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Federal agency has moved to paper records, not accepting digital files via email
The EPA is not accepting any files via email from one particular company, that I know of. All records must be paper and sent via snail mail or shipping service.
The claim is certain companies correspondence contains trade secrets, which the EPA doesn't want to risk handling electronically, and they also don't want to risk exposing the EPA's system to viruses.

Do you think those are really their legitimate reasons?

Are they preparing for a grid down scenario?

Other possibilities?

Inquiring minds want to know!
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07/12/2022 06:52 PM
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Probably trying to slow down approval processing for permits.

The Supreme court ruled they can't legally block some of the permitting they have been.

They can however change internal policy to slow things down so that the approval takes forever.

That's my guess.
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07/12/2022 06:53 PM
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Re: Federal agency has moved to paper records, not accepting digital files via email
Well, the USPS is a highly secure and dependable operation.
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07/12/2022 07:02 PM
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Re: Federal agency has moved to paper records, not accepting digital files via email
Well, the USPS is a highly secure and dependable operation.
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the Constitution says the federal government has to communicate with us through that agency, not darpa.
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07/12/2022 07:40 PM
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Re: Federal agency has moved to paper records, not accepting digital files via email
The EPA is not accepting any files via email from one particular company, that I know of. All records must be paper and sent via snail mail or shipping service.
The claim is certain companies correspondence contains trade secrets, which the EPA doesn't want to risk handling electronically, and they also don't want to risk exposing the EPA's system to viruses.

Do you think those are really their legitimate reasons?

Are they preparing for a grid down scenario?

Other possibilities?

Inquiring minds want to know!
 Quoting: Close_with&destroy


They're afraid they'll get hacked and exposed.
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07/12/2022 07:41 PM
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Well, the USPS is a highly secure and dependable operation.
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That spies on you
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07/12/2022 07:42 PM
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This sounds like a Trump thing. This is the kind of stuff his security team was lobbying for.
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07/12/2022 07:47 PM
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CONTINUITY OF
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07/12/2022 07:54 PM
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Re: Federal agency has moved to paper records, not accepting digital files via email
It would be very helpful to know which company is sending information by mail-only, as this might indicate a number of clues.

So, OP...Which company has the EPA relagated to snail mail?
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07/12/2022 07:59 PM
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Paper format - much easier to alter, destroy, change, twist, these public records that belong to The People.

Makes me think the EPA is about to get extremely aggressive in enforcing Al Gore, and the tree hugger agenda..
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07/12/2022 08:03 PM
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chinese hackers about to be cut out of the loop.
digital is bullshit.it should all be paper records.no more falsifying records!
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07/12/2022 08:06 PM
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Re: Federal agency has moved to paper records, not accepting digital files via email
The EPA is not accepting any files via email from one particular company, that I know of. All records must be paper and sent via snail mail or shipping service.
The claim is certain companies correspondence contains trade secrets, which the EPA doesn't want to risk handling electronically, and they also don't want to risk exposing the EPA's system to viruses.

Do you think those are really their legitimate reasons?

Are they preparing for a grid down scenario?

Other possibilities?

Inquiring minds want to know!
 Quoting: Close_with&destroy


I don't use computers for any papers or transactions.

I pay by check or cash, and I get all my bank statements on paper, which I file in my records.

I refuse to go paperless.

tounge
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07/12/2022 08:16 PM
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Everybody is losing trust and faith in the Computer Revolution.
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07/12/2022 08:24 PM
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When you get an email with an attachment from some silly unknown random individual you have no idea who it is or if you even ever met the individual, do you just automatically open the attachment ?

Most likely you do not nor would you ever. So why then question an organization that has literally tens of millions of documents on their systems at risk of suffering an attack from some unhinged roundup angry fool that could cause lots of damage from a Trojan or even more complicated worm created from the tools released by Snowden ?

No instead your first thought is some silly role playing fantasy involving the “grid” going down. Depending on whatever business you have to do with the EPA, it’s true that some information they require could contain proprietary information under several scenarios and the internet is not a secure format.

And here is a little secret for ya, much of the world functioned for a very long time with much success without the internet or a “grid” like our current electrical system and I am confident that once all the preppers shoot each other or accidentally shoot themselves in their bunkers that the rest of the world would pick it all up and move forward and do it again with success
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07/12/2022 08:26 PM
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Re: Federal agency has moved to paper records, not accepting digital files via email
Probably trying to slow down approval processing for permits.

The Supreme court ruled they can't legally block some of the permitting they have been.

They can however change internal policy to slow things down so that the approval takes forever.

That's my guess.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80688661

That is a very reasonable assumption, especially after the recent SCOTUS ruling.
"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still"
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It would be very helpful to know which company is sending information by mail-only, as this might indicate a number of clues.

So, OP...Which company has the EPA relagated to snail mail?
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I can't name the company, but it is in the cannabis industry.
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07/12/2022 08:32 PM
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When you get an email with an attachment from some silly unknown random individual you have no idea who it is or if you even ever met the individual, do you just automatically open the attachment ?

Most likely you do not nor would you ever. So why then question an organization that has literally tens of millions of documents on their systems at risk of suffering an attack from some unhinged roundup angry fool that could cause lots of damage from a Trojan or even more complicated worm created from the tools released by Snowden ?

No instead your first thought is some silly role playing fantasy involving the “grid” going down. Depending on whatever business you have to do with the EPA, it’s true that some information they require could contain proprietary information under several scenarios and the internet is not a secure format.

And here is a little secret for ya, much of the world functioned for a very long time with much success without the internet or a “grid” like our current electrical system and I am confident that once all the preppers shoot each other or accidentally shoot themselves in their bunkers that the rest of the world would pick it all up and move forward and do it again with success
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74513870


Thank you very much for your enlightened input! I never thought of any of the points you brought up, I feel so much smarter now!
The EPA has accepted emails with attachments for years, it has been within the last few weeks it moved to this.
Accepting emails from a schmo with a generic email address that you don't know is one thing, however, accepting an email with attachments from a multi billion dollar a year company that you interact with on a near daily basis is a completely different scenario.
I'm also not talking about 3 or 4 documents, I'm talking about hundreds of pages that now have to be shipped in boxes.

Again, thank you for being so kind as to dispense your wisdom, which only you possess.
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07/12/2022 08:35 PM
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Re: Federal agency has moved to paper records, not accepting digital files via email
When you get an email with an attachment from some silly unknown random individual you have no idea who it is or if you even ever met the individual, do you just automatically open the attachment ?

Most likely you do not nor would you ever. So why then question an organization that has literally tens of millions of documents on their systems at risk of suffering an attack from some unhinged roundup angry fool that could cause lots of damage from a Trojan or even more complicated worm created from the tools released by Snowden ?

No instead your first thought is some silly role playing fantasy involving the “grid” going down. Depending on whatever business you have to do with the EPA, it’s true that some information they require could contain proprietary information under several scenarios and the internet is not a secure format.

And here is a little secret for ya, much of the world functioned for a very long time with much success without the internet or a “grid” like our current electrical system and I am confident that once all the preppers shoot each other or accidentally shoot themselves in their bunkers that the rest of the world would pick it all up and move forward and do it again with success
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Once all the peppers shoot each other.... This website is filled with full retard leftists now. The extreme missing logic is a classic leftist signal
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07/12/2022 08:38 PM
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The same people who allow glyphosate in your food?!

Which is completely illegal in Europe?!

That fda?

Go figure.
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Re: Federal agency has moved to paper records, not accepting digital files via email
Probably trying to slow down approval processing for permits.

The Supreme court ruled they can't legally block some of the permitting they have been.

They can however change internal policy to slow things down so that the approval takes forever.

That's my guess.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80688661

This makes sense and seems likely. TPTB seem to be intentionally creating bottlenecks in order to destroy productivity.
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07/12/2022 09:11 PM
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Everybody is losing trust and faith in the Computer Revolution.
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The federal Government should aggressively pursue the security of internet. Those that doing the hacking. They are so bold that they laugh at you. They must not ignore a single event.
The punishment must be life time when the Federal Authorities catch them. I personally provided quality information to authorities of those who has been terrorizing us. They want to do illegal things but they run RAT in your Computer and other devices, to use your system for their illegal activities without your knowledge or permission. Even today I counted
some 50 attempts on this hackers part. For how long I can be successful to protect myself. For him if he pay 30 or 40 dollars to someone who can do the job and he steal say $1000 from me. He is still ahead. I know he stole $40000 from people and things went wrong. He committed murders. But he is not afraid. He got caught twice. He is super expert in lies. Gets away.
It is not Trust anymore. We found RAT many times in our computer system. When we followed it, we could pretty much tell who is behind it. specifically when you watch their behavior.
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07/12/2022 09:21 PM
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Being officially afraid to receive a simple email is a dangerous message for the world, it's like saying: "we are so incompetent that even an email can destroy us, don't even waste resources using b0mb5."
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07/12/2022 09:58 PM
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Prepping for the next toilet paper shortage.
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Its sadd to say but the EPA && SEC are a couple of the few institutions not overrun by swamp who are still trying to fend off the green new deal && destruction of the dollar; and I still cant even speak too soon.
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07/13/2022 12:12 AM
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Re: Federal agency has moved to paper records, not accepting digital files via email
We have had the capacity to use digital signature authentication and encryption for e-mail since the 1990s.

The infrastructure is already there, however, it is purposely made difficult to use to impossible to use as secure email digital signatures are made cost prohibitive to the average home consumer. Why? The information dragnet. Can't make money on email containing gibberish passing through the gateways.
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07/13/2022 12:18 AM
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PHYSICAL records are best, and the Russians still keep everything this way in locked filing cabinets inside vaults.

Computer technology is just this experimental thing to them, as one of the few powers that can actually build it all from scratch.

Things are going to go more this way.

CD Burning is still as relevant as ever too, and the developer of the compact disk actually still alive, although 90+.
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07/13/2022 02:10 AM
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Re: Federal agency has moved to paper records, not accepting digital files via email
Probably trying to slow down approval processing for permits.

The Supreme court ruled they can't legally block some of the permitting they have been.

They can however change internal policy to slow things down so that the approval takes forever.

That's my guess.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80688661


Ding ding ding
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07/13/2022 02:44 AM
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Might they be worried about being hacked and having ask their dirty secrets become known

And losing their pensions as a result


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Re: Federal agency has moved to paper records, not accepting digital files via email
The EPA is not accepting any files via email from one particular company, that I know of. All records must be paper and sent via snail mail or shipping service.
The claim is certain companies correspondence contains trade secrets, which the EPA doesn't want to risk handling electronically, and they also don't want to risk exposing the EPA's system to viruses.

Do you think those are really their legitimate reasons?

Are they preparing for a grid down scenario?

Other possibilities?

Inquiring minds want to know!
 Quoting: Close_with&destroy


There certainly are r in sky in communicating electronically. Sounds like that company is a lot more on top of their security than say AmEx etc. I read sometime 4 or 5years ago that Russian departments had returned to the typewriters and paper for some reports letters.
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