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Anonymous Coward User ID: 85164575 United States 03/18/2023 11:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But what about the legal case against Trump? George Washington law professor Jonathan Turley called it what it is: “legally pathetic.” Jonathan Turley: "Although it may be politically popular, the case is legally pathetic. Bragg is struggling to twist state laws to effectively prosecute a federal case long ago rejected by the Justice Department against Trump over his payment of “hush money” to former stripper Stormy Daniels. In 2018 (yes, that is how long this theory has been around), I wrote how difficult such a federal case would be under existing election laws. Now, six years later, the same theory may be shoehorned into a state claim. It is extremely difficult to show that paying money to cover up an embarrassing affair was done for election purposes as opposed to an array of obvious other reasons, from protecting a celebrity’s reputation to preserving a marriage. That was demonstrated by the failed federal prosecution of former presidential candidate John Edwards on a much stronger charge of using campaign funds to cover up an affair. In this case, Trump reportedly paid Daniels $130,000 in the fall of 2016 to cut off or at least reduce any public scandal. The Southern District of New York’s U.S. Attorney’s office had no love lost for Trump, pursuing him and his associates in myriad investigations, but it ultimately rejected a prosecution based on the election law violations. It was not alone: The Federal Election Commission (FEC) chair also expressed doubts about the theory. Prosecutors working under Bragg’s predecessor, Cyrus Vance Jr., also reportedly rejected the viability of using a New York law to effectively charge a federal offense." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 85170492 United States 03/19/2023 07:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More excerpts from article: Why didn’t they bring it earlier? Because they knew that it was a tenuous case at best. They’re only pulling it out of the hat, now that 2024 is about to be upon us. As Turley notes, even Bragg himself wasn’t hot for this case when he came in, and two prosecutors quit because Bragg was refusing to go along with this. But desperation can go a long way. Turley points out that one of the prosecutors even wrote a book trying to lay out the case against Trump, which Turley said was “shocking” because it was “unprofessional and improper.” But now, Bragg ultimately appears to have caved into Democratic pressure and is going ahead with this charade. However, Turley also makes another important point when it comes to the question of disparity of treatment here. "While we still do not know the specific state charges in the anticipated indictment, the most-discussed would fall under Section 175 for falsifying business records, based on the claim that Trump used legal expenses to conceal the alleged hush-payments that were supposedly used to violate federal election laws. While some legal experts have insisted such concealment is clearly a criminal matter that must be charged, they were conspicuously silent when Hillary Clinton faced a not-dissimilar campaign-finance allegation. That was the funding of the Steele dossier, which the Clinton campaign falsely declared as a “legal expense.” The FEC fined the Clinton campaign over that false filing. Not only did her team publicly lie about it, but they also promoted the false Russia collusion claims to the FBI and the media. Yet, where is the action against Clinton or the campaign for prosecution? Strangely missing. Talk about the disparity." Turley pointed out other issues with the prosecution. "A Section 175 charge would normally be a misdemeanor. The only way to convert it into a Class E felony requires a showing that the “intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.” That other crime would appear to be the federal election violations which the Justice Department previously declined to charge. The linkage to a federal offense is critical for another reason: Bragg’s office ran out of time to prosecute this as a misdemeanor years ago; the statute of limitations is two years. Even if he shows this is a viable felony charge, the longer five-year limitation could be hard to establish. Of course, none of these legalistic problems will be relevant in the coming frenzy. It will be a case that is nothing if not entertaining, one to which you can bring your popcorn — so long as you leave your principles behind." “The season opener of ‘America’s Got Trump’ might be a guaranteed hit with its New York audience — but it should be a flop as a prosecution,” Turley declared. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 85162203 United States 03/19/2023 07:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They know what Turley articulates. The 40 % are politically motivated. https://twitter.com/_/status/1637108009057894403 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61899610 United States 03/19/2023 08:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They know what Turley articulates. The 40 % are politically motivated. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85162203 https://twitter.com/_/status/1637108009057894403 The whole crux is congress has a slush fund just to pay for this type of shit and your telling me President Trump is going to be charged for using his own money CLOWN WORLD. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 85159874 United States 03/19/2023 09:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They know what Turley articulates. The 40 % are politically motivated. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85162203 https://twitter.com/_/status/1637108009057894403 The whole crux is congress has a slush fund just to pay for this type of shit and your telling me President Trump is going to be charged for using his own money CLOWN WORLD. It's true. The Democrats are a major felony crime factory yet no one ever gets charged for anything. This Trump issue is like someone stealing a 5 cent bubble gum from the store if it is even a crime at all. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 82403362 United States 03/19/2023 09:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But what about the legal case against Trump? George Washington law professor Jonathan Turley called it what it is: “legally pathetic.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85164575 Jonathan Turley: "Although it may be politically popular, the case is legally pathetic. Bragg is struggling to twist state laws to effectively prosecute a federal case long ago rejected by the Justice Department against Trump over his payment of “hush money” to former stripper Stormy Daniels. In 2018 (yes, that is how long this theory has been around), I wrote how difficult such a federal case would be under existing election laws. Now, six years later, the same theory may be shoehorned into a state claim. It is extremely difficult to show that paying money to cover up an embarrassing affair was done for election purposes as opposed to an array of obvious other reasons, from protecting a celebrity’s reputation to preserving a marriage. That was demonstrated by the failed federal prosecution of former presidential candidate John Edwards on a much stronger charge of using campaign funds to cover up an affair. In this case, Trump reportedly paid Daniels $130,000 in the fall of 2016 to cut off or at least reduce any public scandal. The Southern District of New York’s U.S. Attorney’s office had no love lost for Trump, pursuing him and his associates in myriad investigations, but it ultimately rejected a prosecution based on the election law violations. It was not alone: The Federal Election Commission (FEC) chair also expressed doubts about the theory. Prosecutors working under Bragg’s predecessor, Cyrus Vance Jr., also reportedly rejected the viability of using a New York law to effectively charge a federal offense." Its just to make Trump look bad to the Independents but this may be the straw that broke the camels back even for them. The lengths the gooberment, and legal system is going to in order to prevent him being the victor in 2024. No, I think he will have even more support and much will come from Democrats who have had enough of the lying and cheating and blatant corruption by their party making America resemble Soviet Russia. |
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User ID: 66828859 United States 03/19/2023 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This lawfare needs to stop. These criminal Soros-sponsored DA's need to go. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85164575 Proud to be deplorable The only constant is change The winds of anger, blows out the candle of intelligence "Slowly, like moisture entering the dying tree trunk, slowly filling and rotting it, so did the world and inertia creep into his soul; it slowly filled his soul, made it heavy, made it tired, sent it to sleep" "One must find the source within one's own Self, one must possess it" |
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White heteropatriarchal Christian nationalist User ID: 46275904 United States 03/19/2023 12:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Excellent analysis by this powerful legal scholar based in Washington DC. This impending arrest and indictment is total Political persecution BS. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85170492 Briar Trump: "Please don't throw me in the indictment briar patch!" Rabid Robintette Biden fox: "Duh, nope, you're going there now!" --------------- Don't care. Still voting Trump! ---------- |
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