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Evidence for the Crucifixion of Jesus: The Brutal Reality of Christ's Death

 
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Evidence for the Crucifixion of Jesus: The Brutal Reality of Christ's Death
In this lecture Dr. Costa addresses the brutal facts about crucifixion and how Jesus would have suffered under this cruel form of execution.


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Repeat of some old testament prophesies of the crucifixion:






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Additional info:

Dead sea scrolls confirm psalms 22:16 says PIERCED, like a minority in the masoretic texts:
[link to dssenglishbible.com]

Zecariah 9:9 -
"Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Behold, your King is coming to you;
He is just and having salvation,
Lowly and riding on a donkey,
A colt, the foal of a donkey."

In hebr the word for salvation is YESHUA, which would also be the hebr name for Jesus.

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Timing for the death of the Messiah is hidden in Daniel 9:





A different way of counting gives 32 AD, but most agree the year was 30 AD as seen here, so acording to Daniel 9 it was one of these two years.

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Re: Evidence for the Crucifixion of Jesus: The Brutal Reality of Christ's Death
More historically accurate than the Bible:

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The Roman are known to have been brutal and cruel.

But I don't think this was any different from most other warlike peoples in those times.

We always hear about the Romans' cruelty as their history is so well known and has been vulgarized to the broad public because of their intimate connection with Jesus Christ's fate, but who really knows much about, say, Sarmatians, or even Persians when it comes to that?
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More historically accurate than the Bible:
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Says alot about you that take your facts from monty python.
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Re: Evidence for the Crucifixion of Jesus: The Brutal Reality of Christ's Death
The Roman are known to have been brutal and cruel.

But I don't think this was any different from most other warlike peoples in those times.

We always hear about the Romans' cruelty as their history is so well known and has been vulgarized to the broad public because of their intimate connection with Jesus Christ's fate, but who really knows much about, say, Sarmatians, or even Persians when it comes to that?
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The ancient Israelites viewed crucifixion as barbaric. This is originally from Persia but for their time Rome were seen as brutal and cruel to their surroundings, and this was a scare tactic.
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Additional info:

Dead sea scrolls confirm psalms 22:16 says PIERCED, like a minority in the masoretic texts:
[link to dssenglishbible.com]

Zecariah 9:9 -
"Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem!
Behold, your King is coming to you;
He is just and having salvation,
Lowly and riding on a donkey,
A colt, the foal of a donkey."

In hebr the word for salvation is YESHUA, which would also be the hebr name for Jesus.


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Not in the original Aramaic, it's Yeshu.

Shlom Lech Maryam (Hail Mary sung in Aramaic):



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Not in the original Aramaic, it's Yeshu.

Shlom Lech Maryam (Hail Mary sung in Aramaic):



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The old testament is in hebr, in hebr YESHUA means salvation, which is also the hebr name of Jesus.

"Yeshu" is what those j that reject Christ has named him, a false Jesus they scare their children with, and it means "may his name be blotted out".

Shroud of Turin was brought up in my first post, for a look into that, this has some amazing information:



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Lets also repost this, just to make it clear you cant escape this fact of a historical event, then you decide what to do with that fact:

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

"The question of the historicity of Jesus is part of the study of the historical Jesus as undertaken in the quest for the historical Jesus and the scholarly reconstructions of the life of Jesus. Virtually all scholars of antiquity accept that Jesus was a historical figure, although interpretations of a number of the events mentioned in the gospels (most notably his miracles and resurrection) vary and are a subject of debate. Standard historical criteria have aided in evaluating the historicity of the gospel narratives, and only two key events are subject to "almost universal assent", namely that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and crucified by order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate."

So Christ and his crucifixion by Pontius Pilate is literally about as much of an established fact in academia as the existance of Julius Caesar or Napoleon. You Jesus-mythers out there, why arent you questioning other historical figures like the existance of Julius Caesar or Napoleon? Christians arent claiming this, SECULAR SCHOLARS do, based on standard historical criterea.

Ofcourse they cant admit to the miracles if you are a scholar, that would be going into the supernatural and outside your scholarship, but neither can you deny the crucifixion was prophesied in the old testament centuries before it happened, as you see in my examples in my second post.

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The Roman are known to have been brutal and cruel.

But I don't think this was any different from most other warlike peoples in those times.

We always hear about the Romans' cruelty as their history is so well known and has been vulgarized to the broad public because of their intimate connection with Jesus Christ's fate, but who really knows much about, say, Sarmatians, or even Persians when it comes to that?
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The Gospels in my view..it does mention the Romans actually carryimg out the crucifixión themselves
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Lets also repost this, just to make it clear you cant escape this fact of a historical event, then you decide what to do with that fact:

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

"The question of the historicity of Jesus is part of the study of the historical Jesus as undertaken in the quest for the historical Jesus and the scholarly reconstructions of the life of Jesus. Virtually all scholars of antiquity accept that Jesus was a historical figure, although interpretations of a number of the events mentioned in the gospels (most notably his miracles and resurrection) vary and are a subject of debate. Standard historical criteria have aided in evaluating the historicity of the gospel narratives, and only two key events are subject to "almost universal assent", namely that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and crucified by order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate."

So Christ and his crucifixion by Pontius Pilate is literally about as much of an established fact in academia as the existance of Julius Caesar or Napoleon. You Jesus-mythers out there, why arent you questioning other historical figures like the existance of Julius Caesar or Napoleon? Christians arent claiming this, SECULAR SCHOLARS do, based on standard historical criterea.

Ofcourse they cant admit to the miracles if you are a scholar, that would be going into the supernatural and outside your scholarship, but neither can you deny the crucifixion was prophesied in the old testament centuries before it happened, as you see in my examples in my second post.
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What a load of BULLSHIT! There is NO evidence whatsoever that Jesus ever existed. None whatsoever! Jeez!
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The Roman are known to have been brutal and cruel.

But I don't think this was any different from most other warlike peoples in those times.

We always hear about the Romans' cruelty as their history is so well known and has been vulgarized to the broad public because of their intimate connection with Jesus Christ's fate, but who really knows much about, say, Sarmatians, or even Persians when it comes to that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73563136


The Gospels in my view..it does mention the Romans actually carryimg out the crucifixión themselves
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83812449


Typo: in my view the Gospels do NOT mention the Romans actually carrying out the crucifixion themselves
Though it does mention them certifying His death as was necesary according to Roman Law
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I am pretty sure he snuck off to present day Scotland. To live in Peace and have some Children.
The Romans allegedly Crucified him.. and the rising from the dead story was propaganda to counter the truth of his Escape to the North.

This makes more sense than a virgin birth or rising from the dead.
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The Roman are known to have been brutal and cruel.

But I don't think this was any different from most other warlike peoples in those times.

We always hear about the Romans' cruelty as their history is so well known and has been vulgarized to the broad public because of their intimate connection with Jesus Christ's fate, but who really knows much about, say, Sarmatians, or even Persians when it comes to that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73563136


The Gospels in my view..it does mention the Romans actually carryimg out the crucifixión themselves
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83812449


Typo: in my view the Gospels do NOT mention the Romans actually carrying out the crucifixion themselves
Though it does mention them certifying His death as was necesary according to Roman Law
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83812449


Matthew 27:35 -> Psalm 22:18

These were roman soldiers.
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The Roman are known to have been brutal and cruel.

But I don't think this was any different from most other warlike peoples in those times.

We always hear about the Romans' cruelty as their history is so well known and has been vulgarized to the broad public because of their intimate connection with Jesus Christ's fate, but who really knows much about, say, Sarmatians, or even Persians when it comes to that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73563136


The Gospels in my view..it does mention the Romans actually carryimg out the crucifixión themselves
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83812449


Typo: in my view the Gospels do NOT mention the Romans actually carrying out the crucifixion themselves
Though it does mention them certifying His death as was necesary according to Roman Law
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83812449


Interestingly..according to the Gospels..allegedly it was NOT Roman soldiers guarding His Tomb..when Pontius Pilate says..go and guard it yourselves..the implicatión is clear

If you need the actual gospel quotes I will post them later..
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I am pretty sure he snuck off to present day Scotland. To live in Peace and have some Children.
The Romans allegedly Crucified him.. and the rising from the dead story was propaganda to counter the truth of his Escape to the North.

This makes more sense than a virgin birth or rising from the dead.
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If you dont think it makes sense, Isaiah 53 explains why, its in my second post. Watch it.
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Lets also repost this, just to make it clear you cant escape this fact of a historical event, then you decide what to do with that fact:

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

"The question of the historicity of Jesus is part of the study of the historical Jesus as undertaken in the quest for the historical Jesus and the scholarly reconstructions of the life of Jesus. Virtually all scholars of antiquity accept that Jesus was a historical figure, although interpretations of a number of the events mentioned in the gospels (most notably his miracles and resurrection) vary and are a subject of debate. Standard historical criteria have aided in evaluating the historicity of the gospel narratives, and only two key events are subject to "almost universal assent", namely that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and crucified by order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate."

So Christ and his crucifixion by Pontius Pilate is literally about as much of an established fact in academia as the existance of Julius Caesar or Napoleon. You Jesus-mythers out there, why arent you questioning other historical figures like the existance of Julius Caesar or Napoleon? Christians arent claiming this, SECULAR SCHOLARS do, based on standard historical criterea.

Ofcourse they cant admit to the miracles if you are a scholar, that would be going into the supernatural and outside your scholarship, but neither can you deny the crucifixion was prophesied in the old testament centuries before it happened, as you see in my examples in my second post.
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What a load of BULLSHIT! There is NO evidence whatsoever that Jesus ever existed. None whatsoever! Jeez!
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The Chinese records prove that He existed.


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More historically accurate than the Bible:


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The Roman are known to have been brutal and cruel.

But I don't think this was any different from most other warlike peoples in those times.

We always hear about the Romans' cruelty as their history is so well known and has been vulgarized to the broad public because of their intimate connection with Jesus Christ's fate, but who really knows much about, say, Sarmatians, or even Persians when it comes to that?
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You are forgetting the Roman circus, aren't you? Worshipping of death and cruelty by the masses, organized on a monumental scale. The inauguration of the Coliseum alone caused the death of 10,000 animals and countless humans. Some animal species were extinct in certain areas, such as Middle East lions.

The Romans were the worst of the worst. Still are, the Empire never ended, it changed form.
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The Roman are known to have been brutal and cruel.

But I don't think this was any different from most other warlike peoples in those times.

We always hear about the Romans' cruelty as their history is so well known and has been vulgarized to the broad public because of their intimate connection with Jesus Christ's fate, but who really knows much about, say, Sarmatians, or even Persians when it comes to that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73563136


The Gospels in my view..it does mention the Romans actually carryimg out the crucifixión themselves
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83812449


Typo: in my view the Gospels do NOT mention the Romans actually carrying out the crucifixion themselves
Though it does mention them certifying His death as was necesary according to Roman Law
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83812449


Matthew 27:35 -> Psalm 22:18

These were roman soldiers.
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John 19/6

Pilate saith to them..take him you and crucify him for I find no fault in him
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The Gospels in my view..it does mention the Romans actually carryimg out the crucifixión themselves
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83812449


Typo: in my view the Gospels do NOT mention the Romans actually carrying out the crucifixion themselves
Though it does mention them certifying His death as was necesary according to Roman Law
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83812449


Matthew 27:35 -> Psalm 22:18

These were roman soldiers.
 Quoting: Just†Me


John 19/6

Pilate saith to them..take him you and crucify him for I find no fault in him
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John 19/16

Then therefore he delivered him to them to be crucified..and they took him and led him forth
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The Roman are known to have been brutal and cruel.

But I don't think this was any different from most other warlike peoples in those times.

We always hear about the Romans' cruelty as their history is so well known and has been vulgarized to the broad public because of their intimate connection with Jesus Christ's fate, but who really knows much about, say, Sarmatians, or even Persians when it comes to that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73563136


The Gospels in my view..it does mention the Romans actually carryimg out the crucifixión themselves
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83812449


Typo: in my view the Gospels do NOT mention the Romans actually carrying out the crucifixion themselves
Though it does mention them certifying His death as was necesary according to Roman Law
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83812449


Interestingly..according to the Gospels..allegedly it was NOT Roman soldiers guarding His Tomb..when Pontius Pilate says..go and guard it yourselves..the implicatión is clear

If you need the actual gospel quotes I will post them later..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83812449


Matthew 27/62.63.64 chief priests come to pilate asking:
Command therefore the sepulcre to be guarded until the third way

Matthew 27/65
Pilate saith to them:You have a guard; go guard it as you know
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The Gospels in my view..it does mention the Romans actually carryimg out the crucifixión themselves
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Typo: in my view the Gospels do NOT mention the Romans actually carrying out the crucifixion themselves
Though it does mention them certifying His death as was necesary according to Roman Law
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83812449


Interestingly..according to the Gospels..allegedly it was NOT Roman soldiers guarding His Tomb..when Pontius Pilate says..go and guard it yourselves..the implicatión is clear

If you need the actual gospel quotes I will post them later..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83812449


Matthew 27/62.63.64 chief priests come to pilate asking:
Command therefore the sepulcre to be guarded until the third day

Matthew 27/65
Pilate saith to them:You have a guard; go guard it as you know
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What a load of BULLSHIT! There is NO evidence whatsoever that Jesus ever existed. None whatsoever! Jeez!
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You couldn't be more wrong with that statement. Perhaps it's just that you haven't been told about the evidence? There's plenty at the following link.

Is There Any Evidence For Jesus Outside The Bible?

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More historically accurate than the Bible:


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This is the most disgusting vile satanic blasphemy. These people should be VERY WORRIED.
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Sorry, Bible tards! Esu Immanuel did not die on the cross but lived to be 107 years old. The Bible is the Devil's Book. Created to separate and control you ones and it appears to be working!

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