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AC repairman told me R12 or r22 for older Air conditioners is 1500.00 a bottle

 
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AC repairman told me R12 or r22 for older Air conditioners is 1500.00 a bottle
I called an ac repairman today and he advised if it was a gas issue a bottle of the refrigerent for all older models is 1500.00.

wow!!! the new refrigerant wont work in old ac's
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Thank Obama.
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I just replaced a thirty year old Trane. It developed a leak and it would take ten bottles to fill. I would still have a thirty year old AC that still could develop another leak so I got a new AC. It's cool bro, it's cool.
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I was cleaning out a commercial space and found a full tank of freon refrigerant.....sold it for $1,000 around 10yrs ago...
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I just replaced a thirty year old Trane. It developed a leak and it would take ten bottles to fill. I would still have a thirty year old AC that still could develop another leak so I got a new AC. It's cool bro, it's cool.
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So $26,000 to replace is a better deal than what should be a $300 fix?
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Also another huge problem is there is no R8 flex available anywhere.

This is now by code required everywhere.
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Re: AC repairman told me R12 or r22 for older Air conditioners is 1500.00 a bottle
I'm guessing these are the 20lb tanks. That's $75 a pound. There are many variables involved here, but that's about ~$450 min for a recharge; however, that would indicate a leak somewhere usually.


AC guy needs to grab his reclaimer and visit the junkyard. One could make a lot of money recharging off of "free"on.
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Yep, the prices are insane.

R-12
[link to www.refrigerantdepot.com (secure)]

R-22
[link to www.refrigerantdepot.com (secure)]


While R-12 AC systems stopped being produced around 1995-1996, R-22 AC systems were produced and sold up until 2019.

People could have a 5 year old AC in their home or car that now has refrigerant that costs $1500 per cylinder.

And that price is literally 85% "green" taxes.
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HFO-1234yf isn't any cheaper so i don't know why people think this is an issue for only older AC units/
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I once converted my car from R12 to 134A. Worked fine.
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Re: AC repairman told me R12 or r22 for older Air conditioners is 1500.00 a bottle
I called an ac repairman today and he advised if it was a gas issue a bottle of the refrigerent for all older models is 1500.00.

wow!!! the new refrigerant wont work in old ac's
 Quoting: Coastie Patriot


Use Propane LPG. A/C refrigerants are a scam.

Buy a set of gauges and do it yourself if you are cheap, and the system old. Same goes for automobiles.
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I once converted my car from R12 to 134A. Worked fine.
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That's what I plan on doing to my old car that used R12. R12 cooled a bit better, but I don't think it's worth the cost for a small difference.

Usually the o-rings an accumulator have to replaced to accommodate the smaller molecules of R134A, right? Is there more? I know you also have to purge and clean/flush the system.

Does this work on residential/commercial AC systems? I don't see why it wouldn't.
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I called an ac repairman today and he advised if it was a gas issue a bottle of the refrigerent for all older models is 1500.00.

wow!!! the new refrigerant wont work in old ac's
 Quoting: Coastie Patriot


He’s ripping you off. It costs anywhere from $80 - $140 per pound. An air conditioner typically takes four pounds maximum. So at the most it should only cost you $560, plus tax.

Don’t get ripped off.
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I called an ac repairman today and he advised if it was a gas issue a bottle of the refrigerent for all older models is 1500.00.

wow!!! the new refrigerant wont work in old ac's
 Quoting: Coastie Patriot


Use Propane LPG. A/C refrigerants are a scam.

Buy a set of gauges and do it yourself if you are cheap, and the system old. Same goes for automobiles.
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hesright
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does anyone really NEED air conditioning...
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That sex-change money we talkin now!
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Re: AC repairman told me R12 or r22 for older Air conditioners is 1500.00 a bottle
thanks for this info.

I have a 1997 Trane.

My situation is weird. 1960 house. 1500 sq foot ranch.
It has radiant heat. I replaced the boiler about 6 years ago. Cost 6500 bucks.

The central air was put in after the house was built. The compressor is up in the attic, and the vents are soft that run to the different rooms.

About 5 years ago, I had to have a new compressor ordered that could fit up in the attic. cost about 1200 bucks. Ever since then, about ever two years i'm out of coolant. Two years ago I paid about 400 bucks to have it refilled.

I know it's out now, but I havent' called about it. Looks like I might go without A/C this summer. Fucking Democrats.

I'll probably have to blow 7K to replace it...if I can find a new system with an attic compressor.
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Ac is for the weak
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Re: AC repairman told me R12 or r22 for older Air conditioners is 1500.00 a bottle
I called an ac repairman today and he advised if it was a gas issue a bottle of the refrigerent for all older models is 1500.00.

wow!!! the new refrigerant wont work in old ac's
 Quoting: Coastie Patriot


I own a Toyota Landcruiser, FJ62, From 1988. It still has working Air Conditioning system, which blows out flawlessly cold air when its filled up. However, being 30+ years old, It has a slight leak. After its filled by a few fluid ounces the pressure of the refrigerant causes it to slowly leak out to a point where its no longer pressurized, Sadly and then it stops blowing cold air until its refilled with an ounce or so of R12.

I am in Canada, and used to work at SSL, a HVAC Supplier. They had an old green tank of R12 sitting there, I simply drove in to the office (awhile after having quit the job.) and just asked one of the guys working who had known me, if he could fill it up with R12 for me, He did it for free.


Anyway,
I was wondering,
How much is it going to cost me if I want to repeat this process, Can I just buy a can of R12 New-Old-Stock on EBay, or are those typical a scam?
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I called an ac repairman today and he advised if it was a gas issue a bottle of the refrigerent for all older models is 1500.00.

wow!!! the new refrigerant wont work in old ac's
 Quoting: Coastie Patriot


I own a Toyota Landcruiser, FJ62, From 1988. It still has working Air Conditioning system, which blows out flawlessly cold air when its filled up. However, being 30+ years old, It has a slight leak. After its filled by a few fluid ounces the pressure of the refrigerant causes it to slowly leak out to a point where its no longer pressurized, Sadly and then it stops blowing cold air until its refilled with an ounce or so of R12.

I am in Canada, and used to work at SSL, a HVAC Supplier. They had an old green tank of R12 sitting there, I simply drove in to the office (awhile after having quit the job.) and just asked one of the guys working who had known me, if he could fill it up with R12 for me, He did it for free.


Anyway,
I was wondering,
How much is it going to cost me if I want to repeat this process, Can I just buy a can of R12 New-Old-Stock on EBay, or are those typical a scam?
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One refill lasts me about 2 years.
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I called an ac repairman today and he advised if it was a gas issue a bottle of the refrigerent for all older models is 1500.00.

wow!!! the new refrigerant wont work in old ac's
 Quoting: Coastie Patriot


replacement for R22 is R407C with a little capacity decrease. R407C sell "wholesale" for $480.00 a drum.
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does anyone really NEED air conditioning...
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Nope...thousands of years nobody had that crap.
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I called an ac repairman today and he advised if it was a gas issue a bottle of the refrigerent for all older models is 1500.00.

wow!!! the new refrigerant wont work in old ac's
 Quoting: Coastie Patriot


I own a Toyota Landcruiser, FJ62, From 1988. It still has working Air Conditioning system, which blows out flawlessly cold air when its filled up. However, being 30+ years old, It has a slight leak. After its filled by a few fluid ounces the pressure of the refrigerant causes it to slowly leak out to a point where its no longer pressurized, Sadly and then it stops blowing cold air until its refilled with an ounce or so of R12.

I am in Canada, and used to work at SSL, a HVAC Supplier. They had an old green tank of R12 sitting there, I simply drove in to the office (awhile after having quit the job.) and just asked one of the guys working who had known me, if he could fill it up with R12 for me, He did it for free.


Anyway,
I was wondering,
How much is it going to cost me if I want to repeat this process, Can I just buy a can of R12 New-Old-Stock on EBay, or are those typical a scam?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80726402


One refill lasts me about 2 years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80726402


No, its possible to buy them from people who saved some over the years.

Do you see any signs of refrigerant oil leaking? Check the compressor seals (front seal and case seals). Usually its the front seal that goes bad. Old age causes them to shrink and degrade.

Its good to keep that type of collector vehicle in factory condition. I would try to find the leak and fill with R12

If you plan on keeping the vehicle and money is the main issue... just go ahead and convert to r134a
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I called an ac repairman today and he advised if it was a gas issue a bottle of the refrigerent for all older models is 1500.00.

wow!!! the new refrigerant wont work in old ac's
 Quoting: Coastie Patriot


Used to be $35 lmfao
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Supposed cow farts is what got the first stuff ended
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Ask him about RS-44b (also goes by R453a). It's the refrigerant made to be the drop in substitute for R22 systems. It can simply be dropped in a R22 system and doesn't require any part changes or any oil change. It's recommended to suck out the existing R22 refrigerant before charging the unit up with RS-44b, but it can be mixed with existing R22 refrigerant with no problems. RS-44b is mostly made in Texas and is MADE and DESIGNED to be the replacement refrigerant for R22 systems.

What's BS is many techs will try to sell you a new system because your unit uses the "phased out R22 refrigerant" when they can simply use RS-44b instead. Since it's against the law to make or import R22 refrigerant, the current supply is finite, so they try to scare the customer into thinking there will be no refrigerant available for their R22 system. Or they will try to use the more expensive R22 refrigerant instead of the less expensive RS-44b made in Texas refrigerant.

I think RS-44b goes by RS-70 in Europe.
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I called an ac repairman today and he advised if it was a gas issue a bottle of the refrigerent for all older models is 1500.00.

wow!!! the new refrigerant wont work in old ac's
 Quoting: Coastie Patriot


That's for a 30lb jug and yes some can be converted to newer refrigerant.
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I called an ac repairman today and he advised if it was a gas issue a bottle of the refrigerent for all older models is 1500.00.

wow!!! the new refrigerant wont work in old ac's
 Quoting: Coastie Patriot


Hell 2 the NO it isn't..FAKE news.
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They make kits to retrofit for 134a. Not much to it, really.
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Yep, the prices are insane.

R-12
[link to www.refrigerantdepot.com (secure)]

R-22
[link to www.refrigerantdepot.com (secure)]


While R-12 AC systems stopped being produced around 1995-1996, R-22 AC systems were produced and sold up until 2019.

People could have a 5 year old AC in their home or car that now has refrigerant that costs $1500 per cylinder.

And that price is literally 85% "green" taxes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78551315

More like 2010 but who's keeping track? Ain't nobody installing new R22 units in the year 2019.
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Re: AC repairman told me R12 or r22 for older Air conditioners is 1500.00 a bottle
I called an ac repairman today and he advised if it was a gas issue a bottle of the refrigerent for all older models is 1500.00.

wow!!! the new refrigerant wont work in old ac's
 Quoting: Coastie Patriot


He’s ripping you off. It costs anywhere from $80 - $140 per pound. An air conditioner typically takes four pounds maximum. So at the most it should only cost you $560, plus tax.

Don’t get ripped off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 81005041


He's talking about a 30lb jug when he says $1500. AC guys don't buy individual small cans.





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