The Great Tribulation is Not Wrath - Rapture End Times - KJV Bible Study

Servant of God - I agree with your interpretation of the scripture!

I tried to explain it to a few people with scripture that supports it, as you have, and I get the same responses.

I’ve proven this to OP in other threads before he’s no interest in learning anything but quote walls of scripture in an attempt to deceive. Here you go OP, read this thread and don’t be left behind the rapture is God’s word and dates back to the Latin Vulgate. Will answer any questions you may have although I know you won’t read any of it. It’s God’s word, the scripture is real, the rapture is real and soon. Harpazo friend, Harpazo. Stop using all your time to deceive people.

Thread: Harpazo, the Rapture is real and let’s just clear this up once and for all

NONSENSE. Pre-Trib is deception.

Thread: THERE WILL BE NO PRE TRIB RAPTURE..here is why..IF you have the guts to read it.

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Thread: The Great Tribulation is Not Wrath - Rapture End Times - KJV Bible Study

NO, I'm not doing the wrong thing believing in deliverance of those who watch and believe as we are instructed to do. I know God and God knows me and whatever the truth is, that is what I want. Do you have the baptism of the holy spirit? It's not a religious concept, you know. If you do, then you hear directly from the Lord and he instructs and informs. I'm telling you, I have direct interaction many years that includes the truth of the snatching away at the end of days and since I get that from Almighty God himself, why on earth should I listen to your dissent? There is a God who reveals secrets to those who want to know. All I can tell you is you should ask and get your own information, really, and don't trust any person to tell you what truth is.

The biggest problem is your's (and others), failed understanding of Mat24:29. the "Immediately after the tribulation of those days" requires the context of the previous verses.

It is not about the tribulation in whole but only about part of it.
The NIV makes it more clear: 29 “Immediately after the distress of those days."

All your babbling means nothing unless you address the scriptural issues.

1. No scripture states that Believers / "the Church" will miss Tribulation.

2. No scripture states that Jesus returns BEFORE "the day of the Lord".

3. No scripture states that Jesus returns MORE than once.

4. No scripture states that Jesus takes "the Church" to heaven for any period of time.

5. No scripture states that Tribulation only happens to the Hebrews.

Jesus clearly states that it will encompase the entire Earth.

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Pre-Trib believers would have us believe that even though Christians have been going through various tribulation for the last 2000 years that we won't have to go through the Great Tribulation.

That makes no Biblical nor historical sense.

Show us the verse that says Jesus returns more than once.

You can't. It doesn't exist.

The context of Matthew 24 is about the End Times and Jesus' Return - the Second Coming.

Go look at the other topics I've done about this. The links are above in this thread.

Matthew 24 King James Version

1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tri-***clans***-bes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

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32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

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35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

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38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 05/28/2022 08:01 PM

So you read nothing in my link as I said you wouldn’t and you learned nothing as I assumed. Carry on friend being deceived and spouting lies. Pretty pathetic.

I can though, the problem is you’re completely missing the context of the scripture. Jesus does only return once, and that is at the very end of the age when He sits atop the Mt. of Olives to commence judgment and every knee then shall bow.

What you fail to understand either unknowingly or purposefully is the fact that Jesus coming in the “air” doesn’t mean returning to earth, it’s means what the scripture says, true followers will meet the Lord in the air.

This is what kills your argument. Jesus coming in the air to rescue his bride means he doesn’t come to the physical earth, he comes in the air. This is before his second return after the tribulation. Please understand this very important concept. Also, actually read the Harpazo link I left you and understand the word’s meaning, t’s usage in scripture, and how it applies to the rapture. It’s very clear.

The "Rapture' is the First Resurrection from Revelation.

'At the Last tump' isn't BEFORE the Tribulation.

Thread: Pre-Trib Rapture? How Does the Last Trump Happen BEFORE that? - KJV Bible Sutdy

NONSENSE.

No scripture says that Jesus returns more than once.

No scripture says that 'the bride' / 'the church' gets taken to Heaven nor misses the Tribulation.

You people write reams of paragraphs making statements but have NO bonafide plain language scripture that proves ANYTHING about a 'Pre-Trib' event.

Give it a fookin' rest.

You give it a “fookin” rest. You’re completely wrong and you start these threads daily titled “Bible study” with walls of links and the last thing you yourself want to do is to study or learn. You’re going against God’s word.

The last time I challenged you with honest scripture you told me that you talked to God and if there is a rapture (you said if there is a rapture because you know deep down there is), you told him you want to be left behind. If you deny that you typed that you’re a liar. You have no clue what you’re talking about and you’re misleading people in the process. Very Christian of you using implying the f’ word as well btw.

You sir are the one who needs to give it a rest and learn something. You won’t even view the Harpazo thread because it annihilates your weak argument which isn’t even an argument to begin with if you actually read the scripture. That Harpazo thread proves the rapture back to the Latin Vulgate which outdates the AKJV but I know you’re not worried about that.

You’ll just make another useless thread like this one in the next day or two spouting the same nonsense leading others astray. Pretty sad.

Paragraph after paragraph of rhetoric...

...and not ONE Bible verse.

NO scripture shows a Pre-Trib Rapture. All you have are statements like....

'This verse means....'
'That verse shows....'

You're version of Bible Study is reading what the pastors TELL you to read. Nothing more. When you're done you nod your head and say amen.

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1 Thessalonians 4

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


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1. Notice that Verses 16 & 17 are pretty much EXACTLY what Jesus says in the Gospel descriptions.


Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all***clans*** of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.


2. Then notice how Paul's verses 15 & 17 match....


Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Elect on Earth during the Great Tribulation.

Matthew 24

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

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Compare Matthew 24 to Revelation 6.

Anyone notice how these 2 verses match?
'AAfter the tribulation' - the sixth seal,

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days

shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light,
and the stars shall fall from heaven,

and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Revelation 6

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and

the sun became black as
sackcloth of hair,
and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth,

even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 05/31/2022 01:11 AM

When the sun is darkened, it means that there will be no more revelation of Jesus to the world who Mal 4 calls the "Sun of righteousness".

When the moon is turned to blood it is the reading of the indictment of the world for killing the moon-glory saints and is the cause of the wrath to be poured out.
The wrath is not during the great tribulation. It is poured out during the year AFTER the great tribulation. No one can imagine how bad this will be on mankind who will have earned deserved fate.

Another point about the 'Seals'.

During the 6th Seal, in Revelation 7, the angel 'from the East' tells 4 other angels to 'not hurt the Earth nor sea'.

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth,

neither the sea, nor the trees,

till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads./

WHY would 'bit hurting the Earth' be important?

It is easy to argue that if the Resurrection has NOT taken place yet, 'hurting the Earth' would be 'executing Wrath' on Believers who hadn't been Resurrected yet!

Why does it take pages and pages of cut & paste Scripture in an attempt to prove your point?

In this case (topic of rapture timing), you are correct.

This view of the Rapture is called the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church.

There is already an extensively researched book by Marv Rosenthal on the subject. It was written over 30 years ago.

It is one of the best kept secrets of rapture timing and receives very little recognition, I suspect due to it's veracity.

Do yourself a BIG favor and read this book with Bible nearby and rapture timing will never be a question in your mind.

they can be captured though........ which puts this verse in a whole different perspective.

For the simple fact that what other 'humans' say doesn't matter.

What scripture says matters.

2 peas in a pod - DENYING what Jesus said.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Luk 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

And what do you think a captured soul is, exactly, o wise one?

This is why i gave up on them, left them to their deceptions.

I came with scripture, like you, and was crucified.

I'd say...show me your scripture. They cannot! There is none.

But they can repeat their pastors empty words like parrots. Same voice. scary.

God bless my friend!

'Captured'? By WHO?

Your phrase isn't in scripture.

God led the CIA down a massive rabbit hole when they did their 'afterlife' experiments.

There's only 2 places a soul can go after a human death.

Thread: Does Enoch Explain the Jesus / Thief "Paradise" & the "Lazarus / Rich Man" Places?

you guys use scripture to prove scripture. It makes zero sense to anyone who uses their god-given brain. It is nothing more than circular logic that you place your faith and your soul in.

That's fine! It's your choice. It's not mine. There's way more than what is contained in your bible.

Lol, even your own bible says that!!!!

of course! you only follow your very limited bible. You will never get it. You have imprisoned your own soul

Well said, OP

No I haven't.

What proof do you have of your nonsense?

NONE.

Father God is the source for all things concerning the soul.

The word "soul" occurs 459 times in 432 verses in the KJV.

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The word "souls" occurs 78 times in 69 verses in the KJV.

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"The Great Tribulation" is Satan's wrath, not God's.