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University Of Idaho- 4 Students Dead- Affidavit Page 60

 
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I believe these same people are setting her family up to lose not only their daughter but lose everything by publicly accusing this guy. They have already publicly stated numerous times thar LE has told them nothing and they are getting their info from Facebook. So why is Facebook allowing these rumors? They blocked the president of the United States but allow rumors for an innocent man to run freely? And yes, everyone is innocent until proven guilty under the court of law. Anyone running these rumors/lies has a bigger agenda. This is the police department said to only get the actual facts from them. These families are being set up and unfortunately k dad took the bait.
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If I was her father I would be doing the same thing. He is pissed as he should be. He also has friends in IT and has an IT background. So I think he knows more.
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You'd publicly accuse someone of murdering 4 people on national TV based on Facebook lies?
If he knew more or had proof, he would give it to the investigators. This guy is totally discrediting himself and is possibly going to get that guy hurt because there are alot of people like you that can't distinguish between truth and lies and just believe and do what you're told.
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I haven't heard him mention anyone's names. I've been following this case on several platforms from the get go.You don't know me so your assumption is just that. I have my own theory on who it is. No one is spreading rumors. He is an IT guy and has several IT friends, so I think he has a footprint of what was on his daughters phone. But ok!!
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Again you assume he has a footprint. Logically, if he did, wouldn't he give it to the police to investigate? Make sense?

I will add that just because the dad can see the data from the phone doesn't mean that the police don't have the phone. If the police have the physical phone, then they will know more than dad.
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Good Morning America
Idaho police zero in on movements of 2 victims who went to frat house before killings
EMILY SHAPIRO
Tue, December 6, 2022 at 9:08 AM·3 min read
Moscow, Idaho, police are looking for more information on the movements of University of Idaho students Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin, who were at the Sigma Chi fraternity house in the hours before they were killed along with two other Idaho students last month.

Police said the couple, both 20 years old, was believed to be at Chapin's frat house from 9 p.m. on Nov. 12 to 1:45 a.m. on Nov. 13.




[link to www.yahoo.com (secure)]
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Indeed, this is where LE has said they need information on.
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Good Morning America
Idaho police zero in on movements of 2 victims who went to frat house before killings
EMILY SHAPIRO
Tue, December 6, 2022 at 9:08 AM·3 min read
Moscow, Idaho, police are looking for more information on the movements of University of Idaho students Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin, who were at the Sigma Chi fraternity house in the hours before they were killed along with two other Idaho students last month.

Police said the couple, both 20 years old, was believed to be at Chapin's frat house from 9 p.m. on Nov. 12 to 1:45 a.m. on Nov. 13.




[link to www.yahoo.com (secure)]
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Indeed, this is where LE has said they need information on.
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Wonder why no one knows the whereabouts of these two? Yanno like the roommies?
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Today's update from Moscow


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Good Morning America
Idaho police zero in on movements of 2 victims who went to frat house before killings
EMILY SHAPIRO
Tue, December 6, 2022 at 9:08 AM·3 min read
Moscow, Idaho, police are looking for more information on the movements of University of Idaho students Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin, who were at the Sigma Chi fraternity house in the hours before they were killed along with two other Idaho students last month.

Police said the couple, both 20 years old, was believed to be at Chapin's frat house from 9 p.m. on Nov. 12 to 1:45 a.m. on Nov. 13.




[link to www.yahoo.com (secure)]
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Indeed, this is where LE has said they need information on.
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Wonder why no one knows the whereabouts of these two? Yanno like the roommies?
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Good article to read:

[link to www.insidehighered.com (secure)]
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It's the Jack who took off and is in Africa right now
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Yep the food truck hoodie creep, felt it was him all along.
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He's definitely suspicious
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NO NO NO! YOUNG WHITE DUDES FROM IDAHO GO TO AFRICA RIGHT AFTUH A QUADRUPLE HOMOCIDE LIKE...EVERY FEW DECADES OR SO. UH.
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HEY SIM!
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Good Morning America
Idaho police zero in on movements of 2 victims who went to frat house before killings
EMILY SHAPIRO
Tue, December 6, 2022 at 9:08 AM·3 min read
Moscow, Idaho, police are looking for more information on the movements of University of Idaho students Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin, who were at the Sigma Chi fraternity house in the hours before they were killed along with two other Idaho students last month.

Police said the couple, both 20 years old, was believed to be at Chapin's frat house from 9 p.m. on Nov. 12 to 1:45 a.m. on Nov. 13.




[link to www.yahoo.com (secure)]
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Indeed, this is where LE has said they need information on.
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Wonder why no one knows the whereabouts of these two? Yanno like the roommies?
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Good article to read:

[link to www.insidehighered.com (secure)]
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VERY INTERESTING..BUT 8 YRS AGO. STILL, THOSE FRATS HAVE LONG MEMORIES.
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Indeed, this is where LE has said they need information on.
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Wonder why no one knows the whereabouts of these two? Yanno like the roommies?
 Quoting: OneSweetWorld


Good article to read:

[link to www.insidehighered.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79990284


VERY INTERESTING..BUT 8 YRS AGO. STILL, THOSE FRATS HAVE LONG MEMORIES.
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Indeed, a pattern. This article is more recent:
[link to dailyiowan.com (secure)]
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Wonder why no one knows the whereabouts of these two? Yanno like the roommies?
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Good article to read:

[link to www.insidehighered.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79990284


VERY INTERESTING..BUT 8 YRS AGO. STILL, THOSE FRATS HAVE LONG MEMORIES.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82523827


Indeed, a pattern. This article is more recent:
[link to dailyiowan.com (secure)]
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And the fact that university of Iowa did not suspend sigma chi even after sigma chi international did. What did university of Iowa know? What was us so bad that sigma chi international suspended sigma chi at university of iowa? Why is LE so interested in E and X at sigma chi party that night?
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Saw on another site that that two of Showalter's friends on FB stated that he was not in Africa, fully complying with the police, and willingly submitted a DNA sample.

I don't think hoodie guy is the perp.
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Problem is that so many were cleared in hours before they could have rightfully ruled them nonsuspects, and long before any DNA results or forensic labs returned data.
TOO EARLY. LE is not doing a thorough job?
How did a retired online detective scoping out the actual crime scene find possible evidence [glove buried under snow] after 2 weeks of all those LE scouring for clues?
LE sounds incompetent or something.
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WHAT COUNTRY IN AFRICA DID THAT ONE DUDE GO TO?!?!?! FUCK! UH.
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The people in that house before they called the cops could've taken that dog and washed him of blood.
Did the law do DNA swabs from way up deep under his paws? His ears? Anything?
I still can't fathom how they slept through this and truly we do not know if they're telling the truth about what time they woke up. They could've been awake for HOURS doing damage control. The internet is full of ways to clean up crime scenes. I hope they went through their computers and phones thoroughly.

And still the fact that they waited 2 WEEKS to haul those vehicles in and process them...

But guarantee this, if it was cartel the case will go cold.
If it was South Africa Jack then someone high up is covering.
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Great video:



I say its Jack Showalter:

1. Highly proficient with hunting knives.

2. He is the hoodie guy seen stalking the girls at the food truck.

3. He fled the country and is now in Africa.
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With super rich parents and I think relatives with the district attorney of the state.
I looked up countries that don't have extradition treaties with the US and there are multiple ones in Africa but the best one I would run to would be Taiwan

They've hired some high power lawyers. He would never be able to come back. His parents are trying to figure out how to get money to him to survive on and how they could come back without being charged for some kind of crime
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Super rich parents? Why was he attending university of idaho then? Who's the high powered lawyers they hired?
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THERE R BIG ASS POWER PLAYERS IN IDAHO. POWERFUL ENOUGH TO STALL A LOCAL POLICE FORCE.
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IT GETS MOAR AN MOAR FUCKY BY THE DAY! THEY ALL MIGHT BE IN ON IT! A FUCKIN COVEN OR TWO!? THE 'FRIENDS', THE PARENTS 2!
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I am guessing you guys have noticed that E-than and X-ana - have initials matching the symbols for Sigma and Chi.
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I am guessing you guys have noticed that E-than and X-ana - have initials matching the symbols for Sigma and Chi.
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So then Maddie and Kaylee would be Mu and Kappa



and Beth and Dylan would be Beta and Delta.



There is some historical association between Sigma and Mu I think.
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I wanted to mention about the spare room in the house - six rooms - five occupied - one unoccupied on the floor Xana and Ethan were on - and the possibility of someone using the room to lie in wait - and possibly to lock up the dog.


The dog had not been in the crime scene rooms or areas - so it was either in the unoccupied room - the bathroom maybe or one of either Kaylee or Maddie's rooms - they were together in one room.


I guess if you don't want to alert people to your presence or have a dog going mad at you, you would lock it in a room - maybe befriend it first.



You could just sit there and wait and not be seen to enter for some time. I am guessing the other occupants having individual leases did not enter that room.
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Fraternities and even Sororities have always been known for extreme pressure and conformity.

Heavy drinking and drug use are the norm, and those who have medical issues so choose not to participate have long been ostracized.

All frat members from time began will if they are honest describe S&M homosexual initiation practices, extremely kinky and medically risky sex rituals, stealing as a group et al.
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I am guessing you guys have noticed that E-than and X-ana - have initials matching the symbols for Sigma and Chi.
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Yes, very creeepy
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Wonder why no one knows the whereabouts of these two? Yanno like the roommies?
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Good article to read:

[link to www.insidehighered.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79990284


VERY INTERESTING..BUT 8 YRS AGO. STILL, THOSE FRATS HAVE LONG MEMORIES.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 82523827


Indeed, a pattern. This article is more recent:
[link to dailyiowan.com (secure)]
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The last link has a photo of a sigma chi house - maybe the Iowa one - and there appears to be an iron cross symbol on the rock which also says sigma chi - and possibly the street number.


I don't understand the difference between the brotherhoods and sororities - it sounds like different houses like on Harry Potter to me. I don't know how people decide which frat or sorority they belong to.


With international networks it does make me wonder a lot - regarding things like buy-ins to a broader network - you know like - you get to higher levels by performing certain actions.


The dead coyotes deposited at the Idaho frat - then the murdered E and X; it does make me wonder what goes on - just as the police are wondering what went on there.
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HEY SIM!
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Hi Caps :)
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We know Maddie and Kaylee were attempting to contact Jack prior to 3am - and then police are saying they want cctv from 3am to 6am only - why stop at 6am - why not want to look at any after that time?

Did someone enter the home in the early hours - and flee; thereby providing evidence that they were all deceased and no one else there at that time? Doesn't add up - because opening the door of the room with the dog to check it would have possibly released the dog - unless it was the room no one goes in because it is empty.


The killer/s may have been cleaning up and changing their clothes.
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I am guessing you guys have noticed that E-than and X-ana - have initials matching the symbols for Sigma and Chi.
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Yes, very creeepy
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Even just Ethan Chapin - is Sigma - Chi - in a way.



XK - Chi-Kappa



Just thinking out loud.



All the letters have number values too.
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would put money down this is an initiation into a satanic cult

those have to commit a crime

read a lot of what is going on and has satanic cult written all over it
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Kaylee Goncalves, 21, was a member of Alpha Phi, while Xana Kernodle, 20, and Maddie Mogen, 21, were members of Pi Beta Phi.

Of 10 sororities recognized by the University of Idaho, Alpha Phi and Pi Beta Phi are the only two listed as on probation for health and safety reasons, which refers to "violations or concerns regarding risk management, alcohol/drugs, or hazing."



[link to www.foxnews.com (secure)]



So - all x3 houses frat/sorority - on probation for similar risky behaviour.


I haven't checked which sororities Bethany and Dylan were in just yet.
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[link to nypost.com (secure)]

This article mentions a vigil in Post Falls - does anyone know when that was - asking as there was a big explosion up there few nights ago.
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Kaylee Goncalves, 21, was a member of Alpha Phi, while Xana Kernodle, 20, and Maddie Mogen, 21, were members of Pi Beta Phi.

Of 10 sororities recognized by the University of Idaho, Alpha Phi and Pi Beta Phi are the only two listed as on probation for health and safety reasons, which refers to "violations or concerns regarding risk management, alcohol/drugs, or hazing."



[link to www.foxnews.com (secure)]



So - all x3 houses frat/sorority - on probation for similar risky behaviour.


I haven't checked which sororities Bethany and Dylan were in just yet.
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OK so Bethany wasn't in one of the sororities on risk management - and still unsure about Dylan:

Bethany, a member of Phi Beta Phi sorority, and Dylan, a 19-year-old from Boise, Idaho

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Lots of facts and details in this relatively short vid

Not a speculation vid, more of a rapid fire just the facts presentation.


[link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Saw on another site that that two of Showalter's friends on FB stated that he was not in Africa, fully complying with the police, and willingly submitted a DNA sample.

I don't think hoodie guy is the perp.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80869387


Problem is that so many were cleared in hours before they could have rightfully ruled them nonsuspects, and long before any DNA results or forensic labs returned data.
TOO EARLY. LE is not doing a thorough job?
How did a retired online detective scoping out the actual crime scene find possible evidence [glove buried under snow] after 2 weeks of all those LE scouring for clues?
LE sounds incompetent or something.
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Or something, like maybe they are part of the criminal group that is involved?

Some of the parents are getting pretty angry now...they don't trust the "authorities"....I wouldn't either. I always say when things don't add up, you should ALWAYS consider that the police are actually part of the criminal act in some way.
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Lots of facts and details in this relatively short vid

Not a speculation vid, more of a rapid fire just the facts presentation.


[link to youtu.be (secure)]
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He says Maddie and Kaylee grabbed a lift from the large black vehicle which pulled up - a vehicle used to get people home safe provided by the uni - he says the door bell cam which saw the vehicle - had limited view, but saw it pass toward the house - then leave in the opposite direction - so this gives me cause to wonder if someone saw them - stopped the car - collected them - then if someone exited the vehicle with them or not - is it like a vehicle that does multi-pick up multi drop? He said it isn't a taxi - as we have been told - uber - but this isn't an uber according to this video dude.


This ties in with Bethany and Dylan locking their doors around 2am in the presumption that some, other than Kaylee Maddie Xana Ethan, had arrived - I can't remember the expression or if it is verified. I read they heard some people turn up and lock their door. (singular from memory).
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