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US FIREARM Mental health checks? In Australia, prescription drugs, DUI, accusation of assault, all disqualify you.

 
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What's a mental health check?

Do we lock someone up in an unfamiliar environment for 3 days and interrogate them?
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No obviously you thought of the most absurd scenario..
 Quoting: Crypto Monk


So, how do we do it?


"Are you a homicidal maniac?"

"No, Sir."

"Good to go."
 Quoting: Evil_Twin


Well speaking from my own experience..whenever I had an issue I sought out medical assistance

So usually if someone goes to the doctor on their own the scenario is going to be more like this…

“Are you a homicidal maniac?”

“Yes, sir.”

.. and lets throw in another variable

Social media. Something needs to be done about red flag social media posts

There have been so many times when these kids social media posts were ignored because there is no current regulation
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yes that's true, but challenge a narrative, or criticize a democrat on social media and they'll hem you up in a matter of seconds. Funny they never seem to notice pedophelia or terroristic threats, or Antifa openly planning to burn shit tho...wonder why?
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So the actor in texas would not have popped on a mental health as he did not have any incidents on record.
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Yes. With periodic checkups.

Also increase purchase age to 21.

And mandate strict gun storage requirements.
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You might like Canada then.
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Yea you need to get that avatar off here


With all due respect.Sir..
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Read all of my posts .. i am not an extremist.. i do not represent any organization..

I am crypto Monk

The digital Robin Hood
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You may not represent any organization..but your uniform does.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83444597


My guy its an avatar and tell me one thing that I said that has made anyone look bad

I am not active duty anymore
 Quoting: Crypto Monk


Thank you for your dedication when active.

I meant no disrespect..
Was honestly looking out for you.

Active or not,there are enemies of your country,and your face is handsome and thousand yard stare full of pain...

Don't give that away..


Be safe and heal.


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Brilliant people can sound like crazy people to complete imbeciles.
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You are throwing darts at your own ass

Brilliant people might “seem” crazy .. but crazy people get diagnosed with mental disorders
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I just diagnosed you with a mental disorder. Turn your guns in now.
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Read all of my posts .. i am not an extremist.. i do not represent any organization..

I am crypto Monk

The digital Robin Hood
 Quoting: Crypto Monk


You may not represent any organization..but your uniform does.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83444597


My guy its an avatar and tell me one thing that I said that has made anyone look bad

I am not active duty anymore
 Quoting: Crypto Monk


Thank you for your dedication when active.

I meant no disrespect..
Was honestly looking out for you.

Active or not,there are enemies of your country,and your face is handsome and thousand yard stare full of pain...

Don't give that away..


Be safe and heal.


hugs
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I appreciate that
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BTW look at my avatar tell me i am not pro 2A
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Yea you need to get that avatar off here


With all due respect.Sir..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83444597


Read all of my posts .. i am not an extremist.. i do not represent any organization..

I am crypto Monk

The digital Robin Hood
 Quoting: Crypto Monk


Digital imbecile is more accurate.
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Brilliant people can sound like crazy people to complete imbeciles.
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You are throwing darts at your own ass

Brilliant people might “seem” crazy .. but crazy people get diagnosed with mental disorders
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I just diagnosed you with a mental disorder. Turn your guns in now.
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That’s not how it works. And there is no policy that allows that sort of action
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You may not represent any organization..but your uniform does.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83444597


My guy its an avatar and tell me one thing that I said that has made anyone look bad

I am not active duty anymore
 Quoting: Crypto Monk


Thank you for your dedication when active.

I meant no disrespect..
Was honestly looking out for you.

Active or not,there are enemies of your country,and your face is handsome and thousand yard stare full of pain...

Don't give that away..


Be safe and heal.


hugs
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I appreciate that
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Battle buddies come out of the blue sometimes.
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BTW look at my avatar tell me i am not pro 2A
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Yea you need to get that avatar off here


With all due respect.Sir..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83444597


Read all of my posts .. i am not an extremist.. i do not represent any organization..

I am crypto Monk

The digital Robin Hood
 Quoting: Crypto Monk


Digital imbecile is more accurate.
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If you want to call me digital imbecile, thats fine

Because when that day comes I will disappear into the sunset
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Re: US FIREARM Mental health checks? In Australia, prescription drugs, DUI, accusation of assault, all disqualify you.
So if you have taken Valium, ritinal, or any other 'mild' legal drug, that WILL DISQUALIFY YOU!..

taking Valium will disqualify someone here in Australia, as well as a heap of other 'soft' prescription drugs classed as psychoactive... slippery slope.
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that's because Australia is about slavery now.

any excuse to abrogate your rights and enslave.

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My guy its an avatar and tell me one thing that I said that has made anyone look bad

I am not active duty anymore
 Quoting: Crypto Monk


Thank you for your dedication when active.

I meant no disrespect..
Was honestly looking out for you.

Active or not,there are enemies of your country,and your face is handsome and thousand yard stare full of pain...

Don't give that away..


Be safe and heal.


hugs
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83444597


I appreciate that
 Quoting: Crypto Monk


Battle buddies come out of the blue sometimes.
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xmit
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My guy its an avatar and tell me one thing that I said that has made anyone look bad

I am not active duty anymore
 Quoting: Crypto Monk


Thank you for your dedication when active.

I meant no disrespect..
Was honestly looking out for you.

Active or not,there are enemies of your country,and your face is handsome and thousand yard stare full of pain...

Don't give that away..


Be safe and heal.


hugs
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83444597


I appreciate that
 Quoting: Crypto Monk


Battle buddies come out of the blue sometimes.
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hf
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Re: US FIREARM Mental health checks? In Australia, prescription drugs, DUI, accusation of assault, all disqualify you.
Can you imagine if they created a database of cannabis buyers and cross checked a gun data base...

Guaranteed tons of people disqualified from owning a gun.

Yet everyone pretends the government doesn’t know this info, lol.

The day is coming...
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Cannabis is legal. Federally. “Marijuana “ is illegal Federally. Using D8 and hemp derived D9. Firearms ok. Getting that card. Not ok.
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Ok let me clarify

Childhood domestic abuse

Sort of referring to the school shooter epidemic.. Assuming that all events are organic
 Quoting: Crypto Monk


We have an ignored Cluster B epidemic in the US. Childhood abuse and neglect are behavioral symptoms of a parent(s) untreated mental illness, but such behavioral symptoms are not required. Genes play a large role, too.

I've known quite a number of untreated borderline (BPD), clinical narcissistic disorder (NPD) and a few Antisocial (psychopaths and sociopaths, ASPD) on my path, and not one of them didn't have a parent who was similarly behaviorally traited.

Across the Cluster B disorders, a deficiency or a complete lack of the traits of humanity - mostly empathy, remorse and a lack of authentic emotional connection to others - are experienced due to the structural brain abnormalities and 'different' brain wiring. Pure psychopaths are also void of emotion, which is a neuro issue involving the inability of the system to process (uptake) a specific hormone called oxytocin.

Further, for specific reasons, NPD and BPD are those who are most often responsible for domestic abuse, as well as totalitarianism, because their pathology requires compliance and complete control over others (among other motivators).

Interesting stats:

Clinical NPD: 20-25% prevalence rate in the US population with a 79% heritability rate.

BPD: A conservative 6-10%, which most believe is greatly underreported, with a 69% heritability rate.

ASPD (a poorly defined classification treated like a 'catch-all): Depending on the sources, 10-20% of US population.

Conservatively, that's 36% of the population with a deficiency in empathy and authentic emotional connection to others...who do not seek treatment because they do not believe anything is wrong with them...many who also self medicate with alcohol and drugs (addicts)...who are having children.

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So if you have taken Valium, ritinal, or any other 'mild' legal drug, that WILL DISQUALIFY YOU!..

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That mental health narrative would be too easy to hijack. Mental health is subjective. The government has no business in this. The second amendment is an absolute right.
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No, it's not. Brain disorders, aka mental illness, is not subjective.

Cognitive disruptions are not subjective. Perception and thought disorders are not subjective. Not living in objective reality is not subjective. Emotional, impulse and behavioral dysregulation is not subjective. Delusions are not subjective. Psychosis is not subjective.

Brain disruptions are, indeed, not subjective.

And, I'm a firm 2A advocate.

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It's ENTIRELY subjective, which is why someone can get one diagnosis from one 'mental health professional', and another diagnosis from another 'mental health professional'.

How many fucking time have we heard licensed psychiatrists and psychologists on television calling people who supported Trump 'a danger to society', or 'racists', or any number of make believe things.

If people willingly give the government the power to determine whether or not they are 'sane', then the government will ALWAYS diagnose you as mentally unfit EVERY TIME you disagree with them.

Not going to happen.

We live in a evil shitty world with evil shitty people that do evil shitty things.

That DOES NOT mean you abandon LOGIC and begin using EMOTION to make decisions that will have dire outcomes for people that disapprove of what the government is doing.

It wILL be used as a political weapon...100% guaranteed.
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Ok let me clarify

Childhood domestic abuse

Sort of referring to the school shooter epidemic.. Assuming that all events are organic
 Quoting: Crypto Monk


We have an ignored Cluster B epidemic in the US. Childhood abuse and neglect are behavioral symptoms of a parent(s) untreated mental illness, but such behavioral symptoms are not required. Genes play a large role, too.

I've known quite a number of untreated borderline (BPD), clinical narcissistic disorder (NPD) and a few Antisocial (psychopaths and sociopaths, ASPD) on my path, and not one of them didn't have a parent who was similarly behaviorally traited.

Across the Cluster B disorders, a deficiency or a complete lack of the traits of humanity - mostly empathy, remorse and a lack of authentic emotional connection to others - are experienced due to the structural brain abnormalities and 'different' brain wiring. Pure psychopaths are also void of emotion, which is a neuro issue involving the inability of the system to process (uptake) a specific hormone called oxytocin.

Further, for specific reasons, NPD and BPD are those who are most often responsible for domestic abuse, as well as totalitarianism, because their pathology requires compliance and complete control over others (among other motivators).

Interesting stats:

Clinical NPD: 20-25% prevalence rate in the US population with a 79% heritability rate.

BPD: A conservative 6-10%, which most believe is greatly underreported, with a 69% heritability rate.

ASPD (a poorly defined classification treated like a 'catch-all): Depending on the sources, 10-20% of US population.

Conservatively, that's 36% of the population with a deficiency in empathy and authentic emotional connection to others...who do not seek treatment because they do not believe anything is wrong with them...many who also self medicate with alcohol and drugs (addicts)...who are having children.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80383054


More and more young kids are not able to connect to the hive mind

Which is not a bad thing

I am sure you are familiar with the 100th monkey experiment

We end up possibly misdiagnosing kids as antisocial or personality disorder

Only because their consciousness interacts differently

This is what autism is
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Re: US FIREARM Mental health checks? In Australia, prescription drugs, DUI, accusation of assault, all disqualify you.
Can you imagine if they created a database of cannabis buyers and cross checked a gun data base...

Guaranteed tons of people disqualified from owning a gun.

Yet everyone pretends the government doesn’t know this info, lol.

The day is coming...
 Quoting: pish


Cannabis is legal. Federally. “Marijuana “ is illegal Federally. Using D8 and hemp derived D9. Firearms ok. Getting that card. Not ok.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81833769


This complete bullshit has nothing to do with 'legal' or 'illegal'.

Any drug (legal or illegal) that can alter your thinking, can, and will, be used as an excuse to grab your guns.

Only a fool would believe the government would operate any other way.
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Re: US FIREARM Mental health checks? In Australia, prescription drugs, DUI, accusation of assault, all disqualify you.
Ok let me clarify

Childhood domestic abuse

Sort of referring to the school shooter epidemic.. Assuming that all events are organic
 Quoting: Crypto Monk


We have an ignored Cluster B epidemic in the US. Childhood abuse and neglect are behavioral symptoms of a parent(s) untreated mental illness, but such behavioral symptoms are not required. Genes play a large role, too.

I've known quite a number of untreated borderline (BPD), clinical narcissistic disorder (NPD) and a few Antisocial (psychopaths and sociopaths, ASPD) on my path, and not one of them didn't have a parent who wasn't similarly behaviorally traited.

Across the Cluster B disorders, a deficiency or a complete lack of the traits of humanity - mostly empathy, remorse and a lack of authentic emotional connection to others - are experienced due to the structural brain abnormalities and 'different' brain wiring. Pure psychopaths are also void of emotion, which is a neuro issue involving the inability of the system to process (uptake) a specific hormone called oxytocin.

Further, for specific reasons, NPD and BPD are those who are most often responsible for domestic abuse, as well as totalitarianism, because their pathology requires compliance and complete control over others (among other motivators).

Interesting stats:

Clinical NPD: 20-25% prevalence rate in the US population with a 79% heritability rate.

BPD: A conservative 6-10%, which most believe is greatly underreported, with a 69% heritability rate.

ASPD (a poorly defined classification treated like a 'catch-all): Depending on the sources, 10-20% of US population.

Conservatively, that's 36% of the population with a deficiency in empathy and authentic emotional connection to others...who do not seek treatment because they do not believe anything is wrong with them...many who also self medicate with alcohol and drugs (addicts)...who are having children.

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Correction to above ^^^: wasn't similarly behaviorally traited.

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Re: US FIREARM Mental health checks? In Australia, prescription drugs, DUI, accusation of assault, all disqualify you.
Can you imagine if they created a database of cannabis buyers and cross checked a gun data base...

Guaranteed tons of people disqualified from owning a gun.

Yet everyone pretends the government doesn’t know this info, lol.

The day is coming...
 Quoting: pish


Cannabis is legal. Federally. “Marijuana “ is illegal Federally. Using D8 and hemp derived D9. Firearms ok. Getting that card. Not ok.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81833769


This complete bullshit has nothing to do with 'legal' or 'illegal'.

Any drug (legal or illegal) that can alter your thinking, can, and will, be used as an excuse to grab your guns.

Only a fool would believe the government would operate any other way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81025618


You cant operate a vehicle while impaired..

Why didn’t anyone cry about that?

Its just common sense

Like I have been saying .. you introduce the most extreme arguments from either side and you meet in the middle

That way no one is vulnerable to a 51% attack
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Re: US FIREARM Mental health checks? In Australia, prescription drugs, DUI, accusation of assault, all disqualify you.
More and more young kids are not able to connect to the hive mind

Which is not a bad thing

I am sure you are familiar with the 100th monkey experiment

We end up possibly misdiagnosing kids as antisocial or personality disorder

Only because their consciousness interacts differently

This is what autism is
 Quoting: Crypto Monk


Kids cannot be diagnosed with "personality" disorders until age 18 due to developmental years, but they can be diagnosed with oppositional defiance disorder, which is a signal to later ASPD.

The rub is that parents are often untreated mentally ill themselves and see nothing wrong with their kids or further abuse and demand compliance from their kids or are totally focused on their own pathology and challenges such as alcohol and drug addiction or they excuse away refusing to face the issue "he's really a good kid", "she's just emotional", "s/he means well" or (insert so many variables).

But, what about the children who are traited BPD and NPD? Both disorders have two traits that should be addressed in childhood to mitigate the hardwiring in adulthood: delusions and unstable identities (sometimes in BPD an identity is completely missing).

The identity confusion with BPD often involves...wait for it...gender confusion.

If the BPD is productively treated early, so will the identity challenges and gender confusion, when present. Effective treatment for adults is DBT, which, interestingly, helps rewire the neurons and pathways.

Do we not diagnose and treat the BPD those who meet at least the main diagnostic criteria (like severe emotional dysregulation), or do we allow the children hormone blocking and "gender transition" treatments, etc.?

The complexity from parents to children and to those in adulthood is overwhelming.

Though, the complexity does not mean an epidemic impacting all of society does not exist.

Cheers, Crypto!
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More and more young kids are not able to connect to the hive mind

Which is not a bad thing

I am sure you are familiar with the 100th monkey experiment

We end up possibly misdiagnosing kids as antisocial or personality disorder

Only because their consciousness interacts differently

This is what autism is
 Quoting: Crypto Monk


Kids cannot be diagnosed with "personality" disorders until age 18 due to developmental years, but they can be diagnosed with oppositional defiance disorder, which is a signal to later ASPD.

The rub is that parents are often untreated mentally ill themselves and see nothing wrong with their kids or further abuse and demand compliance from their kids or are totally focused on their own pathology and challenges such as alcohol and drug addiction or they excuse away refusing to face the issue "he's really a good kid", "she's just emotional", "s/he means well" or (insert so many variables).

But, what about the children who are traited BPD and NPD? Both disorders have two traits that should be addressed in childhood to mitigate the hardwiring in adulthood: delusions and unstable identities (sometimes in BPD an identity is completely missing).

The identity confusion with BPD often involves...wait for it...gender confusion.

If the BPD is productively treated early, so will the identity challenges and gender confusion, when present. Effective treatment for adults is DBT, which, interestingly, helps rewire the neurons and pathways.

Do we not diagnose and treat the BPD those who meet at least the main diagnostic criteria (like severe emotional dysregulation), or do we allow the children hormone blocking and "gender transition" treatments, etc.?

The complexity from parents to children and to those in adulthood is overwhelming.

Though, the complexity does not mean an epidemic impacting all of society does not exist.

Cheers, Crypto!
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Australia gun homicides/100,000 people: 0.15

United States gun homicides/100,000 people: 4.46

Australia gun suicides/100,000 people: 0.72

United States gun suicides/100,000 people: 7.32

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

So there that.
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So if you have taken Valium, ritinal, or any other 'mild' legal drug, that WILL DISQUALIFY YOU!..

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So, every woman in the world.
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Correct. Add estrogen to the list of disqualifiers.
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Re: US FIREARM Mental health checks? In Australia, prescription drugs, DUI, accusation of assault, all disqualify you.
The standard operating procedure in the military is if someone seems to have a mental injury.. the first thing you do is disarm them.

Are you really that fucking dumb to just let mental patients walk around with weapons? Do you need to be told that it is not a good idea

This is common fucking sense
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Depends on just WHO is doing these assessments.

That is fucking common sense!

And I doubt you took the oath... just another stolen valor creep.
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