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Working on a paper called Drugs and Dreams Don't Mix.

 
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So tired of people always associating Dreams with drug use, it's a cultural influence and quite often can damage the brain which further stigmatizes dreaming which is a natural neurological process and important for so many important reasons.

Check this article I wrote on why sleep is important.
Thread: Why healthy sleep is important for learning, memory, cognitive health, and dreams.

I've always frowned on bad advice from people who don't understand dreaming as a developmental skill and often recommend bad dreaming advice like a slap on a nicotine patch, or do some narcotic, or take a medical treatment like galantamine when simply just developing dreaming as a skill to have dreams is what most people outside of these influences do, and it is how any skill develops.

Not only is it costly to buy stimulants, neurotropic, psychotropic medicines, and narcotics, but some can also cause serious long-term problems with sleep and dreams. I cover the surface of these in my fourth course but now I want to get serious about the misconceptions about drug use for dreaming when alternatives like developing it as a skill naturally are equally if not more effective and beneficial, especially for the long-term when all of us face cognitive decline with dreams as we age.

Of course, for medical clinical purposes, these are fine. I'm talking about when they are sought for because they have some bump in dream-effects and people who don't need them take them on the bad advice of the Internet. I'm all for medicinal uses when required, just not for uses if no clinical reason exists to do so. It's a big misconception that we need to take anything other than nutritional food, excessive and maybe natural supplements (even those can be debated) for healthy cognition and dream development. Only if other underlying issues that require clinical intervention should that be sought on the advice of a medical professional, not a non-scientifically minded influencer with a youtube channel bandwagoning every dream-drug trend because dreaming does have an interest for many people.

For a very long time, I've been aware of the risks/benefits of medicines and drugs when it relates to sleep and dreams. It's a question that comes up often when I have talks and discussions, and always my answer is unless clinical, they aren't needed. Always try to work with natural sleep, natural dreaming patterns and focus on the development of functional dreaming. It's just a little hump for most people if they finally figure out its just practice, routine, and training to develop dreaming as a skill.

There are three areas that I'll focus on where drugs can impact our sleep/dream cycle.

Premeditate Sleep

Drug-induced hypnagogic disorders

Sleep

Drug-induced REM disorders
Drug-induced REM behavioral disorders
Substance-induced nightmare disorders

Post Sleep

Drug-induced hypnopompic disorders

I've helped people by providing information on how to overcome nightmares and quite often the link for them is some type of substance use. For most, it's an embedded fear. Others it's latent PTSD that's embedded. I believe these can be alleviated to some degree with knowing how to dream. Self-help can only go so far, as some conditions are clinical but we all cope with anxiety, stress, fear, depression and if we manage this before it becomes clinical then it's good to know what is available.

I'm all for healthy dreaming and sure I wrap it up as a type of art-form and entertainment with my interests of having playful gamified dreams. But that's me, I like making dreaming fun for myself. I've seen even in my own dreams how alcohol can vastly distort and affect dream content. Once I had a codeine pain-killer and that was a mess so I'll never take codeine medicine as a result of the impact on my dreams. Even weed vastly disrupted and distorted the way I dream like Alcohol I've quit those substances 12 years ago even though my use was limited, alcohol/weed was social my friends/family were big drinkers and it taught me the fragile balance of healthy dreaming when exposed to stimulants. Now I just drink coffee, but let the effects wear off before sleep. Coffee as a stimulant can interrupt REM cycles and if you read the above-linked article you might consider why a healthy approach to dream development is probably the right choice for anyone.

Sometimes I wonder if people really know what a fully functional stable dream practice is like when there are no hallucinatory qualities, the dream is stable and even the premeditated sleep is balanced, beautiful, and scenic. Comparing that to a hallucinatory style experience is entirely different.

I don't view the hippocampal replay of a stable memory as a hallucination. Nor a visual idea that is stable as hallucinatory. I know the difference between hallucination and thinking in a coherent focused manner.

Many people like myself who have been in this idea of simply participating in the dreaming process often toss away anything that distorts or impedes the experience. Drug-free healthy dreams, Drug-free healthy life. I'll post it once it's all compiled. So far looks very, very daunting a project but likely invaluable as a resource for the non-clinical people using them for the sake of dreams.
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I smoke marijuana and still have dreams. Sometimes they're pretty intense, but not frequently.

You just need to learn to let go.

That's all.
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Alcohol prevents REM sleep, so a long time heavy user will have very intense and vivid dreams when stopping cold turkey...sometimes they turn to nightmares...
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Re: Working on a paper called Drugs and Dreams Don't Mix.
I smoke marijuana and still have dreams. Sometimes they're pretty intense, but not frequently.

You just need to learn to let go.

That's all.
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This covers a wide spectrum of drugs including pharmaceuticals which can be a very REM busting problem for development with dreaming. See if any you take on the list?

Here is just one of the disorders:
Drug Induced REM Disorder

Stimulants
Amphetamines
Methylphenindate
Modafinil
Pemoline
Xanthene
Caffeine
Theophylline
CNS Stimulants.
Effects On Sleep:
Stimulants increase wakefulness
Decrease total sleep time
Slow wave sleep
Increase sleep latency
Dependancy & Withdrawl

Hypnotics and Sedatives
Benzodiazepines
Effects On Sleep:
Agonists of the GABA A receptor
Aresedating
Increase stage 2 sleep and sleep spindles
Reduce sleep latency
Increase sleep continuity
reduce REM and slow wave sleep.
Sleep disruption and fragmentation
Dependancy & Withdrawl
rebound insomnia

Antidepressants
Tricyclic Antidepressants (TCA’s)
Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI’s)
Serotonin Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitors (SNRI’s)
Effects On Sleep:
Tricyclics (TCA)
prevent reuptake of:
Serotonin
Norepinephrine
Reducing sleep latency
increasing sleep continuity.
Reduce REM sleep
Periodic leg movements
Sedation
antagonism at
α1
M1
H1 receptors.
TCA Drug Compounds:
Imipramine
Amitryptiline
Nortryptiline
Serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRI)
Insomnia
Induce vivid dreams
Increasing sleep latency and
Decreasing sleep continuity
Serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SNRI’s ).
Citalopram
Decreases REM sleep.
insomnia
Fluoxetine
Prevents Reuptake of Serotonin
Prevents reuptake of Norepinephrine
Stimulates 5-HT2C receptors
Fluoxetine
Decreases slow wave sleep,
REM sleep
Sleep continuity
Sertaline and Paroxetin
Sleep latency is increased
Both will also reduce REM sleep.

Venlafaxine
Inhibits reuptake
Serotonin
Norepinephrine
Dopamine
Reduces sleep continuity
Slow – wave sleep and REM sleep

Antipsychotics
Aripiprazole
Effects On Sleep:
Insomnia
Clozapine and olanzapine
Effects On Sleep:
Sedating
Impairs performance.
Increase sleep continuity
Decrease sleep latency
Secrease total REM sleep

Anxiolytics
Benzodiazepines
Effects On Sleep:
uniformly sedating
Decrease sleep latency
slow -wave sleep and REM sleep
increase stage 2 sleep
Increase sleep continuity
Agonism of GABA-A receptor
Anxiolytics Drug Compounds:
Alprazolam
Lorazepam

Antiepileptic
Effects On Sleep
Phenytoin Sodium
Sodium Channel Blocker
Sedating properties
Reduces REM sleep
Increasing the NREM phase
Reduced sleep onset time
Carbamazepine i
Norepinephrine agonist
Partial adenosine agonist
Decreases sleep latency and REM sleep
Increases sleep continuity and slow wave sleep

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Alcohol prevents REM sleep, so a long time heavy user will have very intense and vivid dreams when stopping cold turkey...sometimes they turn to nightmares...
 Quoting: BRIEF


It's a pretty big offender, I had to quit 12 years ago in favor of good dreams.
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I use drugs in order not to dream. I really don't like how dreaming feels.
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So all those folks in colorado arent dreaming.they seem pretty happy to me.
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Drug dreams are some of the most profound. I think you just have a stick in your ass because you suck at sleeping
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Re: Working on a paper called Drugs and Dreams Don't Mix.
Yeah, but have you ever taken a new drug INSIDE the dream? Shit goes Bonkers. Good Morning, Sunday morning type shit.
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Re: Working on a paper called Drugs and Dreams Don't Mix.
I just send a mental message up to the high source, or God as some like to refer to, when I want to dream. Unless I‘ve been drinking, he usually entertains me. Earlier this week I saw Venus, and got taken on a tour... Strange shit sometimes lol. Seriously, is it not that simple for everyone?
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Dreaming about drugs is so much better.
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Re: Working on a paper called Drugs and Dreams Don't Mix.
I just send a mental message up to the high source, or God as some like to refer to, when I want to dream. Unless I‘ve been drinking, he usually entertains me. Earlier this week I saw Venus, and got taken on a tour... Strange shit sometimes lol. Seriously, is it not that simple for everyone?
 Quoting: Limestone Plato


Many have stunted their ability to dream, the development is lost to atrophy a gift wasted and lost to amnesiac sleep.






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