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Russian State Media: Ukraine tells EU leaders: Prepare for War. P. 2864 EU Official: Russia shifts war's focus to NATO and the West

 
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
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Wow.

Just...wow.
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
John Stuart Mill
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Is it weird that this ramping up appears to be happening at a snails pace. Is the pace conditioning people to tacitly accept the inevitability of this escalating into a wider war.

Or, was it inevitable since March of last year that it would lead to larger conflict.

I'm leaning towards the latter as there just never was a question of leaving Ukraine up for grabs to the Russian megalomaniac as it's a given he won't stop there.
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Is it weird that this ramping up appears to be happening at a snails pace. Is the pace conditioning people to tacitly accept the inevitability of this escalating into a wider war.

Or, was it inevitable since March of last year that it would lead to larger conflict.

I'm leaning towards the latter as there just never was a question of leaving Ukraine up for grabs to the Russian megalomaniac as it's a given he won't stop there.
 Quoting: 3abzzybee


We are used to microwave dinners and stories that are all over in two to three hours.
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War doesn't work like that.

WWI FOUR YEARS

WW2 SIX YEARS

VIETNAM TEN YEARS

GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR TWENTY+ YEARS


So...who knows?
Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
John Stuart Mill
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DAY 331 OF PUTIN'S WAR


AND WE MAY JUST BE AT THE BEGINNING STILL

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Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
John Stuart Mill
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Vladimir Putin annually takes a dip in freezing water during the Epiphany holiday in Russia. The act is usually video recorded or publicized using photo material, supposedly to showcase the Russian President’s vitality.

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Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
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No more polar bear club for Mr. Putin.
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"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
John Stuart Mill
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Is it weird that this ramping up appears to be happening at a snails pace. Is the pace conditioning people to tacitly accept the inevitability of this escalating into a wider war.

Or, was it inevitable since March of last year that it would lead to larger conflict.

I'm leaning towards the latter as there just never was a question of leaving Ukraine up for grabs to the Russian megalomaniac as it's a given he won't stop there.
 Quoting: 3abzzybee


We are used to microwave dinners and stories that are all over in two to three hours.
.
War doesn't work like that.

WWI FOUR YEARS

WW2 SIX YEARS

VIETNAM TEN YEARS

GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR TWENTY+ YEARS


So...who knows?
 Quoting: Tiger Blood


I see yor point, guess I'm just used to see a problem, calculate the requirements for possible solutions and implement the one most likely to succeed with reasonable inputs.
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Is it weird that this ramping up appears to be happening at a snails pace. Is the pace conditioning people to tacitly accept the inevitability of this escalating into a wider war.

Or, was it inevitable since March of last year that it would lead to larger conflict.

I'm leaning towards the latter as there just never was a question of leaving Ukraine up for grabs to the Russian megalomaniac as it's a given he won't stop there.
 Quoting: 3abzzybee


We are used to microwave dinners and stories that are all over in two to three hours.
.
War doesn't work like that.

WWI FOUR YEARS

WW2 SIX YEARS

VIETNAM TEN YEARS

GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR TWENTY+ YEARS


So...who knows?
 Quoting: Tiger Blood


I see yor point, guess I'm just used to see a problem, calculate the requirements for possible solutions and implement the one most likely to succeed with reasonable inputs.
 Quoting: 3abzzybee


War is not logical.


It is not the product of logical thought processes.


It is the product of the absence of logic and reason.


And it follows its own course which does not obey the dictates of reason.


If it were rational it would short, ephemeral or non-existent altogether.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
John Stuart Mill
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All war is the product of misperception.

Putin's war is no exception.
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"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
John Stuart Mill
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
John Stuart Mill
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Is it weird that this ramping up appears to be happening at a snails pace. Is the pace conditioning people to tacitly accept the inevitability of this escalating into a wider war.

Or, was it inevitable since March of last year that it would lead to larger conflict.

I'm leaning towards the latter as there just never was a question of leaving Ukraine up for grabs to the Russian megalomaniac as it's a given he won't stop there.
 Quoting: 3abzzybee


We are used to microwave dinners and stories that are all over in two to three hours.
.
War doesn't work like that.

WWI FOUR YEARS

WW2 SIX YEARS

VIETNAM TEN YEARS

GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR TWENTY+ YEARS


So...who knows?
 Quoting: Tiger Blood


I see yor point, guess I'm just used to see a problem, calculate the requirements for possible solutions and implement the one most likely to succeed with reasonable inputs.
 Quoting: 3abzzybee


War is not logical.


It is not the product of logical thought processes.


It is the product of the absence of logic and reason.


And it follows its own course which does not obey the dictates of reason.


If it were rational it would short, ephemeral or non-existent altogether.
 Quoting: Tiger Blood


Extended warfare is always irrational.

That is Sun Tzu 101
Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
John Stuart Mill
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It is also Freud 101
Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
John Stuart Mill
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Moscow. The mothers of the mobilized, about 50% of the volunteers, complain to Putin that during the two months they were not necessarily secured, the most necessary things were bought at their own expense by close relatives and friends. The women remained silent until the men began to die or disappear. WHOLE FAMILIES HAVE INVESTED IN WAR

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Moscow. The mothers of the mobilized, about 50% of the volunteers, complain to Putin that during the two months they were not necessarily secured, the most necessary things were bought at their own expense by close relatives and friends. The women remained silent until the men began to die or disappear. WHOLE FAMILIES HAVE INVESTED IN WAR

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It is an investment that never pays dividend for the masses...only the elite.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
John Stuart Mill
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Now that's deep... chuckle
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Yep


FCKPTN
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"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
John Stuart Mill
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
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Dietrich Bonhoeffer: “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing."
John Stuart Mill





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