debt to society'. The best move is to ask to extinguish the debt in another manner as you never received all of the benefits, and you put alot more into this relationship than they pretend to. After all, it all comes from you, right?

If they don't allow it they are precluding you from your right to freely contract. There's alot of ways you can go with this.. but bills of exchange are one, proper 'acceptance' for value is another. The way it's taught online and in the redemption manual is horseshit. They don't understand the UCC nor do they understand basic concepts. Oh, and the UCC can be overridden by other acts of congress. So it too is not a catch-all. Nor is 'equity'. Contracts obviate equity.

Maxim: The contract makes the law.
That means that man can enter into contracts that obviate 'equity' and make it meaningless, as the man contracted into an agreement which may not be to his benefit. Solution: Modify the agreement!

There's alot more to it, but if you have a few years and thousands of hours to spend reading, digesting, and meditating on this you can win court - Although often they will make you 'lose', only to not imprison you for more than a few weeks, when they just threatened you with 5 years, lmfao. Or they'll issue you some bigass fine and just never bother to collect on it until it disappears. I've seen them do all kinds of funny shit. Remember they'll never let you 'win' on paper, but you'll walk away.

PS- there is no such thing as a 'sovereign', in law the state is sovereign. Man is not. Even the King of England is a legal entity presumed to be acting as the State itself. So when people say they're 'sovereign' it's a misnomer. 'Sovereign' in law means a political body or nation recognized in the international body of nations. That means at least one other legitimate country has to recognize you before you can go around saying you're 'sovereign'. How many of you 'sovereigns' have been recognized by a country in the UN? Lol.

Nah, better to be one of the 'people' of your state. Since the 'people' are the collective sovereign entities. Oh, but they gave that up when they became US citizens', aka subjects of the Washington, DC federal government, and not their state..

Good luck...
 Quoting: NLPAstrology


Someone teaching this stuff explained "Contract Law is the highest law."

However, I disagree. I believe 'Love' is the highest law - haha.

hf
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There is so much BS in these 'movements'.

I've been studying this for 10 years. I got myself out of prison doing it. It's real. But no, I don't think 999/1000 other people in this 'movement' could do what I did, they're all talk, because they don't actually read law books. They haven't studied blackstone, broom, edward coke, francis bacon, read books on contract law, trust law, maxims of law, torts, civil procedure, historical cases, proper research of statutes, etc.

Let me tell you, 99% of the crap in these 'movements' in utter horseshit. There are so many dumbass theories, many of which were probably invented by the government itself, to keep you blind.

Yes, there's a 'personhood' status. It's not what they think it is. It's a legal fiction invented to put you into the world of contracts. It binds man and law via contract. The law can't interact with man, it can only interact with obligation.

If you have an obligation, and you breach it, you're in the realm of law. Trusts are just another form of contract, and can be obviated by your agreement to another implied or express contract. The world is a neverending contract modification.

My advice: Lay low, and only use this stuff if you need to.

Then, if needed, you can ask what mutuality of consideration was being exchanged at the time of 'breach' and under what duty you were if you never received mutual benefit.

Hint: They'll say it's your legal name. Your name implies your adherence to statute. Well, your legal entity will have the obligation either way, and the court views it as an attachable fiction (vessel-like entity) which can be seized and made to pay without the man acting as its master. It's a commercial and admiralty rule. When they put you in prison, they imprison the legal entity, the vessel, the commercial entity, the obligation, the 'person'. These terms are interchangeable.

Now.. before the skeptics come in, not everything is in admiralty. The federal government also has jurisdiction over commerce, which runs parallel to admiralty.

So you go to court. You are presumed to have a 'debt'. You owe a 'debt to society'. The best move is to ask to extinguish the debt in another manner as you never received all of the benefits, and you put alot more into this relationship than they pretend to. After all, it all comes from you, right?

If they don't allow it they are precluding you from your right to freely contract. There's alot of ways you can go with this.. but bills of exchange are one, proper 'acceptance' for value is another. The way it's taught online and in the redemption manual is horseshit. They don't understand the UCC nor do they understand basic concepts. Oh, and the UCC can be overridden by other acts of congress. So it too is not a catch-all. Nor is 'equity'. Contracts obviate equity.

Maxim: The contract makes the law.
That means that man can enter into contracts that obviate 'equity' and make it meaningless, as the man contracted into an agreement which may not be to his benefit. Solution: Modify the agreement!

There's alot more to it, but if you have a few years and thousands of hours to spend reading, digesting, and meditating on this you can win court - Although often they will make you 'lose', only to not imprison you for more than a few weeks, when they just threatened you with 5 years, lmfao. Or they'll issue you some bigass fine and just never bother to collect on it until it disappears. I've seen them do all kinds of funny shit. Remember they'll never let you 'win' on paper, but you'll walk away.

PS- there is no such thing as a 'sovereign', in law the state is sovereign. Man is not. Even the King of England is a legal entity presumed to be acting as the State itself. So when people say they're 'sovereign' it's a misnomer. 'Sovereign' in law means a political body or nation recognized in the international body of nations. That means at least one other legitimate country has to recognize you before you can go around saying you're 'sovereign'. How many of you 'sovereigns' have been recognized by a country in the UN? Lol.

Nah, better to be one of the 'people' of your state. Since the 'people' are the collective sovereign entities. Oh, but they gave that up when they became US citizens', aka subjects of the Washington, DC federal government, and not their state..

Good luck...
 Quoting: NLPAstrology


Someone teaching this stuff explained "Contract Law is the highest law."

However, I disagree. I believe 'Love' is the highest law - haha.

hf
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Natural Law is the highest law, I suppose it could include 'love thy neighbor'.

Think of it as 'man with a clean slate'. Man with no obligations and no debt. 'Love' indeed.

Now, the catch is that same man can enter into agreements with other men, presumably accepting new benefits in that agreement, but which then makes him obligated to that agreement and the other man, giving up his natural rights of a clean slate.

Make sense?

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There is so much BS in these 'movements'.

I've been studying this for 10 years. I got myself out of prison doing it. It's real. But no, I don't think 999/1000 other people in this 'movement' could do what I did, they're all talk, because they don't actually read law books. They haven't studied blackstone, broom, edward coke, francis bacon, read books on contract law, trust law, maxims of law, torts, civil procedure, historical cases, proper research of statutes, etc.

Let me tell you, 99% of the crap in these 'movements' in utter horseshit. There are so many dumbass theories, many of which were probably invented by the government itself, to keep you blind.

Yes, there's a 'personhood' status. It's not what they think it is. It's a legal fiction invented to put you into the world of contracts. It binds man and law via contract. The law can't interact with man, it can only interact with obligation.

If you have an obligation, and you breach it, you're in the realm of law. Trusts are just another form of contract, and can be obviated by your agreement to another implied or express contract. The world is a neverending contract modification.

My advice: Lay low, and only use this stuff if you need to.

Then, if needed, you can ask what mutuality of consideration was being exchanged at the time of 'breach' and under what duty you were if you never received mutual benefit.

Hint: They'll say it's your legal name. Your name implies your adherence to statute. Well, your legal entity will have the obligation either way, and the court views it as an attachable fiction (vessel-like entity) which can be seized and made to pay without the man acting as its master. It's a commercial and admiralty rule. When they put you in prison, they imprison the legal entity, the vessel, the commercial entity, the obligation, the 'person'. These terms are interchangeable.

Now.. before the skeptics come in, not everything is in admiralty. The federal government also has jurisdiction over commerce, which runs parallel to admiralty.

So you go to court. You are presumed to have a 'debt'. You owe a 'debt to society'. The best move is to ask to extinguish the debt in another manner as you never received all of the benefits, and you put alot more into this relationship than they pretend to. After all, it all comes from you, right?

If they don't allow it they are precluding you from your right to freely contract. There's alot of ways you can go with this.. but bills of exchange are one, proper 'acceptance' for value is another. The way it's taught online and in the redemption manual is horseshit. They don't understand the UCC nor do they understand basic concepts. Oh, and the UCC can be overridden by other acts of congress. So it too is not a catch-all. Nor is 'equity'. Contracts obviate equity.

Maxim: The contract makes the law.
That means that man can enter into contracts that obviate 'equity' and make it meaningless, as the man contracted into an agreement which may not be to his benefit. Solution: Modify the agreement!

There's alot more to it, but if you have a few years and thousands of hours to spend reading, digesting, and meditating on this you can win court - Although often they will make you 'lose', only to not imprison you for more than a few weeks, when they just threatened you with 5 years, lmfao. Or they'll issue you some bigass fine and just never bother to collect on it until it disappears. I've seen them do all kinds of funny shit. Remember they'll never let you 'win' on paper, but you'll walk away.

PS- there is no such thing as a 'sovereign', in law the state is sovereign. Man is not. Even the King of England is a legal entity presumed to be acting as the State itself. So when people say they're 'sovereign' it's a misnomer. 'Sovereign' in law means a political body or nation recognized in the international body of nations. That means at least one other legitimate country has to recognize you before you can go around saying you're 'sovereign'. How many of you 'sovereigns' have been recognized by a country in the UN? Lol.

Nah, better to be one of the 'people' of your state. Since the 'people' are the collective sovereign entities. Oh, but they gave that up when they became US citizens', aka subjects of the Washington, DC federal government, and not their state..

Good luck...
 Quoting: NLPAstrology




Contract Law is the amalgamation of Natural Law but where does your remedy lie?

There must be a valuable consideration from all parties for there to be a valid contract otherwise that is involuntary servitude unless you consent to give it all away to
charity.

The Equity is the Value

You do not seem to have a good sense of remedy if your solution is to just "lay low".

They know everything about us so we might as well fight like hell.
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OP is "keenly interested"
in you outing yourself as a "Sovereign"...
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Perhaps he's a slave and does not have freewill. And his life has been predetermined tounge
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Every Judge and Lawyer knows about this as part of their Job.

They know they are tricking you into agreeing to be prosecuted in Ignorance of the law, which they have full knowledge of and they get wages while doing it, so they have committed outright fraud.

Every Judge and every lawyer in the western world is an accessory to a crime, the same crime over and over. They agreed to be subject to those laws when they became a Judge.

If we make a formal complaint and have them tried there would be no Honest Judge in the western world who would be able to preside over the cases.

We would have to send them to the Muslim courts where they would get the death penalty.

That is what we do. If you want to Win that is what we do, prove the Law and Servants of the Law were all committing fraud by not giving full discourse of the law and how it works. They obtained advantage by doing so which was allowed them to commit fraud and profit off the process.
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There is so much BS in these 'movements'.

I've been studying this for 10 years. I got myself out of prison doing it. It's real. But no, I don't think 999/1000 other people in this 'movement' could do what I did, they're all talk, because they don't actually read law books. They haven't studied blackstone, broom, edward coke, francis bacon, read books on contract law, trust law, maxims of law, torts, civil procedure, historical cases, proper research of statutes, etc.

Let me tell you, 99% of the crap in these 'movements' in utter horseshit. There are so many dumbass theories, many of which were probably invented by the government itself, to keep you blind.

Yes, there's a 'personhood' status. It's not what they think it is. It's a legal fiction invented to put you into the world of contracts. It binds man and law via contract. The law can't interact with man, it can only interact with obligation.

If you have an obligation, and you breach it, you're in the realm of law. Trusts are just another form of contract, and can be obviated by your agreement to another implied or express contract. The world is a neverending contract modification.

My advice: Lay low, and only use this stuff if you need to.

Then, if needed, you can ask what mutuality of consideration was being exchanged at the time of 'breach' and under what duty you were if you never received mutual benefit.

Hint: They'll say it's your legal name. Your name implies your adherence to statute. Well, your legal entity will have the obligation either way, and the court views it as an attachable fiction (vessel-like entity) which can be seized and made to pay without the man acting as its master. It's a commercial and admiralty rule. When they put you in prison, they imprison the legal entity, the vessel, the commercial entity, the obligation, the 'person'. These terms are interchangeable.

Now.. before the skeptics come in, not everything is in admiralty. The federal government also has jurisdiction over commerce, which runs parallel to admiralty.

So you go to court. You are presumed to have a 'debt'. You owe a 'debt to society'. The best move is to ask to extinguish the debt in another manner as you never received all of the benefits, and you put alot more into this relationship than they pretend to. After all, it all comes from you, right?

If they don't allow it they are precluding you from your right to freely contract. There's alot of ways you can go with this.. but bills of exchange are one, proper 'acceptance' for value is another. The way it's taught online and in the redemption manual is horseshit. They don't understand the UCC nor do they understand basic concepts. Oh, and the UCC can be overridden by other acts of congress. So it too is not a catch-all. Nor is 'equity'. Contracts obviate equity.

Maxim: The contract makes the law.
That means that man can enter into contracts that obviate 'equity' and make it meaningless, as the man contracted into an agreement which may not be to his benefit. Solution: Modify the agreement!

There's alot more to it, but if you have a few years and thousands of hours to spend reading, digesting, and meditating on this you can win court - Although often they will make you 'lose', only to not imprison you for more than a few weeks, when they just threatened you with 5 years, lmfao. Or they'll issue you some bigass fine and just never bother to collect on it until it disappears. I've seen them do all kinds of funny shit. Remember they'll never let you 'win' on paper, but you'll walk away.

PS- there is no such thing as a 'sovereign', in law the state is sovereign. Man is not. Even the King of England is a legal entity presumed to be acting as the State itself. So when people say they're 'sovereign' it's a misnomer. 'Sovereign' in law means a political body or nation recognized in the international body of nations. That means at least one other legitimate country has to recognize you before you can go around saying you're 'sovereign'. How many of you 'sovereigns' have been recognized by a country in the UN? Lol.

Nah, better to be one of the 'people' of your state. Since the 'people' are the collective sovereign entities. Oh, but they gave that up when they became US citizens', aka subjects of the Washington, DC federal government, and not their state..

Good luck...
 Quoting: NLPAstrology




Contract Law is the amalgamation of Natural Law but where does your remedy lie?

There must be a valuable consideration from all parties for there to be a valid contract otherwise that is involuntary servitude unless you consent to give it all away to
charity.

The Equity is the Value

You do not seem to have a good sense of remedy if your solution is to just "lay low".

They know everything about us so we might as well fight like hell.
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Nah. if you're crying about 'remedy' I can tell you've never done this for real. Like most here they're keyboard warriors and not real life. There's no 'magic word' that will get you out of trouble. The law is maleable if you know enough of it. That's all there is to it.

Equity is not 'value'. It is fairness. Contracts aren't an amalgamation, they're a sublimation. Yes there must be mutuality of consideration in a contract or it's unconscionable and potentially voidable. That's an angel, but when the judge shuts you down and ignores your paperwork then what? That's where talent and resilience comes in.

But as the maxim states: an error not resisted is approved.

You get what you merit. Start some, there will most certainly be some. Learn to modify expectation in agreement.

If you are looking for a fight, you're contracting into the obligation that comes with that fight.
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if you dont want govt rule, dont look for govt help either, and dont use the utilities setup by the govt. how will you survive?
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this!

Too include driving a car on the highway or roads that our taxes paid for.

every interaction i have seen has been on bodycams during traffic stops. Basically they act like total assholes automatically and as such, fuck them. the premise sounds nice but they are in fact citizens of the US, just like the rest of us and are held to the same standard.
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Pure political/economic ideologies all seem to come up short. The sovereign citizen movement seems no different.

But there is something good in all of them, with the possible exception of communism (though in theory it seems great).

It seems good for the individual to enjoy superiority over government right up to the edge of another individuals rights. After all, government was instituted by us to serve us. Not to rule over us.

Government exists to fix pot holes in the road, clean the streets, etc. They are not empowered to legislate our rights. We dictate to them.





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