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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85107699  Austria01/13/2023 03:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are two things that stick out at me from my time in mortuary school. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80933040 1) There is ALWAYS a cause and manner of death. There is no such thing as "unexplained or unknown causes." If there is some level of doubt, a post mortem or autopsy is performed to get to the bottom of it. Autopsy means "to see with one's own eyes" or "to see for yourself." 2) My embalming teacher used to brag that he could embalm any body. It might not look good or be presentable, but he could at least get it embalmed. Once, he used a chicken egg to demonstrate to our class how formalin fixes the protein of the yolk. He literally embalmed a chicken egg. He died several years ago, but at the time, when he said he could embalm anything, he was referring to indigents that were dead and unclaimed for 30 days (these bodies were then donated to our school for embalming practice). While these bodies were refrigerated, they were in extremely poor condition for being dead for so long (even under refrigeration and if you could remove all bacteria and fungi, the body will still decompose because every cell has autolytic enzymes). We were told that if we could embalm those bodies, then "normal" cases would be a cakewalk. I seriously wonder if he was still alive today, if he'd still be able to make that claim that he can "embalm any body." BTW...I'm well aware people on here will say I'm LARPing. I don't really are if you don't believe me or not. And when a German specialist in Hamburg started doing autopsies because he didn’t trust the death certificates and came to the conclusion that every single supposed Covid victim had comorbidity quickly got canceled. |
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 User ID: 82222648 United States01/13/2023 03:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are two things that stick out at me from my time in mortuary school. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80933040 1) There is ALWAYS a cause and manner of death. There is no such thing as "unexplained or unknown causes." If there is some level of doubt, a post mortem or autopsy is performed to get to the bottom of it. Autopsy means "to see with one's own eyes" or "to see for yourself." 2) My embalming teacher used to brag that he could embalm any body. It might not look good or be presentable, but he could at least get it embalmed. Once, he used a chicken egg to demonstrate to our class how formalin fixes the protein of the yolk. He literally embalmed a chicken egg. He died several years ago, but at the time, when he said he could embalm anything, he was referring to indigents that were dead and unclaimed for 30 days (these bodies were then donated to our school for embalming practice). While these bodies were refrigerated, they were in extremely poor condition for being dead for so long (even under refrigeration and if you could remove all bacteria and fungi, the body will still decompose because every cell has autolytic enzymes). We were told that if we could embalm those bodies, then "normal" cases would be a cakewalk. I seriously wonder if he was still alive today, if he'd still be able to make that claim that he can "embalm any body." BTW...I'm well aware people on here will say I'm LARPing. I don't really are if you don't believe me or not. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80933040 United States01/13/2023 03:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. It's starting to drive me crazy that all these people are dying suddenly from "unknown causes." In fact, I think it was a question on the National Board exam...honestly, unless things have changed and I'm in an alternate timeline, there is no such thing as "unknown causes." |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 75162711 United States01/13/2023 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are two things that stick out at me from my time in mortuary school. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80933040 1) There is ALWAYS a cause and manner of death. There is no such thing as "unexplained or unknown causes." If there is some level of doubt, a post mortem or autopsy is performed to get to the bottom of it. Autopsy means "to see with one's own eyes" or "to see for yourself." 2) My embalming teacher used to brag that he could embalm any body. It might not look good or be presentable, but he could at least get it embalmed. Once, he used a chicken egg to demonstrate to our class how formalin fixes the protein of the yolk. He literally embalmed a chicken egg. He died several years ago, but at the time, when he said he could embalm anything, he was referring to indigents that were dead and unclaimed for 30 days (these bodies were then donated to our school for embalming practice). While these bodies were refrigerated, they were in extremely poor condition for being dead for so long (even under refrigeration and if you could remove all bacteria and fungi, the body will still decompose because every cell has autolytic enzymes). We were told that if we could embalm those bodies, then "normal" cases would be a cakewalk. I seriously wonder if he was still alive today, if he'd still be able to make that claim that he can "embalm any body." BTW...I'm well aware people on here will say I'm LARPing. I don't really are if you don't believe me or not. Contentless post, as is mine. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80933040 United States01/13/2023 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, have you witnessed any of these blood clot type formations in the veins of bodies you are working on? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80273384 If so, are they new in your experience? Or have you seen such things before? Yes, absolutely 100%. It all started about a year ago. I started seeing things I've never seen before. The strange thing was, I was not hearing anything about this from other local funeral directors... UNTIL August of last year. A funeral director from another funeral home locally called me and asked if I could help him with an embalming. He was having trouble. Once we got together, that's when it came out that they were seeing the same things I was seeing...it's just that no one talked about it, apparently. When I was in mortuary school, we learned that there are two possible types of thrombosis or blood clots. Ordinary red blood clots (which form when you're alive), and "chicken fat clots." I shit you not, that is the actual medical term for post mortem clots--chicken fat clots, because they look like chicken fat and are quite ordinary if a person's been dead for longer than 24 hours typically. What I and other embalmers saw were NOT chicken fat clots or ordinary red blood clots. These were something else entirely. I saw the documentaries....what those embalmers are saying is 100% true. I'm not comfortable coming out and talking about this publicly and showing my face like those other guys did. They are way braver than I am. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 81406163 United States01/13/2023 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I honestly thought legally a cause had to be determined. I mean occasionally a person might be found under circumstances where it is impossible to determine everything about it. But, usually these were past needing embalming because they had already decomposed. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78980839 United States01/13/2023 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are two things that stick out at me from my time in mortuary school. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80933040 1) There is ALWAYS a cause and manner of death. There is no such thing as "unexplained or unknown causes." If there is some level of doubt, a post mortem or autopsy is performed to get to the bottom of it. Autopsy means "to see with one's own eyes" or "to see for yourself." 2) My embalming teacher used to brag that he could embalm any body. It might not look good or be presentable, but he could at least get it embalmed. Once, he used a chicken egg to demonstrate to our class how formalin fixes the protein of the yolk. He literally embalmed a chicken egg. He died several years ago, but at the time, when he said he could embalm anything, he was referring to indigents that were dead and unclaimed for 30 days (these bodies were then donated to our school for embalming practice). While these bodies were refrigerated, they were in extremely poor condition for being dead for so long (even under refrigeration and if you could remove all bacteria and fungi, the body will still decompose because every cell has autolytic enzymes). We were told that if we could embalm those bodies, then "normal" cases would be a cakewalk. I seriously wonder if he was still alive today, if he'd still be able to make that claim that he can "embalm any body." BTW...I'm well aware people on here will say I'm LARPing. I don't really are if you don't believe me or not. You’re prob not Larping because you never finished your point. So you’re saying what? They’re hard to embalm now? |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80933040 United States01/13/2023 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'll just say this... When I first started, it was...a little out of the ordinary to see people under 80. Today, people over 80 is honestly kind of a rarity. The vast majority of people over the past two years were all in their 60s. But you can probably confirm this just by paying attention to the obit section in your newspaper. It's pretty much the case throughout the country. Then again, when I first started, our transfer gurney was totally fine. Today, we mostly use the newer heavy duty cot. For us, obese cases are now the norm, not the exception. |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80933040 United States01/13/2023 04:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are two things that stick out at me from my time in mortuary school. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80933040 1) There is ALWAYS a cause and manner of death. There is no such thing as "unexplained or unknown causes." If there is some level of doubt, a post mortem or autopsy is performed to get to the bottom of it. Autopsy means "to see with one's own eyes" or "to see for yourself." 2) My embalming teacher used to brag that he could embalm any body. It might not look good or be presentable, but he could at least get it embalmed. Once, he used a chicken egg to demonstrate to our class how formalin fixes the protein of the yolk. He literally embalmed a chicken egg. He died several years ago, but at the time, when he said he could embalm anything, he was referring to indigents that were dead and unclaimed for 30 days (these bodies were then donated to our school for embalming practice). While these bodies were refrigerated, they were in extremely poor condition for being dead for so long (even under refrigeration and if you could remove all bacteria and fungi, the body will still decompose because every cell has autolytic enzymes). We were told that if we could embalm those bodies, then "normal" cases would be a cakewalk. I seriously wonder if he was still alive today, if he'd still be able to make that claim that he can "embalm any body." BTW...I'm well aware people on here will say I'm LARPing. I don't really are if you don't believe me or not. You’re prob not Larping because you never finished your point. So you’re saying what? They’re hard to embalm now? Unusually so, yes. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80933040 United States01/13/2023 04:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why does one need to be licensed to work on dead bodies? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85099099 never understood this Don't quote me, but I think there are two states in the US where no license is required. It was partly a 19th century contrivance to protect the industry. Why do some states require a license for hairdressers and barbers? But you do need a licensee to fill out the death certificate. Plus, embalming and restorative art is an extremely complicated skill that has to be cultivated. No one except other embalmers can ever truly appreciate the work that goes into preparing the deceased (and all the things that can and do go wrong). |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85097401 United States01/13/2023 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Embalming is the process of preserving a body after death. The first step is to clean the body and remove any fluids or solid waste. The body is then washed with a disinfectant solution. Next, the body is drained of blood and replaced with a preserving fluid. blip off the net when I googled the topic. clotted blood in a body in fact will unclot at it sets. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 83760280 United States01/13/2023 04:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. It's starting to drive me crazy that all these people are dying suddenly from "unknown causes." In fact, I think it was a question on the National Board exam...honestly, unless things have changed and I'm in an alternate timeline, there is no such thing as "unknown causes." It's just that people are too chicken to say the TRUTH... "T H E V A C C I N E K I L L E D T H E M !!! |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80933040 United States01/13/2023 04:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | to the dumbos here.. blood is drained before embalming .. whether its clotted or not. OK.. enough of the carp here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85097401 blip off the net when I googled the topic. clotted blood in a body in fact will unclot at it sets. This is 1000% wrong. The blood is drained at the same time the arterial fluid is injected. Certain embalming fluid additives (or coinjectants) claim to help to dissolve clots, but I've never had any luck with those ever. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85095843  Norway01/13/2023 04:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why does one need to be licensed to work on dead bodies? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85099099 never understood this Don't quote me, but I think there are two states in the US where no license is required. It was partly a 19th century contrivance to protect the industry. Why do some states require a license for hairdressers and barbers? But you do need a licensee to fill out the death certificate. Plus, embalming and restorative art is an extremely complicated skill that has to be cultivated. No one except other embalmers can ever truly appreciate the work that goes into preparing the deceased (and all the things that can and do go wrong). What's the point? They're fucking dead? Bury or burn or compost them or whatever, asap. As soon as you give up the ghost you're nothing but a biohazard and a pile of rotting garbage. To be disposed of post haste. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 85099048 United States01/13/2023 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, have you witnessed any of these blood clot type formations in the veins of bodies you are working on? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80273384 If so, are they new in your experience? Or have you seen such things before? Yes, absolutely 100%. It all started about a year ago. I started seeing things I've never seen before. The strange thing was, I was not hearing anything about this from other local funeral directors... UNTIL August of last year. A funeral director from another funeral home locally called me and asked if I could help him with an embalming. He was having trouble. Once we got together, that's when it came out that they were seeing the same things I was seeing...it's just that no one talked about it, apparently. When I was in mortuary school, we learned that there are two possible types of thrombosis or blood clots. Ordinary red blood clots (which form when you're alive), and "chicken fat clots." I shit you not, that is the actual medical term for post mortem clots--chicken fat clots, because they look like chicken fat and are quite ordinary if a person's been dead for longer than 24 hours typically. What I and other embalmers saw were NOT chicken fat clots or ordinary red blood clots. These were something else entirely. I saw the documentaries....what those embalmers are saying is 100% true. I'm not comfortable coming out and talking about this publicly and showing my face like those other guys did. They are way braver than I am. I've read that a normal clot can be pinched and it goes back to a liquefied state, but these calamari tentacles don't do that. True? |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 80933040 United States01/13/2023 04:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why does one need to be licensed to work on dead bodies? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85099099 never understood this Don't quote me, but I think there are two states in the US where no license is required. It was partly a 19th century contrivance to protect the industry. Why do some states require a license for hairdressers and barbers? But you do need a licensee to fill out the death certificate. Plus, embalming and restorative art is an extremely complicated skill that has to be cultivated. No one except other embalmers can ever truly appreciate the work that goes into preparing the deceased (and all the things that can and do go wrong). What's the point? They're fucking dead? Bury or burn or compost them or whatever, asap. As soon as you give up the ghost you're nothing but a biohazard and a pile of rotting garbage. To be disposed of post haste. Some people, like Christians, believe in the doctrine of Resurrection of the body. That literally the physical body will come back to life when Jesus comes back. Some people believe that the body is sacred and needs to be buried in hallowed ground. The practice goes back at least as far back as the ancient Egyptians, but was only relatively recently revived in modern times after the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. Some say that a funeral is one final "gift" they can give to their loved one, or in another way, the ceremony helps to deal head on with the reality of the death and helps to bring about psychological closure. But you're right...we do far many more cremations than we do traditional funerals with embalming today. Funeral ceremonies and wakes are becoming less and less. |
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